2024-25 season non-Hibs games thread

[Pagan Hibernia]

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I just don’t get why people get so annoyed if you disagree with them on who the best was. It’s not an actual competition, it’s just opinions.

Nobody gets so angry when someone has a different best film or best song, but dare to say Ronaldo is the best and folk lose their **** 😂

Indeed, the fanboys of players who throw wee tantrums when someone dares to offer a different opinion, or god forbid praises a different player, are a cringey embarrassment to modern football.

For what it's worth, no player has excited me like Maradona. Does that mean I write off Messi's achievements (or Ronaldo's for that matter)?. Of course not. I never saw Pele other than some clips on YouTube. So I can't comment on him or others like Cruyff, Best, Eusebio, Di Stefano etc. And as others have mentioned, it only ever seems to be attacking players who are mentioned in these debates.

Diego is my favourite ever footballer but I can still appreciate others and their astonishing achievements and statistics and the fact that many many people prefer them. Different players in different eras. That's it.

[Smartie]

Scotland and England are in kind of similar situations when it comes to their managers... both have admirable records at getting as far as they have in recent years, both are particularly negative, and huge questions should be asked as to whether or not they're getting as much as possible out of the squads at their disposal.

Re England and arrogance - if I had a squad of players with that level of ability I'd be pretty bloody arrogant, I'd be expecting to win the tournament and expecting to win it playing well. It's a very vintage English problem though - struggling to accommodate all the best players into a cohesive team and massive loyalty to certain players who may no longer be the best option in their position. Some of the more peripheral players in the squad look to be more likely to fit into a strong, attacking team than some of the starters.

Scotland have many weak positions and a couple of strong ones whereas England - for such a strong squad overall - look to have a couple of real Achilles heels that they're yet to find an adequate solution for. That said, once more they're a bawhair off winning stuff so they're not far away.

A bit like Hibs and Jack Ross, they've got a dilemma - do they show loyalty to the guy who has a track record of getting them so close in the hope he just manages to push them that little bit further or do they gamble on a different approach? Tough one.

[ancient hibee]

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I'm responding to the post claiming '30 million England fans switched on their TVs arrogantly assuming they'd win'.

Like Marinello I just don't see that from present day England fans, at least not any I know and, as you suggest, I think it's really only a minority of Scots who try to cling on to that.

You couldn't really find a less arrogant manager than Southgate despite the fact he must (statistically) be England's most successful boss. Maybe he could have done even better but successive Euros finals is good going. The 'he can't beat better teams/gets lucky draws' stuff doesn't really wash. There are only a handful of better sides than England so he's hardly likely to be drawn against them every round. You can only beat what's in front of you and he does that with impressive consistency. Suspect he'll bow out now tho.

Anyone who remembers Argentina 78 will know true hubris. Yes we were (on paper) a decent side but Ally Macleod claiming we were going to win the World Cup was only setting us up for a fall.

1978. I knew it was all over when we had our victory parade before we set off. Ally was too busy advertising carpets to do any planning.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think if England are wise they'd stick with Southgate for next tournament . Much the same as I think Scotland should stick with Clarke .

Potter is favourite for the England Job and I've seen quite a few had mentioned they'd like Mcinnes for the Scotland job .

My question is... Are either of these any better than they already have ? 🤔

[ancient hibee]

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I think if England are wise they'd stick with Southgate for next tournament . Much the same as I think Scotland should stick with Clarke .

Potter is favourite for the England Job and I've seen quite a few had mentioned they'd like Mcinnes for the Scotland job .

My question is... Are either of these any better than they already have ? 🤔

Of course Southgate may not want to stick with them any longer. Who could blame him-the pressure must be enormous.

[Donegal Hibby]

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Of course Southgate may not want to stick with them any longer. Who could blame him-the pressure must be enormous.

Yeah , that is a big factor alright . Has to be one of ( if not thee ) biggest pressure jobs a manger could be in .

[Betty Boop]

Southgate was the highest paid manager at the Euros.

[Lago]

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Scotland and England are in kind of similar situations when it comes to their managers... both have admirable records at getting as far as they have in recent years, both are particularly negative, and huge questions should be asked as to whether or not they're getting as much as possible out of the squads at their disposal.

Re England and arrogance - if I had a squad of players with that level of ability I'd be pretty bloody arrogant, I'd be expecting to win the tournament and expecting to win it playing well. It's a very vintage English problem though - struggling to accommodate all the best players into a cohesive team and massive loyalty to certain players who may no longer be the best option in their position. Some of the more peripheral players in the squad look to be more likely to fit into a strong, attacking team than some of the starters.

Scotland have many weak positions and a couple of strong ones whereas England - for such a strong squad overall - look to have a couple of real Achilles heels that they're yet to find an adequate solution for. That said, once more they're a bawhair off winning stuff so they're not far away.

A bit like Hibs and Jack Ross, they've got a dilemma - do they show loyalty to the guy who has a track record of getting them so close in the hope he just manages to push them that little bit further or do they gamble on a different approach? Tough one.

I can't see any similarity between Scotland and England mangers, one had a poor set of results leading up to the tournament and then had nothing less than a disastrous campaign, England I would say reaching the final could be considered success.

[pollution]

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1978. I knew it was all over when we had our victory parade before we set off. Ally was too busy advertising carpets to do any planning.

As I recall, the Ally McLeod confidence and bluster was all tongue in cheek. No one really expected us to win.

[Dmas]

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Yeah , that is a big factor alright . Has to be one of ( if not thee ) biggest pressure jobs a manger could be in .

Not having that he’s off more than he’s on and majority of the squad picks itself, he’s played guys who where struggling all the way through the tournament, took 1 injured left back when he’s had 26 slots to fill, took a handful of centre mids and played a RB there first 2 games, any good manager wins that for England imo they have an incredible team on paper and probably should be celebrating retaining the tournament rather than messing up for the 2nd time

[Since90+2]

I think Messi is the greatest ever, his longevity and the things he's won for me means it can't be anyone else.

I do think there is an argument that Ronaldo however, at his absolute peak, around 2011-2013 at Madrid was possibly the best ever player.

[He's here!]

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As I recall, the Ally McLeod confidence and bluster was all tongue in cheek. No one really expected us to win.

Admittedly I was very young at the time but my memory is very much of being led to believe we were going there to win it. And on paper we still had a strong squad, perhaps a little past their best in some cases. I'd say there was widespread shock at how badly beaten we got by Peru in the opening game and the Iran game was excruciatingly poor.

Having read and watched more about it since then, it's clear we were woefully underprepared when it came to knowledge of our opponents and the accommodation/training facilities etc were a shambles. Willie Johnston getting sent home for a failed drugs test just compounded the whole sorry saga.

[tamig]

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Admittedly I was very young at the time but my memory is very much of being led to believe we were going there to win it. And on paper we still had a strong squad, perhaps a little past their best in some cases. I'd say there was widespread shock at how badly beaten we got by Peru in the opening game and the Iran game was excruciatingly poor.

Having read and watched more about it since then, it's clear we were woefully underprepared when it came to knowledge of our opponents and the accommodation/training facilities etc were a shambles. Willie Johnston getting sent home for a failed drugs test just compounded the whole sorry saga.

Losing Gordon McQueen for the tournament was also a huge blow. That was a very capable squad we had then and we should undoubtedly have done so much better - even without big Gordon.

[eastender1]

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As I recall, the Ally McLeod confidence and bluster was all tongue in cheek. No one really expected us to win.

I wish someone had told the 13 year old me that. Listening to the Scottish press, I was convinced we were getting to the semi-finals at least :)

[MWHIBBIES]

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I think Messi is the greatest ever, his longevity and the things he's won for me means it can't be anyone else.

I do think there is an argument that Ronaldo however, at his absolute peak, around 2011-2013 at Madrid was possibly the best ever player.

Ronaldo is really the only other one in the argument. Although 2012 Messi scored 91 goals, so I think he's got him that year.

[Callum_62]

Dundee to play both premier cup home matches at Glebe park (Brechin City) to protect the Dens Park pitch

I foresee more shambles ahead

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[alhibby]

Watching Rosenberg v Man U, Will Fish playing for Utd

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[Saint Hibee]

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I think if England are wise they'd stick with Southgate for next tournament . Much the same as I think Scotland should stick with Clarke .

Potter is favourite for the England Job and I've seen quite a few had mentioned they'd like Mcinnes for the Scotland job .

My question is... Are either of these any better than they already have ? 🤔

That’ll be a big step up for Craig Levein.

[TrinityHFC]

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I think Messi is the greatest ever, his longevity and the things he's won for me means it can't be anyone else.

I do think there is an argument that Ronaldo however, at his absolute peak, around 2011-2013 at Madrid was possibly the best ever player.

Pele had won 2 world cups by 21 when that really was the pinnacle. Different time and a different emphasis on the various competitions but don’t think we can say it can’t be anyone else.

[Callum_62]

I bet Big Sam voted leave

Stupid comments on SSN

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[ekhibee]

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Pele had won 2 world cups by 21 when that really was the pinnacle. Different time and a different emphasis on the various competitions but don’t think we can say it can’t be anyone else.

This.

[Since90+2]

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Pele had won 2 world cups by 21 when that really was the pinnacle. Different time and a different emphasis on the various competitions but don’t think we can say it can’t be anyone else.

Of course.

Anyone can be free to think whoever they want, but in my opinion the longevity and what he's won means I can't see it being anyone but Lionel.

[McD]

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Of course.

Anyone can be free to think whoever they want, but in my opinion the longevity and what he's won means I can't see it being anyone but Lionel.

There’s arguments to and for almost every player.

Pele won 3 world cups, but played in a poor league. He scored an incredible amount of goals, and played in an era where he could be virtually maimed before a free kick was given, effectively kicked out of the World Cup in 1966. He also played in an era where the football world only got see anything of him every 4 years, so an aura builds up, and if he had a poor(er) season, it would go under the radar.

Messi has won 3 international tournaments, outside of the great Spain side circa 15 years ago, there’s very few who can claim to have done the same, and virtually none can claim to have been their country’s main man during that period. His record at club level is unsurpassed. He’s had the benefit of modern medicine and training, he’s also had to deal with an unprecedented level of scrutiny that only Ronaldo, tiger woods, Michael Jordan and lebron James can relate to. One other thing he’s had to cope with, up until 20 months or so ago, was perpetual negative comparisons to maradona.


And as we’ve seen, other people will favour maradona, some Ronaldo, or Ronaldo , or zidane, or Best, that’s the beauty of the discussion, there’s no definitely right answer

[Iain G]

Has it come home yet? Just checking... 😁

[we are hibs]

Southgate has stepped down as England manager.

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[Northernhibee]

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Southgate has stepped down as England manager.

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I actually like him on a human level. He seems like a genuinely good guy.

[Trinity Hibee]

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I actually like him on a human level. He seems like a genuinely good guy.

Agreed. His man management comes across as excellent

[MWHIBBIES]

Done an incredible job. Hopefully disappears and enjoys a well earned rest.

Slightly worrying as England could attract someone good.

[ancient hibee]

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Southgate has stepped down as England manager. Sent from my SM-A405FN using Tapatalk

Are you sure?

[Mcbizz1998]

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Southgate has stepped down as England manager. Sent from my SM-A405FN using Tapatalk

Where you seeing that? Not been confirmed as far as I can see.EDIT: Confirmed now.