Climate change and the impending apocalypse

[Stairway 2 7]

Council in Kent declared a green emergency in 2019. They now refuse planning to a solar farm that would power 11k homes and offset 8000 t of co2. Greens and Lib dems are against as usual.
https://x.com/Kent_Online/status/1822890850335989854

Adrian Ramsay Green MP went viral last month for opposing a new pylon project that would link a new 50gigawatt offshore wind farm to the gris

Not in my back yard

[Moulin Yarns]

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Council in Kent declared a green emergency in 2019. They now refuse planning to a solar farm that would power 11k homes and offset 8000 t of co2. Greens and Lib dems are against as usual.
https://x.com/Kent_Online/status/1822890850335989854

Adrian Ramsay Green MP went viral last month for opposing a new pylon project that would link a new 50gigawatt offshore wind farm to the gris

Not in my back yard

The msp Stephen kerr campaigned to be my mp in Angus and perthshire Glens against pylons as well.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The msp Stephen kerr campaigned to be my mp in Angus and perthshire Glens against pylons as well.

He is odious. Pretty much is constantly stirring up hatred. He never has any positive opinions on anything

[Jones28]

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Council in Kent declared a green emergency in 2019. They now refuse planning to a solar farm that would power 11k homes and offset 8000 t of co2. Greens and Lib dems are against as usual.
https://x.com/Kent_Online/status/1822890850335989854

Adrian Ramsay Green MP went viral last month for opposing a new pylon project that would link a new 50gigawatt offshore wind farm to the gris

Not in my back yard

Theres a point that it's on high-grade farmland. Less farmland = more food imports which is bad for the environment as well.

There's brownfield sites all over the country that could be used instead.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Theres a point that it's on high-grade farmland. Less farmland = more food imports which is bad for the environment as well.

There's brownfield sites all over the country that could be used instead.

Farmland is the third biggest carbon emmiter in the UK, we need to go after farming but Germany and Holland show how hard that is. 63% of the uk or 24 million acres is used for farming. WWF say we waste 9 million tons of food in the UK or 8% of all farmed food, we'd be fine without this plot.

There is a climate emergency not a food emergency in the UK.

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Theres a point that it's on high-grade farmland. Less farmland = more food imports which is bad for the environment as well.

There's brownfield sites all over the country that could be used instead.

You're right. Reliance on imported food is short termism and will be seen as folly by future generations.

[Jones28]

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Farmland is the third biggest carbon emmiter in the UK, we need to go after farming but Germany and Holland show how hard that is. 63% of the uk or 24 million acres is used for farming. WWF say we waste 9 million tons of food in the UK or 8% of all farmed food, we'd be fine without this plot.

There is a climate emergency not a food emergency in the UK.

Yes, we would be. But then it happens again and again and again and before you know it there's hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland dedicated to solar panels. Not to mention new housing developments that are literally everywhere. Farmland is being eroded constantly.

Farmland and agriculture is being eroded and legislated against growing food, but no one ever mentions the amount of carbon storage in farmland.

"Going after farming" - how exactly? What way would you suggest going after people that rear livestock and grow food?

This video explains things better than I could, it was made in relation to the farming documentary on BBC a couple of years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3X-_Bqs_0k

It won't take a huge amount to create a food emergency, we are already net importers of food. Take away more food production and we are then importing MORE food. Where does it go from there?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Yes, we would be. But then it happens again and again and again and before you know it there's hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland dedicated to solar panels. Not to mention new housing developments that are literally everywhere. Farmland is being eroded constantly.

Farmland and agriculture is being eroded and legislated against growing food, but no one ever mentions the amount of carbon storage in farmland.

"Going after farming" - how exactly? What way would you suggest going after people that rear livestock and grow food?

This video explains things better than I could, it was made in relation to the farming documentary on BBC a couple of years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3X-_Bqs_0k

It won't take a huge amount to create a food emergency, we are already net importers of food. Take away more food production and we are then importing MORE food. Where does it go from there?

We import food mostly through choice, both in what we eat like rice or tomatoes and price like said cheap tomatoes from Holland. We should eat more locally and eat less meat.

We like all nations should be cutting CO2 from farming, the Dutch, Germans and Belgians had riots when they wanted to cut the Co2 farms produced by example using fertilisers. 140,000 km2 is farmed in the uk 230km2 is used for solar, it is ridiculous to say its causing a great impact on farming. There is 5 times more land used as Golf courses than used for solar in the UK and 2 times more land used as airports

Climate change is the biggest danger facing the world but no one actually really wants to do anything about it

[Jones28]

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We import food mostly through choice, both in what we eat like rice or tomatoes and price like said cheap tomatoes from Holland. We should eat more locally and eat less meat.

We like all nations should be cutting CO2 from farming, the Dutch, Germans and Belgians had riots when they wanted to cut the Co2 farms produced by example using fertilisers. 140,000 km2 is farmed in the uk 230km2 is used for solar, it is ridiculous to say its causing a great impact on farming. There is 5 times more land used as Golf courses than used for solar in the UK and 2 times more land used as airports

Climate change is the biggest danger facing the world but no one actually really wants to do anything about it

I want to stop climate change, I've put solar panels on my roof and we are growing some of our own food in our garden.

Why is putting solar panels on brownfield sites such an awful idea instead of using farmland?

I didn't say it is causing an impact yet, but as the climate changes and the demand for energy doesn't change more farmland will be put up for solar panel usage and more food gets imported.

You've not said how farming needs to be "gone after", I'm curious as to how you want this to happen.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I want to stop climate change, I've put solar panels on my roof and we are growing some of our own food in our garden.

Why is putting solar panels on brownfield sites such an awful idea instead of using farmland?

I didn't say it is causing an impact yet, but as the climate changes and the demand for energy doesn't change more farmland will be put up for solar panel usage and more food gets imported.

You've not said how farming needs to be "gone after", I'm curious as to how you want this to happen.

Same way as Germany and Holland were by cutting nitrogen usage, unfortunately over there right wing nutters latched onto it and stirred riots, they are good at that. Agriculture is actually our second biggest biggest producer of co2 and our biggest in nitrous oxide and methane. Only transport beats it, we can cut the co2 there by the phasing out of petrol cars. We need to cut emissions from farming if we can.

70% of our land is farmland and less than 0.1% is solar. Seeing as 9% of farmed food is wasted solar won't see us harm our food security. 67% of adults are overweight or obese in Scotland, we could do with cutting down anyway

[Jones28]

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Same way as Germany and Holland were by cutting nitrogen usage, unfortunately over there right wing nutters latched onto it and stirred riots, they are good at that. Agriculture is actually our second biggest biggest producer of co2 and our biggest in nitrous oxide and methane. Only transport beats it, we can cut the co2 there by the phasing out of petrol cars. We need to cut emissions from farming if we can.

70% of our land is farmland and less than 0.1% is solar. Seeing as 9% of farmed food is wasted solar won't see us harm our food security. 67% of adults are overweight or obese in Scotland, we could do with cutting down anyway

Cutting emissions from farming means less farming, thats pretty much the long and short of it. You need big machines that run on diesel to combine crops and harvest grass. The technology isn't there yet to replace them with renewable sources.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...lease-2023.pdf

Wondering where your figures are coming from, I've only found reports to have agriculture at around the 4th or 5th biggest emitter.

Theres an interesting video from New Zealand here with regards to Methane, and how it doesn't really work in the context of climate change.

There's some bias, of course, but it paints a picture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOJdz_LgDBE

[Moulin Yarns]

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Same way as Germany and Holland were by cutting nitrogen usage, unfortunately over there right wing nutters latched onto it and stirred riots, they are good at that. Agriculture is actually our second biggest biggest producer of co2 and our biggest in nitrous oxide and methane. Only transport beats it, we can cut the co2 there by the phasing out of petrol cars. We need to cut emissions from farming if we can.

70% of our land is farmland and less than 0.1% is solar. Seeing as 9% of farmed food is wasted solar won't see us harm our food security. 67% of adults are overweight or obese in Scotland, we could do with cutting down anyway

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41901294

[Stairway 2 7]

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Was reading England's numbers, Scotland has an unreal amount of natural forest, tremendous place to live

[Stairway 2 7]

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Cutting emissions from farming means less farming, thats pretty much the long and short of it. You need big machines that run on diesel to combine crops and harvest grass. The technology isn't there yet to replace them with renewable sources.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...lease-2023.pdf

Wondering where your figures are coming from, I've only found reports to have agriculture at around the 4th or 5th biggest emitter.

Theres an interesting video from New Zealand here with regards to Methane, and how it doesn't really work in the context of climate change.

There's some bias, of course, but it paints a picture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOJdz_LgDBE

Scottish Government figures 1990-2021 agricultural is at second biggest emmiter. When 9% of farmed food is wasted we really should have more campaigns on it.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-greenhouse-gas-statistics-2021/pages/3/

Also as I said roughly 140,000 square kilometres are farmed in the uk. Solar takes up 230 squared kilometres, 5 times less than golf courses. We could quadruple the solar space and it would barely move the dial on our farming

We need multiple different ideas to get net zero and we're actually not far away

[Jones28]

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Scottish Government figures 1990-2021 agricultural is at second biggest emmiter. When 9% of farmed food is wasted we really should have more campaigns on it.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-greenhouse-gas-statistics-2021/pages/3/

Also as I said roughly 140,000 square kilometres are farmed in the uk. Solar takes up 230 squared kilometres, 5 times less than golf courses. We could quadruple the solar space and it would barely move the dial on our farming

We need multiple different ideas to get net zero and we're actually not far away

I don’t disagree with your good wastage point but you can’t pin that on farming and say it’s agricultures fault.

I do disagree with solar panels using farmland when there are thousands of other sites they could go on.

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The msp Stephen kerr campaigned to be my mp in Angus and perthshire Glens against pylons as well.

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He is odious. Pretty much is constantly stirring up hatred. He never has any positive opinions on anything

The sort of politician who should have no place in Scotland.

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Cutting emissions from farming means less farming, thats pretty much the long and short of it. You need big machines that run on diesel to combine crops and harvest grass. The technology isn't there yet to replace them with renewable sources.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...lease-2023.pdf

Wondering where your figures are coming from, I've only found reports to have agriculture at around the 4th or 5th biggest emitter.

Theres an interesting video from New Zealand here with regards to Methane, and how it doesn't really work in the context of climate change.

There's some bias, of course, but it paints a picture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOJdz_LgDBE

Not the long and short of it at all.

You can cut emissions by reducing them in the inputs and by more efficient methods.

One such example of cutting emissions from inputs is in fertiliser production. A good example of how that may done is what these guys are up to: https://www.atomeplc.com

[Jones28]

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Not the long and short of it at all.

You can cut emissions by reducing them in the inputs and by more efficient methods.

One such example of cutting emissions from inputs is in fertiliser production. A good example of how that may done is what these guys are up to: https://www.atomeplc.com

That great, but it's very much down the line technology.

Agriculture is doing lots at the moment with regenerative farming at the forefront, but the bottom line is that food needs to be produced.

[superfurryhibby]

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That great, but it's very much down the line technology.

Agriculture is doing lots at the moment with regenerative farming at the forefront, but the bottom line is that food needs to be produced.

The additional bottom line is that over reliance on imported food is not a green way to manage our consumption. It's particularly stupid when it's coming from thousands of miles away on massive cargo ships.

With the probability of increased pressure on water resources and growing food, it's folly to turn over good agricultural land for development.

The future will be more about self sufficiency and local solutions. We are blessed with adequate water and will find ways to grow what we need. The current focus on imported food is going to end in the not so distant future. I'm just back from Spain, the impact of water shortages is a real concern in rural food producing areas, it's driving costs up for everyone and creating even more hardship in an economy much less buoyant than our own.

[Moulin Yarns]

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The region that generates 100% renewable energy 99% of the time pays the most!!! And why is energy price dictated by gas prices even though gas is about 10% of the UK generation???

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The region that generates 100% renewable energy 99% of the time pays the most!!! And why is energy price dictated by gas prices even though gas is about 10% of the UK generation???

It’s our punishment for allowing all those windmills while people in England don’t have to put up with them. Mugs.


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And why is energy price dictated by gas prices even though gas is about 10% of the UK generation???

I'm sure this has been discussed before on this thread or the energy prices one, but it's because the energy market works on marginal pricing – the price reflects the cost of the most expensive unit of energy needed to meet demand at any given time, and that is usually gas.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...-so-expensive/

It doesn't have to be this way – various renewable energy suppliers have campaigned for a while to change it, although I don't know exactly what the proposed alternatives look like. The end of the article linked above mentions an ongoing government consultation about separating the renewable energy market, but I won't hold my breath.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The region that generates 100% renewable energy 99% of the time pays the most!!! And why is energy price dictated by gas prices even though gas is about 10% of the UK generation???

We really don't generate 99% of our energy usage 99% of the time unfortunately.

Regardless this must be national put old pictures up day, can usually trust Facebook posts too. That's old data. From the very website quoted in the pic you can check it live. Southern Scotland is cheaper than loads of areas, Northern cheaper than some like north Wales and southern England. Thankfully it's now a lot cheaper than that pic per kw

https://powercompare.co.uk/energy/electricity/

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We really don't generate 99% of our energy usage 99% of the time unfortunately.

Regardless this must be national put old pictures up day, can usually trust Facebook posts too. That's old data. From the very website quoted in the pic you can check it live. Southern Scotland is cheaper than loads of areas, Northern cheaper than some like north Wales and southern England. Thankfully it's now a lot cheaper than that pic per kw

https://powercompare.co.uk/energy/electricity/

The region that generates 100% renewable energy is the north of Scotland. https://electricityproduction.uk/in/north-scotland/

If we get rid of Torness then the proportion generated by renewable in south Scotland would be higher

https://electricityproduction.uk/in/south-scotland/

Even looking at Scotland as a whole renewable is 90%

https://electricityproduction.uk/in/scotland/

Thank goodness all the energy I use is from renewable sources.

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The region that generates 100% renewable energy is the north of Scotland. https://electricityproduction.uk/in/north-scotland/

If we get rid of Torness then the proportion generated by renewable in south Scotland would be higher

https://electricityproduction.uk/in/south-scotland/

Even looking at Scotland as a whole renewable is 90%

https://electricityproduction.uk/in/scotland/

Thank goodness all the energy I use is from renewable sources.

Yeah we've been over this on here a few dozen times but to be fair a few SNP ministers have said the same before getting pulled up for misleading parliament.

Scotland produces the equivalent of 100% of the electricity we use from renewables. Unfortunately we also have to use gas and nuclear as sometimes it isn't blowing a gale like now or there is no sun. We sell quite a lot of our renewables when we have to much and other times we have to rely heavily on gas. You said 100% renewable 99% of the time.

Here's the most linked article, since this article was written it has gone up to 63.1% of all electricity generated in Scotland from renewable sources, 83.6% was classed as low carbon and 14.5% was from fossil fuels. If Torness goes that 20% of nuclear will generally go to gas as its a back up source, see Germany and their co2 rises

https://fullfact.org/environment/scotland-renewable-energy/
What was claimed
Just short of 100% of all the electricity Scotland uses is from renewable sources.

Our verdict
Scotland produces renewable electricity equivalent to its annual consumption, but some of this is exported, meaning it uses significant amounts of non-renewable electricity as well. In 2020, 56% of the electricity consumed in Scotland came from renewable sources.

[Pretty Boy]

Something of a historic milestone today as the UKs last coal fired power station ceases operation:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y35qz73n8o

[Stairway 2 7]

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Something of a historic milestone today as the UKs last coal fired power station ceases operation:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y35qz73n8o

Uk ditching coal was fantastic and something the government's should be applauded for. It's pretty much the sole reason we dropped our level of CO2 faster than other g10 nations. We're on top of a mountain of coal and it's good that it's staying there rather than being burned. Coal was 45% of our energy 25 years ago!

We're now producing the lowest amount of co2 since 1879. Still got a long way to go but confident we'll get net zero in the next few decades. Next should be aiming for net negative, since we helped knacker the planet for hundreds of years

[Ozyhibby]

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Uk ditching coal was fantastic and something the government's should be applauded for. It's pretty much the sole reason we dropped our level of CO2 faster than other g10 nations. We're on top of a mountain of coal and it's good that it's staying there rather than being burned. Coal was 45% of our energy 25 years ago!

We're now producing the lowest amount of co2 since 1879. Still got a long way to go but confident we'll get net zero in the next few decades. Next should be aiming for net negative, since we helped knacker the planet for hundreds of years

We have also de-industrialised as well. A lot of our emissions happen abroad on our behalf.


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We have also de-industrialised as well. A lot of our emissions happen abroad on our behalf.


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We're still at it. https://x.com/ITVWales/status/1840369036271469043

Mixed emotions with this one.

[Stairway 2 7]

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We have also de-industrialised as well. A lot of our emissions happen abroad on our behalf.


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So have the other nations though and when you look at the graph it our outsourcing doesn't match our deindustrialisation. We do outsource but we actually actually manufacture 2% of the world's goods whilst being 0.85% of the world's population

The biggest jump has been in the last 18 years when our deindustrialisation has been flat,it was already gone to the service sector post millennium. By far the biggest factor is the switching from coal being our biggest source of power to renewables. Hopefully there is jobs created in the area of the pit that is closing