Hamas attack on Israel

[Paul1642]

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That's one of the craziest stories I've ever seen, I'd think it was unrealistic if it was in Hollywood

Couldn’t agree more. The most bizarre major news headline I can think of. Genuinely have no idea how it’s been done.

It’s like a modern version of ww2 exploding pigeons and anti tank dogs expect it’s actually worked beyond perfect.

[tamig]

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Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon also wounded, Mmm wonder why he had a Hezbollah Pager

Could have been standing beside one of them in a shop or something. I’m sure they don’t walk around wearing badges.

[tamig]

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Conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day with this.


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In what way?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Could have been standing beside one of them in a shop or something. I’m sure they don’t walk around wearing badges.

From the cctv videos I've seen of 3 attacks no one standing right next to the people were hurt, just bad groin injuries to the person with the pager on his belt.

Lebanese saying 3300 hezbollah injured with 600 critical. Must be up there with the most successful intelligence agency op ever, still can barely believe it. They must have infiltrated the factory or something

[Stairway 2 7]

Sky Arabia and Al Jazeera saying 20 gram of explosive was placed on the battery of each pager

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Could have been standing beside one of them in a shop or something. I’m sure they don’t walk around wearing badges.

jeez how so terribly unlucky if he was just standing next to a terrorist huh

[tamig]

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jeez how so terribly unlucky if he was just standing next to a terrorist huh

You believe what you want.

[Keith_M]

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jeez how so terribly unlucky if he was just standing next to a terrorist huh

Considering a 13 year old girl has died in those exact circumstances, then it's not exactly impossible.

So far, there are a reported 3,000 people injured. They can't all be terrorists.

[tamig]

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From the cctv videos I've seen of 3 attacks no one standing right next to the people were hurt, just bad groin injuries to the person with the pager on his belt.

Lebanese saying 3300 hezbollah injured with 600 critical. Must be up there with the most successful intelligence agency op ever, still can barely believe it. They must have infiltrated the factory or something

I’m prepared to give the benefit of the doubt in the example cabbageandribs was talking about. Maybe the ambassador guy was a dodgy character - but equally he could have been an innocent bystander. It all depends where the pager was when it blew up.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Sky Arabia and Al Jazeera saying 20 gram of explosive was placed on the battery of each pager

Has to be quite sophisticated. Whatever triggered the explosion did it simultaneously. Either they were all programmed to explode at the same time or they were detonated remotely, either way it's evil genius and the planning to pull something like this off is incredible.

[tamig]

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Has to be quite sophisticated. Whatever triggered the explosion did it simultaneously. Either they were all programmed to explode at the same time or they were detonated remotely, either way it's evil genius and the planning to pull something like this off is incredible.

They’re talking about an alphanumeric text message having been sent simultaneously acting as the trigger.

[The Tubs]

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Has to be quite sophisticated. Whatever triggered the explosion did it simultaneously. Either they were all programmed to explode at the same time or they were detonated remotely, either way it's evil genius and the planning to pull something like this off is incredible.

The electronics bit is probably fairly simple. The difficult bit is how they managed to get these people to carry explosives around with them.

[Hibrandenburg]

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They’re talking about an alphanumeric text message having been sent simultaneously acting as the trigger.

These pagers will have been receiving messages before the explosion, that one particular message was the one that detonated the devices takes the scam to a whole new level of sophistication.

[The Tubs]

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These pagers will have been receiving messages before the explosion, that one particular message was the one that detonated the devices takes the scam to a whole new level of sophistication.

i don't know a lot about pagers but there's probably some command to action a specific pin the would be attached to the explosive. If you have an explosive that's volatile enough but sufficiently isolated from the rest of the electronics, it should be fairly robust.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyl9048gx8t

Yet more atrocities by Israel!!

[Pretty Boy]

The video the BBC showed of the explosion in the fruit shop with young children nearby, children who were evidently terrified and screaming, was heartbreaking stuff.

All the killing in this war, indeed any war, is wrong. The issue here is that indiscriminate killing and maiming on one side is decried as terrorism whilst on the other it's condoned by western leaders (and it appears much of the population) and the collateral damage of thousands of Palestinians and now Lebanese is a price worth paying.

[Hibrandenburg]

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The video the BBC showed of the explosion in the fruit shop with young children nearby, children who were evidently terrified and screaming, was heartbreaking stuff.

All the killing in this war, indeed any war, is wrong. The issue here is that indiscriminate killing and maiming on one side is decried as terrorism whilst on the other it's condoned by western leaders (and it appears much of the population) and the collateral damage of thousand of Palestinians and now Lebanese is a price worth paying.

I couldn't help thinking about the potential collateral damage caused by this attack. Israel was obviously fine with the idea that some of these targets were near children, driving vehicles or even on planes or trains when these devices were detonated.

[Stairway 2 7]

Hezbollah announce the death of another 7 members. They say 3 civilians killed and 34 of the 37 dead so far were Hezbollah. Another another around 400 people with critical injuries.

Hezbollahs leader Hassan Nasrallah talking just now says the resistance received heavy blow, but this is the nature of war. says Hezbollah's attacks against northern #Israel have forced Israel to divert ressources away from Gaza and the West Bank.

Israeli strikes reported in Lebanon

Nasrallah speaking about the possibility that Israeli troops will enter the country to create a buffer zone: says he doesn't believe Israeli will make an invasion as they regularly make the same threat

"We wish that they enter Lebanon, What you consider a threat, we consider an opportunity"

[DaveF]

Israel all set to flatten Lebanon now. And yet, they will be armed to the hilt by Western allies.

[Ozyhibby]

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Israel all set to flatten Lebanon now. And yet, they will be armed to the hilt by Western allies.

I have a different opinion on military action v Hezbollah as the people of Gaza.
Isreal controls Gaza but Lebanon is responsible for dealing with Hezbollah. **** for the ordinary people of Lebanon.
I think eventually there will be a war between Iran and the West. It’s the only way this will ever be dealt with.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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I have a different opinion on military action v Hezbollah as the people of Gaza.
Isreal controls Gaza but Lebanon is responsible for dealing with Hezbollah. **** for the ordinary people of Lebanon.
I think eventually there will be a war between Iran and the West. It’s the only way this will ever be dealt with.


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Wouldn't last long. I think they will try to arm proxies and bottle it when it comes down to it like they did when Israel hit them. Leaders usually like their good lives and only start wars that they think they will win.

[Ozyhibby]

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Wouldn't last long. I think they will try to arm proxies and bottle it when it comes down to it like they did when Israel hit them. Leaders usually like their good lives and only start wars that they think they will win.

Tricky country to invade though. Geography favours defence.


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[DaveF]

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I have a different opinion on military action v Hezbollah as the people of Gaza.
Isreal controls Gaza but Lebanon is responsible for dealing with Hezbollah. **** for the ordinary people of Lebanon.
I think eventually there will be a war between Iran and the West. It’s the only way this will ever be dealt with.


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It's the ordinary people of Lebanon I feel for. The country has been fragile for decades but Israel won't care who it kills in pursuit of Hezbollah.

And neither will it's allies.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Tricky country to invade though. Geography favours defence.


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No one is invading it I think the stupidity of Russia thinking it's 1940 the last few years has put paid to that, although even Russia thought they would win in a week. 200 NATO f35s and HIMARS would stop anything Iran did. Although I'm sure they won't they aren't stupid, they basically armed Hamas and Hezbollah and then through them under the bus when they asked Iran to get involved. More likely oil deals with Iran than full blown war

[Ozyhibby]

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No one is invading it I think the stupidity of Russia thinking it's 1940 the last few years has put paid to that, although even Russia thought they would win in a week. 200 NATO f35s and HIMARS would stop anything Iran did. Although I'm sure they won't they aren't stupid, they basically armed Hamas and Hezbollah and then through them under the bus when they asked Iran to get involved. More likely oil deals with Iran than full blown war

I’m thinking a massive air war is most likely right enough. The problem being that regime change is difficult to achieve that way.
It’s a fragile regime as is and we don’t want to strengthen it.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Lots of reports of hezbollah fighters being attacked by Sunni and Druze people when fleeing north. You forget how much of a separated country it is and how incompetent Britain was when dividing up countries on maps without a care for sectarianism

[Stairway 2 7]

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I’m thinking a massive air war is most likely right enough. The problem being that regime change is difficult to achieve that way.
It’s a fragile regime as is and we don’t want to strengthen it.


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Yeah I agree, the leaders are hated by many. Dead kids in Iranian news would create a common enemy.

[JimBHibees]

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Lots of reports of hezbollah fighters being attacked by Sunni and Druze people when fleeing north. You forget how much of a separated country it is and how incompetent Britain was when dividing up countries on maps without a care for sectarianism

Britain has a bit of previous for that

[Ozyhibby]

Lots of reports the head of Hezbollah has been killed. Let’s hope so.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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Lots of reports the head of Hezbollah has been killed. Let’s hope so.


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Never sure about things like this.

Killing the head just reinforces the cause, no? The guy himself will be martyred, and someone else will step up.