SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Keith_M]

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I've often wondered about the people who follow politics in Scotland now. On a Wednesday and Thursday night do half of them actually enjoy watching Question Time, Debate Night and BBC News whilst the other half, like myself, have to be restrained in case they chuck the dug at the telly?

You as well?

[147lothian]

What John Swinney and Kate Forbes have to address is why the SNP are plummeting in the polls and why they have dwindling membership numbers.

Even before Nicola Sturgeon's resignation the rot had set in, if you look at all the disasters in the SNP they all have a Green source behind them.

The Greens have gone into government, they don't like roads or building roads, the A9 promises are reneged on which is huge in the Highlands.

The gender recognition act, the failure to accept very reasonable amendments can only be explained by Green pressure.

The unworkable bottle return scheme was implemented by a Green minister, the Green tail was wagging the SNP dog under Nicola Sturgeon much to the detriment of her government.

[Ozyhibby]

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What John Swinney and Kate Forbes have to address is why the SNP are plummeting in the poll and why they have dwindling membership numbers.

Even before Nicola Sturgeon's resignation the rot had set in, if you look at all the disasters in the SNP they all have a Green source behind them.

The Greens have gone into government, they don't like roads or building roads, the A9 promises reneged on which is huge in the Highlands.

The gender recognition act, the failure to accept very reasonable amendments can only be explained by Green pressure.

The unworkable bottle return scheme was implemented by a Green minister, the Green tail was wagging the SNP dog under Nicola Sturgeon much to the detriment of her government.

I think the fact that Forbes is in there addresses all those issues? If they were not changing direction she wouldn’t be there.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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I think the fact that Forbes is in there addresses all those issues? If they were not changing direction she wouldn’t be there.


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Defending Mathesons fraud seems to be his first major decision and questioning the committee that had two SNP Msps integrity. Said he's committed to backing gender self ID last week if able, Kate Forbes said last Friday she'll wholeheartedly endorse" the Scottish government position, so contrary to lots of screams against her. So far so continuity and I'm worried Forbes is just being used as a token and Murrells Swinney and Co will still rule all

[Ozyhibby]

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Defending Mathesons fraud seems to be his first major decision and questioning the committee that had two SNP Msps integrity. Said he's committed to backing gender self ID last week if able, Kate Forbes said last Friday she'll wholeheartedly endorse" the Scottish government position, so contrary to lots of screams against her. So far so continuity and I'm worried Forbes is just being used as a token and Murrells Swinney and Co will still rule all

As far as I know he only questioned one person on the committee? Either way, it was terrible politics and he should have stayed away.


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[Andy Bee]

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You as well?

Itinerary for Thursday nights........

Deploy the safety gear (American football helmets and pads)
Stick the goldfish upstairs
Stick the dug in the coolbox
Kill the cat, no point trying to save it as history shows it never makes it. It also negates the pressure of trying to explain to the vet why it has a dart in its head.
Deploy the TV screen protective shield (two old pallets and chicken wire) note to self....The TVSPS system needs further adaptions, very good for large objects dugs, kids etc but completely ineffective against a dart attack.
Commence watching the Fiona Bruce it's a talk show but don't dare talk if you're not going to champion my beloved husbands £3m a year contracted Tory Party.
Phone an ambulance
Start cleanup operation.

[Jack]

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What John Swinney and Kate Forbes have to address is why the SNP are plummeting in the poll and why they have dwindling membership numbers.

Even before Nicola Sturgeon's resignation the rot had set in, if you look at all the disasters in the SNP they all have a Green source behind them.

The Greens have gone into government, they don't like roads or building roads, the A9 promises reneged on which is huge in the Highlands.

The gender recognition act, the failure to accept very reasonable amendments can only be explained by Green pressure.

The unworkable bottle return scheme was implemented by a Green minister, the Green tail was wagging the SNP dog under Nicola Sturgeon much to the detriment of her government.

Are numbers dwindling to any great extent?

One poll, albeit small numbers, earlier in the thread show an increase and I doubt the SNP, or any other party, publish membership numbers on a weekly/monthly basis. So how do we know?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Are numbers dwindling to any great extent?

One poll, albeit small numbers, earlier in the thread show an increase and I doubt the SNP, or any other party, publish membership numbers on a weekly/monthly basis. So how do we know?

4 years ago snp were 50 % points ahead of Labour on yougov they are now 10 behind. Even if you say they are even the fall has been spectacular. The membership numbers also fell of a cliff at the same time. Think the bookies have them loosing about half their seats as the favourite. The fall would seem unbelievable if you were to say it in 2020

[JimBHibees]

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You're right but I'm not defending Murrell, personally I think he's a little rogue. What I'm questioning is why more little rogues aren't being rounded up in a similar fashion, there's certainly no shortage of them in politics. Forensic tents, tea bags and biscuits being manhandled out the house and then the investigation against Murrell concluded the day after a snap election is called. It's all a wee bit suspect.

It was more the language being used that interested me. There's very subtle hints that just because you support Independence and you believe the British State could be involved in trying to undermine it you're some kind of Flat Earther. I'm not singling you out or even this subject being discussed but I'm becoming increasingly aware of the polarised nature peoples opinions are being formed from. It's becoming conflated with everything and it's a problem for both sides.

I've often wondered about the people who follow politics in Scotland now. On a Wednesday and Thursday night do half of them actually enjoy watching Question Time, Debate Night and BBC News whilst the other half, like myself, have to be restrained in case they chuck the dug at the telly?

Genuinely haven’t watched Question time or bbc news for years. Used to be a regular meaningful and balanced watch. Unrecognisable now which reflects the Tories having taken over the place in terms of control

[Stairway 2 7]

So the first full Scottish poll since the election called has Labour 5 ahead of the SNP in Scotland. Think Labour clearly a bit ahead looking at the last 3 polls. Will tighten but they need to have a good 5 weeks and next week will be Matheson. If Matheson cared about the SNP he would have walked last year instead of dragging two FMs through this

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1794813812157100191

Green behind reform 😲
LAB: 35%
SNP: 30%
CON: 17%
LDM: 10%
REF: 4%
GRN: 3%

[147lothian]

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Are numbers dwindling to any great extent?

One poll, albeit small numbers, earlier in the thread show an increase and I doubt the SNP, or any other party, publish membership numbers on a weekly/monthly basis. So how do we know?

SNP membership numbers really are dwindling at a great extent.

SNP membership numbers in 2019 were 125,000

At the end of December 2023 ie just 5 months ago SNP membership numbers were 69,235

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,e...der%2072%2C190.

[Andy Bee]

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SNP membership numbers are really are dwindling at a great extent.

SNP membership numbers in 2019 were 125,000

At the end of December 2023 ie just over 5 months ago SNP membership numbers were 69,235

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,e...der%2072%2C190.

In March24 they were 72,178 confirmed due to the leadership contest so all good, they're on the rise, Saltires at the ready folks

[Ozyhibby]

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SNP membership numbers are really are dwindling at a great extent.

SNP membership numbers in 2019 were 125,000

At the end of December 2023 ie just over 5 months ago SNP membership numbers were 69,235

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,e...der%2072%2C190.

What are Scottish Labour numbers?


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[marinello59]

Keith Brown doubles down on Swinney's support for Matheson and now a deal is being discussed with the Greens to reduce the proposed punishment. So much for Swinney changing things. The same sort of party before country arrogance and sense of entitlement that preceded New Labour's downfall.

[weecounty hibby]

Without reading all of the reports on this isn't it the case that Swinney has said that he is guilty but the punishment is excessive? So not really supporting Mathieson, more questioning the length of punishment

[marinello59]

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Without reading all of the reports on this isn't it the case that Swinney has said that he is guilty but the punishment is excessive? So not really supporting Mathieson, more questioning the length of punishment

He said his friend had made a mistake. A mistake. Stealing tax payers money and repeated lies about it to try and cover it up would certainly not be described by Swinney as a mistake if a member of any other party had done it. And nor should it be. In Swinney's world the real villains are the select committee. That's straight out of Boris Johnstone's playbook.

[Ozyhibby]

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Without reading all of the reports on this isn't it the case that Swinney has said that he is guilty but the punishment is excessive? So not really supporting Mathieson, more questioning the length of punishment

Yes


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Without reading all of the reports on this isn't it the case that Swinney has said that he is guilty but the punishment is excessive? So not really supporting Mathieson, more questioning the length of punishment

He downplayed everything he said it was just a mistake to wrack up the bill, that's a lie as Matheson admitted he was streaming out his data which is against parliament rules.
He said Matheson paid the bill so there was no cost to the public purse, that's deliberately missing the part where he tried to Rob the tax payer by putting it on expenses.
He said he didn't agree with the sanctions as someone on the committee was prejudiced against Matheson, he didn't mention to SNP MSPs back Matheson loosing his wages the vote was unanimous.
He said Matheson has had enough punishment and shouldn't resign as he's had reputation damage and had to quit his ministerial role, ho hum don't try and diddle the tax payer.
He didn't mention Matheson admitted to lying to the press and parliament to defend his kids, no one was blaming his kids he let them use his data.

He's defending the indefensible anyone of us would have lost our jobs, in Westminster there would be a byelection, a single mum diddling the tax payer doesn't get to just pay it back and forget about it.

Swinney is showing loyalty to a friend but he's FM, Matheson should have walked last year but he's selfish, he'll get bombed at next election

[Berwickhibby]

Matheson is thief pure and simple, had this occurred in any other employment, he would have arrested for theft or attempted theft and sacked for gross misconduct. One rule for politicians again.

[Andy Bee]

This is an absolute **** show. It could be a marketing managers dream for the SNP with drookit Sunak calling an election on, of all days, the biggest Independence Day celebration in the world, Sarwar taking cash out his family business which seems to be the Scottish equivalent of a sweat shop and Wes Streeting proclaiming on National TV that all roads lead to Westminster in regards to devolved NHS problems. Yet these eejits are feeding a narrative which will run for weeks without any positive outcome. Mathieson needs to stand down sharpish.

[Hiber-nation]

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This is an absolute **** show. It could be a marketing managers dream for the SNP with drookit Sunak calling an election on, of all days, the biggest Independence Day celebration in the world, Sarwar taking cash out his family business which seems to be the Scottish equivalent of a Chinese sweat shop and Wes Streeting proclaiming on National TV that all roads lead to Westminster in regards to devolved NHS problems. Yet these eejits are feeding a narrative which will run for weeks without any positive outcome. Mathieson needs to stand down sharpish.

It's just ridiculous. But it's trademark Swinney. He made a good start but a couple of weeks on and it's falling apart already. Mathieson isn't even a competent Minister.

[marinello59]

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It's just ridiculous. But it's trademark Swinney. He made a good start but a couple of weeks on and it's falling apart already. Mathieson isn't even a competent Minister.

I'd respectfully disagree. Part of the tragedy of all this is I reckon he was the best health secretary we had had for a while.

[Hiber-nation]

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I'd respectfully disagree. Part of the tragedy of all this is I reckon he was the best health secretary we had had for a while.

Not according to my ex colleague who worked in Health at the time. But he's a grumpy so and so 😁

[marinello59]

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Not according to my ex colleague who worked in Health at the time. But he's a grumpy so and so 😁

[One Day Soon]

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This is an absolute **** show. It could be a marketing managers dream for the SNP with drookit Sunak calling an election on, of all days, the biggest Independence Day celebration in the world, Sarwar taking cash out his family business which seems to be the Scottish equivalent of a Chinese sweat shop and Wes Streeting proclaiming on National TV that all roads lead to Westminster in regards to devolved NHS problems. Yet these eejits are feeding a narrative which will run for weeks without any positive outcome. Mathieson needs to stand down sharpish.

You might want to retract that, for all sorts of reasons.

[Andy Bee]

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You might want to retract that, for all sorts of reasons.

You're right of course....duly done.

[Ozyhibby]

I see the SNP will now vote for Mathesons suspension. Interesting that it was Forbes who announced it.


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I see the SNP will now vote for Mathesons suspension. Interesting that it was Forbes who announced it.


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U turn from Swinney saying in Parliament that he could not support the ban. Using up so much political capital on the indefensible. It should really be a byelection

[marinello59]

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I see the SNP will now vote for Mathesons suspension. Interesting that it was Forbes who announced it.


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After failing to agree a deal with the Greens Swinney knew there was no way he could whip his MSPs to vote against sanctions when the vote was going to be lost. The game was up, his friend will have to face the consequences of his actions.
Of course he let Forbes announce it, Teflon John is never wrong as we saw during his disastrous tenure as Education Secretary.

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Double u turn SNP to vote against Matheson getting a fine, well Swinney did say he's a good friend so perhaps expected. They should lose the vote as all other parties for the ban. What a first two weeks of the 6 weeks campaign this will be

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