Simon Murray

[Ship of Hope]

I was suggesting we sign players for the first team with the potential to recoup some or all of the fee we pay rather than players first team ready with no sell on potential as in a 32 yr old Simon Murray.

maolida is a poor example to use as he would surely have some sell on as relatively young.

Not really sure what the balance is you are referring to between Murray and Maolida? Two very different players at very different stages of their careers. I would like both but would only want to pay a fee for one of them. Not an exact science obviously but the more we can wash our money through player sales the further it goes.

[Bobby's Cinema]

In Malky's first interview he spoke about improving the signings we make by reducing the risk of them not working out.

I think we know exactly what we'd get from Murray. I'd say there's a high % chance he would get us playing more direct in behind, turning opposition defences, pressuring them causing them problems, contributing and hopefully into double figures for a season. I always think Jamie Vardy is a decent comparison for the way he plays.

That would be worth a small fee with little chance of recouping.

If you offered me the performances of Vente/ Alf/ Doidge over the course of last season vs the simon murray of last season OR last time he was with us, I know what I would go for.

[Smartie]

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I was suggesting we sign players for the first team with the potential to recoup some or all of the fee we pay rather than players first team ready with no sell on potential as in a 32 yr old Simon Murray.

maolida is a poor example to use as he would surely have some sell on as relatively young.

Not really sure what the balance is you are referring to between Murray and Maolida? Two very different players at very different stages of their careers. I would like both but would only want to pay a fee for one of them. Not an exact science obviously but the more we can wash our money through player sales the further it goes.

My point about Maolida was that as he was here on loan, there was no chance of a financial benefit from a sell on - but his on field contribution being good meant that it was worthwhile having him for that spell.

Some players earn you money in sell ons, some don’t. Just because a player doesn’t earn you a sell on doesn’t mean he’s a bad signing.

Murray, if he signed, would have to be accepted as someone who wasn’t going to be sold for big bucks.

Personally, I think part of our recruitment troubles in recent years has been speculatively signing players who may yield a sell on fee over ones signed to contribute to the first team from the word go.

[CentreForward]

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Do you not think though that there’s also a place for spending money on players who are purely and simply going to have a positive effect on our first team, like Maolida?

Imo it’s a balance - we need to be making some signings with a view to having sell on value but there’s a place for a few who are simply about getting the team results.

Exactly!

[paddy1875]

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My point about Maolida was that as he was here on loan, there was no chance of a financial benefit from a sell on - but his on field contribution being good meant that it was worthwhile having him for that spell.

Some players earn you money in sell ons, some don’t. Just because a player doesn’t earn you a sell on doesn’t mean he’s a bad signing.

Murray, if he signed, would have to be accepted as someone who wasn’t going to be sold for big bucks.

Personally, I think part of our recruitment troubles in recent years has been speculatively signing players who may yield a sell on fee over ones signed to contribute to the first team from the word go.

The last paragraph is absolutely spot on. We should be looking to make money off players but the here and now should be most important. There’s a perfect blend to have.

Simon Murray last season done well. Hes worthy of a fee being paid for him. Will we make money off him? Probably not, but having a player like him might bring more out of others. It could move us up the table leading to more prize money etc. so whatever money paid might be made back that way. He might also improve younger players which could yield more transfer fees in the future.

It’s all easy on paper


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[Ship of Hope]

Agree with most of last few posts.. although not sure Ross County will be looking for a small fee. They will be looking for a fee that will offset their potential losses.

In terms of a fee, what does a small fee look like? What do you feel the club should be prepared to spend to get him?

He could have james milner-esque longevity but it could also be that his prowess from last season has already diminished. His age makes spending a lot of hibby pounds to get him a potentially risky prospect. Listen I like him, his character also, but I am just not sure if I would be prepared to pay what Ross County would want.

For example, if we signed for two years for 300k and pay him 3k a week that will cost 600k over 2 years. That seems like quite a chunk of money to me. If he is a rip roaring success maybe worth it for reasons others have stated. If he is a squad player then maybe not.

[B.H.F.C]

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Do you not think though that there’s also a place for spending money on players who are purely and simply going to have a positive effect on our first team, like Maolida?

Imo it’s a balance - we need to be making some signings with a view to having sell on value but there’s a place for a few who are simply about getting the team results.

This. Players can more than pay their fee back though performing on the pitch, they don’t always need to be sold at a profit. Not necessarily Murray, but if we signed a striker who contributed the number of goals he did for Ross County we’d be a lot better for it. We’d almost certainly be a few places higher in the league, there’s the fee paid back right there.

[blackpoolhibs]

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This. Players can more than pay their fee back though performing on the pitch, they don’t always need to be sold at a profit. Not necessarily Murray, but if we signed a striker who contributed the number of goals he did for Ross County we’d be a lot better for it. We’d almost certainly be a few places higher in the league, there’s the fee paid back right there.

Exactly, bringing players in and selling them for profit seems to be the new success for some.

I think some folk forget it's success on the pitch that sells season tickets and brings in walk ups, not balancing the bloody books.

[BILLYHIBS]

Has he been spotted in Greggs Easter Road yet ?

[Springbank]

I think back to the 2015-19 period & selling out 3 stands and 3.5 for some, when you saw what happens (in added gate money) when Hibs are winning.

An extra 3k for a game vs a minnow is £60k alone, for 1 game.

An extra 4k for games vs OF (and higher ticket price) is even more

Then there are more people using kiosks / club shop etc for spin off revenue

Just saying that the £600k over 2 years mentioned above isn't daunting if you find someone to spend it on who looks a good bet / low risk

[e2los]

Looks like we will see him again on the 24th of August playing for Dundee against us at Easter Road.

[BS44]

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Looks like we will see him again on the 24th of August playing for Dundee against us at Easter Road.

Yep, just confirmed on BBC Scotland news

[LewysGot2]

He has been open recently about the challenges his family face due to his son being autistic. Perhaps simply being at home longer through the week is worth more to him/them.

Good luck to him whatever the logic/reason. Except against us

[Winston Ingram]

He’s 32 and has just signed a 3 year deal. No way he could turn that down and there was no way he was getting that here.

[Wilson]

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He’s 32 and has just signed a 3 year deal. No way he could turn that down and there was no way he was getting that here.

By the third year I expect he'll be banging in goals as a championship striker for Dundee. Could work out very well indeed for the old boy.

[1van Sprou7e]

Jeez I didn't realise he was 32

Love him but can't exactly be upset we didn't sign him again

[Since452]

The chat here in Dundee is that it had been a done deal for the last couple of weeks.

[heretoday]

I expect he knows what he's doing. He's a single-minded chap.
Shame though.

[GreenCastle]

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The chat here in Dundee is that it had been a done deal for the last couple of weeks.

Heard before the end of the season he was going back to Dundee!

Think Hibs maybe just threw a spanner on the works but at the end of the day family and less travel made sense for him.