The Church of England in the 21st Century

[Kato]

...huh, good lord now....


What is it good for?

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[Bostonhibby]

I still haven't thought of anything.

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[Berwickhibby]

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...huh, good lord now....


What is it good for?

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Think that goes for all religious institutions

[lapsedhibee]

26 of its members sit in the House of Lords. If there was no Church of England they wouldn't be there, and the empty seats would look bad on TV. That's the only reason I can think of to keep it going.

[grunt]

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26 of its members sit in the House of Lords. If there was no Church of England they wouldn't be there, and the empty seats would look bad on TV.

You're right, it would look shameful.

[lapsedhibee]

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You're right, it would look shameful.

Fair enough if people are staying away to avoid the colour scheme.

[Bostonhibby]

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You're right, it would look shameful.

I'm guessing the day that picture was taken wasn't the one where expenses get paid out.

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[Keith_M]

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...huh, good lord now....


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Agree with the poster that said you could apply that to any religion.

Too many people living in the past and denying science/reality to live in a fantasy world

[Jack]

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Apologies if the link doesn't work. I'm surprised this hasn't had a thread of its own!

[Ozyhibby]

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Agree with the poster that said you could apply that to any religion.

Too many people living in the past and denying science/reality to live in a fantasy world

I think when you get older, living in the past can be comforting. Passing a church on a Sunday when the congregation is leaving says a lot about its direction of travel. They are older than the average bowls club by about 20 years and at least bowls clubs attract new members as people get older. The churches are dying.


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[Corstorphine Hibby]

I disagree. Whilst what you say may be true for some Christian denominations, I attend Mass every Sunday using various churches throughout Edinburgh and when I travel abroad regularly. The congregations are, generally, diverse in terms of both age ranges and ethnicity. Oh, and your chat about not attracting new members is also nonsense.

[Ozyhibby]

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I disagree. Whilst what you say may be true for some Christian denominations, I attend Mass every Sunday using various churches throughout Edinburgh and when I travel abroad regularly. The congregations are, generally, diverse in terms of both age ranges and ethnicity. Oh, and your chat about not attracting new members is also nonsense.

The ethnicity thing is interesting because Scotland is not that diverse.


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[Corstorphine Hibby]

We'll agree to disagree then. Check out the diversity we now have in most of the Scottish league team squads. I've noticed the same changes in congregations at Mass over the last 10 years or so.

[Ozyhibby]

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We'll agree to disagree then. Check out the diversity we now have in most of the Scottish league team squads. I've noticed the same changes in congregations at Mass over the last 10 years or so.

I would say football squads are a lot more diverse than Scotland as a whole?


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[Bishop Hibee]

The reality is the world is more religious than ever. It’s the ‘first world’ bubble that’s predominately atheist. Also the countries with the most ageing demographics are the most atheist ones so I’d expect religion to become more rather than less prominent world wide.

[Stairway 2 7]

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We'll agree to disagree then. Check out the diversity we now have in most of the Scottish league team squads. I've noticed the same changes in congregations at Mass over the last 10 years or so.

That's because immigrants are much more religious uk born atheism is the majority.

Church numbers have been plummeting the last 30 years and the demographics getting much older on average. Churches are closing at record rates and the Polish saved it from being more.

7% of people in Scotland regularly attend a church it was 17% 35 years ago. Numbers getting baptised halved in that time too so it will continue dropping for decades

[superfurryhibby]

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The ethnicity thing is interesting because Scotland is not that diverse.


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If you include people from European countries, like Spain and Poland? I find Edinburgh a culturally diverse place, people from all over the world here. Glasgow too.

[Stairway 2 7]

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If you include people from European countries, like Spain and Poland? I find Edinburgh a culturally diverse place, people from all over the world here. Glasgow too.

People don't usually usually separate white Caucasians when talking about diversity but maybe they should, Scotland is very white though. 93% of which 87% white British. Edinburgh more diverse 85% white and 62% white British, according to 2022 census

We've had massive immigration since then net 50k in 2023, so that will be lower

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People don't usually usually separate white Caucasians when talking about diversity but maybe they should, Scotland is very white though. 93% of which 87% white British. Edinburgh more diverse 85% white and 62% white British, according to 2022 census

We've had massive immigration since then net 50k in 2023, so that will be lower

I think diversity in Scotland and particularly Edinburgh is probably quite split on socio economic grounds. My daughter goes to school in Niddrie and her class is hugely diverse. It's a Catholic school but 2 of her best friends are Muslim, obviously Catholic schooling and the Polish go somewhat hand in hand and there is a whole range of other races and ethnicities. I'd say it's about a 50/50 split of white and not. Incidentally at that age (7) none of the kids seem to notice or if they do, they don't care. You have to wonder at what age it becomes an issue, why and where it comes from. For the opening day of the Euros they were all allowed to wear a top of their favourite national team and my daughter was keen to tell me that whilst she had Scotland, X had Turkey, Y had Poland and Z wore a Pakistan cricket top. It was just a statement of fact rather than anything ulterior behind it.

I wonder if the same diversity occurs at schools in more affluent areas. A cursory glance at the P1 pictures the EEN publish each year suggests not but maybe that's seeing what I expect to see as much as anything else. It's probably confirmation bias but when I walk around Niddrie, Craigmillar etc I see a huge diversity. When I am up visiting my parents in and around Colinton much less so. It tends to be white and older white at that.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I think diversity in Scotland and particularly Edinburgh is probably quite split on socio economic grounds. My daughter goes to school in Niddrie and her class is hugely diverse. It's a Catholic school but 2 of her best friends are Muslim, obviously Catholic schooling and the Polish go somewhat hand in hand and there is a whole range of other races and ethnicities. I'd say it's about a 50/50 split of white and not. Incidentally at that age (7) none of the kids seem to notice or if they do, they don't care. You have to wonder at what age it becomes an issue, why and where it comes from. For the opening day of the Euros they were all allowed to wear a top of their favourite national team and my daughter was keen to tell me that whilst she had Scotland, X had Turkey, Y had Poland and Z wore a Pakistan cricket top. It was just a statement of fact rather than anything ulterior behind it.

I wonder if the same diversity occurs at schools in more affluent areas. A cursory glance at the P1 pictures the EEN publish each year suggests not but maybe that's seeing what I expect to see as much as anything else. It's probably confirmation bias but when I walk around Niddrie, Craigmillar etc I see a huge diversity. When I am up visiting my parents in and around Colinton much less so. It tends to be white and older white at that.

Daughters primary class is the same 50 50 white non white. Think it's also to do with British people's birth rates plummeting whilst immigrants are still having huge families in comparison. In a few decades that will really flip the percentages. You might be glad to hear although anecdotal, my oldest had about 30 in the garden and house for her 18th and the mix was around the same. Racism just seems bizarre and from the past when I talk to her about it. Having lots of friends from diverse groups must blunt the pish from Farage et al. Probably why the more diverse the area the worse Reform do

[superfurryhibby]

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People don't usually usually separate white Caucasians when talking about diversity but maybe they should, Scotland is very white though. 93% of which 87% white British. Edinburgh more diverse 85% white and 62% white British, according to 2022 census

We've had massive immigration since then net 50k in 2023, so that will be lower

The post I replied said ethnicity and in my book ethnicity is not defined by skin colour.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The post I replied said ethnicity and in my book ethnicity is not defined by skin colour.

The census has all white Europeans as the same ethnicity and if you were a corporation it would be the same if you were wanting a diverse quota hired. I get that that could be wrong as a workplace could be diverse with lots of Europeans even if very white

[superfurryhibby]

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The census has all white Europeans as the same ethnicity and if you were a corporation it would be the same if you were wanting a diverse quota hired. I get that that could be wrong as a workplace could be diverse with lots of Europeans even if very white

I can't recall the census questions but they allow for other? An example would be Traveller/Gypsy

Just had a look.

"Several respondents stated that they found some of the existing ethnic group categories to be too broad. In particular, the "Any other White background, write in" category, "Gypsy or Irish Traveller" category and "English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish/British" category. For example, respondents stated:

"Any other White background, write in. Because it does not enable us to distinguish consistently between European backgrounds for service delivery."

[Ozyhibby]

I think the only way you think Scotland is diverse is if you have never lived anywhere else.


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[babahibs]

Leith is pretty diverse tbf

[Stairway 2 7]

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Leith is pretty diverse tbf

87% white and 86% English the main language in 2022 census, very white compared to lots of English areas I'd think

[JimBHibees]

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87% white and 86% English the main language in 2022 census, very white compared to lots of English areas I'd think

That Edinburgh or Leith

[babahibs]

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87% white and 86% English the main language in 2022 census, very white compared to lots of English areas I'd think

% yadda yadda, census blah blah.

In the real world, Leith is pretty diverse, you should maybe visit sometime.

[Keith_M]

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% yadda yadda, census blah blah.

In the real world, Leith is pretty diverse, you should maybe visit sometime.

Imagine ruining your argument with mere 'facts'.

What a nerve!

[Ozyhibby]

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Imagine ruining your argument with mere 'facts'.

What a nerve!

Alternative facts available apparently.


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