SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Berwickhibby]

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Maybe we should start a GoFundMe page for them?

[lapsedhibee]

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If half of what insiders are saying about Nicola Sturgeon is true, it's quite fair to say that the political goals of the SNP have been set back for a generation due to it all being focused on the cult of a personality.

https://www.robinmcalpine.org/the-st...ia-and-vanity/

You've already posted that link. Do you think posting it twice makes it more accurate or balanced?

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The senior law officer in the country is in the cabinet, Police Scotland is an SNP creation and the civil service up here is dominated by SNP appointments. So who exactly is driving this?

Just because you create organisations does not necessarily mean you control what they do. Absolutely no doubt Police Scotland will not have been a popular move within police dom The whole timing of it is a little odd

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Just because you create organisations does not necessarily mean you control what they do. Absolutely no doubt Police Scotland will not have been a popular move within police dom The whole timing of it is a little odd

So who is driving this conspiracy?

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Sunak called an election at a time when the tories are polling in the gutter, their good news stories are still awful, and will almost certainly see them out of power, just to get at the SNP?

Yes maybe not being a little facetious but wouldn’t altogether rule it out given the duplicitous characters involved

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So who is driving this conspiracy?

The uk establishment of course

[marinello59]

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The uk establishment of course

The SNP is the political establishment in Scotland .
Which part of it has the UK establishment… and you need to define that…. infiltrated in order to orchestrate this conspiracy and how are they doing this without somebody blowing the whistle?

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Yes maybe not being a little facetious but wouldn’t altogether rule it out given the duplicitous characters involved

The Tories are snakes.

They aren’t stupid though, the best chance they have of retaining power is if the SNP make a dent in Labours seat haul.
Then again we are speaking about Sunak who is politically suicidal.

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The SNP is the political establishment in Scotland .
Which part of it has the UK establishment… and you need to define that…. infiltrated in order to orchestrate this conspiracy and how are they doing this without somebody blowing the whistle?

You think the uk has no influence in Scotland. It is significant It is a devolved parliament not a controlling one.

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You think the uk has no influence in Scotland. It is significant It is a devolved parliament not a controlling one.

The Scottish Parliament controls all the parts in play here though.
Could it be, that just like the Salmond case, when this has played out, it’s not a British Establishment plot but human frailties and flaws leading people towards destructive behaviour?

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Morrell?

Someone has been kept in the dark 😂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morchella

Jeez bloody phone, should really check before posting, obviously Murrell I meant. I've supported SNP all my life but if what he's done is personal embezzlement, then I have little sympathy. We we're all decrying the Tories for their blatant corruption and wanted them all gone and charged, we can't then ignore it if it's one of our own.

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You think the uk has no influence in Scotland. It is significant It is a devolved parliament not a controlling one.

Not sure anyone claimed otherwise.

The question was what part of the U.K. establishment was conducting this rather drawn out cunning ploy and quite how it was being pulled off without anyone giving the game away?

Conspiracy theories always seem to rely on these dark forces having such high levels of competence in one specific area while at the same time disparaging their competence at anything and everything else.

The U.K. powers that be have been all at sea on just about everything for a rather long time but somehow they have found the time and wherewithal to mastermind a rather fantastic cross border, cross jurisdiction plot to bring down Peter Murrell for their nefarious ends! Bravo!

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The Scottish Parliament controls all the parts in play here though.
Could it be, that just like the Salmond case, when this has played out, it’s not a British Establishment plot but human frailties and flaws leading people towards destructive behaviour?

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The Tories are snakes.

They aren’t stupid though, the best chance they have of retaining power is if the SNP make a dent in Labours seat haul.
Then again we are speaking about Sunak who is politically suicidal.

Oh, c'mon you can't really think that any unionist government wouldn't prefer it to be a straight fight between Labour v tory. They both hate the idea of the SNP being the 3rd largest party

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Not sure anyone claimed otherwise.

The question was what part of the U.K. establishment was conducting this rather drawn out cunning ploy and quite how it was being pulled off without anyone giving the game away?

Conspiracy theories always seem to rely on these dark forces having such high levels of competence in one specific area while at the same time disparaging their competence at anything and everything else.

The U.K. powers that be have been all at sea on just about everything for a rather long time but somehow they have found the time and wherewithal to mastermind a rather fantastic cross border, cross jurisdiction plot to bring down Peter Murrell for their nefarious ends! Bravo!

Lol @ dark forces, cunning ploy and conspiracy theories, loving the emotive language my friend, are you really suggesting that certain governmental departments haven't got the power or the "wherewithal" to manipulate an outcome to which serves their own needs, really? History should show you otherwise regardless of who's "in power", incompetent or not. There's been bigger and better than Scotland sucked dry before being released by "The Union" using every underhanded method available, India for one.

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Oh, c'mon you can't really think that any unionist government wouldn't prefer it to be a straight fight between Labour v tory. They both hate the idea of the SNP being the 3rd largest party

Up until now the Tories have been a pretty ruthless political machine. I don’t think their hatred of the SNP would extend to rather losing the election than seeing them as the third largest party. Maybe they would , who knows with this lot though… they’re bonkers.

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This thread has turned amazing 😆

[Berwickhibby]

It was Colonel Mustard in the Library (aided and assisted by 007 and M) in a conspiracy plot to bring down the SNP at all costs ….

[J-C]

Both Labour and the Tories know they need the resources that Scotland has, hence why they'll do anything to stop independence, remember old Gordon Brown and Co being dragged out to spread their lies to stop independence last time.

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It was Colonel Mustard in the Library (aided and assisted by 007 and M) in a conspiracy plot to bring down the SNP at all costs ….

Got ya, this explains why the SNP have been falling in the polls since 2019. It has nothing to do with the mistakes in policy made by Sturgeon then her continuity candidate Hamza Yousaf, and everything to an elaborate UK establishment conspiracy to bring down the SNP.

I only hope John Swinney and Kate Forbes are listening so that they can address this issue.

https://www.yougov.co.uk/politics/ar...nce-referendum

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This thread has turned amazing 😆

It’s one of those ones where I keep saying to myself don’t post anymore as I hit send.

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Lol @ dark forces, cunning ploy and conspiracy theories, loving the emotive language my friend, are you really suggesting that certain governmental departments haven't got the power or the "wherewithal" to manipulate an outcome to which serves their own needs, really? History should show you otherwise regardless of who's "in power", incompetent or not. There's been bigger and better than Scotland sucked dry before being released by "The Union" using every underhanded method available, India for one.

Wait…wait…feels to me you are doing something similar to the first poster. It’s gone something like this:

Poster 1: It’s a conspiracy I tell ya!

Poster 2: Evidence please…

Poster 1: Surely you believe they have influence to do so

Poster 3 (me): Not the argument that they may have the influence, please present ANY evidence they are involved in THIS little matter

Poster 4 (you): Aye but SURELY you have to believe they have the ability to do so…”look at that they did to India”

Poster 5 (me): I enjoy a good old Colonial reference as the next man. Can I politely point out that merely saying a bad man has done bad things doesn’t, in any way, give any indication of he was responsible for the latest bad thing that has happened.

Instinctively you may consider that to be the case but you may have to come up with something better than ‘cause he’s a bad man’ when asked to explain why that particular man on this particular occasion.

But you may of course be right. The evil hand of the shadowy Establishment may well be at play here, such things can never be discounted because they are after a bad man.

Or of course Murrell might just have cooked the books in too creative a way and a few forensic accountants have highlighted to Plod a number of irregularities!

We can of course continue this drama by considering just how many forensic accountants could also be part of the Establishment and I’ll
meet you back here once we have gone full circle in this debate once again

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It was Colonel Mustard in the Library (aided and assisted by 007 and M) in a conspiracy plot to bring down the SNP at all costs ….

Oh no, always thought Mustard was more of a Bozo type figure, milking the lovable eccentric Englishman caricature for all it's worth, whilst actually being far too close to those pesky Russians

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[147lothian]

Scotland is being treated unjustly and the scheming Colonel Mustard is behind it all from the upstairs room at the library.

Evidence for this is in Take the High Road being taken off the TV and Scottish water being privatized.

First they take our soap then they take our water.

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Both Labour and the Tories know they need the resources that Scotland has, hence why they'll do anything to stop independence, remember old Gordon Brown and Co being dragged out to spread their lies to stop independence last time.

Remember when he and another Scottish born pm tried to rewrite the boundaries of Scotland

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Scotland is being treated unjustly and the scheming Colonel Mustard is behind it all from the upstairs room at the library.

Evidence for this is in Take the High Road being taken off the TV and Scottish water being privatized.

First they take our soap then they take our water.

Anyone who doesn't believe the British state isn't willing to use all the organs at its disposal to prevent the break-up of the UK, hasn't been paying attention to history.

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Anyone who doesn't believe the British state isn't willing to use all the organs at its disposal to prevent the break-up of the UK, hasn't been paying attention to history.

There's a difference between saying brit gov tries to sway Scotland to staying to saying the utterly bat**** police framing Murrell. The law officers in the SNP cabinet would have to be in on it and police Scotland right to the top. The evidence will be scrutinised by all due to the nature of the case. It's similar to Trump supporters and the elections being stolen.

SNP have been in free fall since the Bute House. The same UK gov were in charge when SNP hammered the rest in Scottish and Westminster elections, they also had a 50 point lead over Labour. They are now 10 points behind and Sturgeon and the continuity candidates. Hopefully Flynn or Forbes takes over as demographics means we will eventually get independence if SNP stick to independence and MI5, police Scotland, interlopers in the cabinet or Ernst Stavro Blofeld won't stop it

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On a more light-hearted note...


Who do you think Banksy had in mind when he painted this?



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Wait…wait…feels to me you are doing something similar to the first poster. It’s gone something like this:

Poster 1: It’s a conspiracy I tell ya!

Poster 2: Evidence please…

Poster 1: Surely you believe they have influence to do so

Poster 3 (me): Not the argument that they may have the influence, please present ANY evidence they are involved in THIS little matter

Poster 4 (you): Aye but SURELY you have to believe they have the ability to do so…”look at that they did to India”

Poster 5 (me): I enjoy a good old Colonial reference as the next man. Can I politely point out that merely saying a bad man has done bad things doesn’t, in any way, give any indication of he was responsible for the latest bad thing that has happened.

Instinctively you may consider that to be the case but you may have to come up with something better than ‘cause he’s a bad man’ when asked to explain why that particular man on this particular occasion.

But you may of course be right. The evil hand of the shadowy Establishment may well be at play here, such things can never be discounted because they are after a bad man.

Or of course Murrell might just have cooked the books in too creative a way and a few forensic accountants have highlighted to Plod a number of irregularities!

We can of course continue this drama by considering just how many forensic accountants could also be part of the Establishment and I’ll
meet you back here once we have gone full circle in this debate once again

You're right but I'm not defending Murrell, personally I think he's a little rogue. What I'm questioning is why more little rogues aren't being rounded up in a similar fashion, there's certainly no shortage of them in politics. Forensic tents, tea bags and biscuits being manhandled out the house and then the investigation against Murrell concluded the day after a snap election is called. It's all a wee bit suspect.

It was more the language being used that interested me. There's very subtle hints that just because you support Independence and you believe the British State could be involved in trying to undermine it you're some kind of Flat Earther. I'm not singling you out or even this subject being discussed but I'm becoming increasingly aware of the polarised nature peoples opinions are being formed from. It's becoming conflated with everything and it's a problem for both sides.

I've often wondered about the people who follow politics in Scotland now. On a Wednesday and Thursday night do half of them actually enjoy watching Question Time, Debate Night and BBC News whilst the other half, like myself, have to be restrained in case they chuck the dug at the telly?

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There's a difference between saying brit gov tries to sway Scotland to staying to saying the utterly bat**** police framing Murrell. The law officers in the SNP cabinet would have to be in on it and police Scotland right to the top. The evidence will be scrutinised by all due to the nature of the case. It's similar to Trump supporters and the elections being stolen.

SNP have been in free fall since the Bute House. The same UK gov were in charge when SNP hammered the rest in Scottish and Westminster elections, they also had a 50 point lead over Labour. They are now 10 points behind and Sturgeon and the continuity candidates. Hopefully Flynn or Forbes takes over as demographics means we will eventually get independence if SNP stick to independence and MI5, police Scotland, interlopers in the cabinet or Ernst Stavro Blofeld won't stop it

Just because they're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get them.