SNP are lying b******s as well !

[weecounty hibby]

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Did this not all come about because someone who donated to the 'independence campaign fund' thought that the money was going to be used when another referendum was due?

Started by Sean Clerkin. Nutcase of the highest order and frankly an anti English bigot. Been thrown out of pretty much every party he's been a member of even Scottish Resistance FFS. Aided and abetted by that bastion of sense and understanding the Rev Stu

[marinello59]

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So basically SNP members get a fund going for an independence campaign, we are dashed by the law courts and Murrel decides to use that money on other SNP things. Have I got that right, looks more like he never told everyone what he wad using the money for, so money for SNP by members still used for SNP purposes.

We don’t know anything.
What follows is all speculation on my part with no comment on whether people are guilty or not.
if you take a cold, detached look at all the information that has been made public it is not surprising to see embezzlement charges made against one individual. I suspect nobody else will be charged. I have no idea if a prosecution will follow, all in the hands of the PF now. I wouldn’t fancy having to make that call, either way there will be anger. My hope is that a decision is reached rapidly, it’s not just those charged it’s people around them having to live with the weight of all this. On a human level it’s hard not to feel sorry for them.

[Berwickhibby]

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So basically SNP members get a fund going for an independence campaign, we are dashed by the law courts and Murrel decides to use that money on other SNP things. Have I got that right, looks more like he never told everyone what he wad using the money for, so money for SNP by members still used for SNP purposes.

If Murrell used these funds for SNP related matters then I don’t see a crime, however, the question is did he unlawfully appropriate said funds for himself and not the SNP … until the evidence is the public domain we don’t know.

[weecounty hibby]

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Does it matter who made the complaint…IF Murrell stole funds then he should be prosecuted

I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. I 100% agree and I am a party member who donated. But frankly I have no issues with what the money was spent on as I do believe that the SNP raison d'etre is an independent Scotland so pretty much everything they do campaigning is furthering the cause of independence. Innocent until proven guilty, but if proven guilty then he deserves whatever punishment comes his way

[Stairway 2 7]

I've yet to see anyone who isn't baffled by Swinney defending Matheson and hitting out at the comity, which had SNP MSPs who voted for the wages suspension. It's madness especially and 6 weeks before the election kills any momentum or changing of narrative. Robert Mcalpine asks has he handed Labour a Scottish Westminster victory

https://robinmcalpine.org/has-john-s...ood-to-labour/
In a decision which defies logic, the First Minister just decided to come out swinging against moderate sanctions against an MSP who broke some serious rules. The implications of this are far-reaching


Andy Wightman
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Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon playbook. Smear Committee members, undermine and discredit a Parliamentary Committee - all to save your own career. Scottish Parliament standards now hugely undermined

[marinello59]

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I've yet to see anyone who isn't baffled by Swinney defending Matheson and hitting out at the comity, which had SNP MSPs who voted for the wages suspension. It's madness especially and 6 weeks before the election kills any momentum or changing of narrative. Robert Mcalpine asks has he handed Labour a Scottish Westminster victory

https://robinmcalpine.org/has-john-s...ood-to-labour/
In a decision which defies logic, the First Minister just decided to come out swinging against moderate sanctions against an MSP who broke some serious rules. The implications of this are far-reaching


Andy Wightman
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Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon playbook. Smear Committee members, undermine and discredit a Parliamentary Committee - all to save your own career. Scottish Parliament standards now hugely undermined

Sunak- Could I have made a worse mess of our campaign launch?

Swinney - Hold my beer.

[Hiber-nation]

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I've yet to see anyone who isn't baffled by Swinney defending Matheson and hitting out at the comity, which had SNP MSPs who voted for the wages suspension. It's madness especially and 6 weeks before the election kills any momentum or changing of narrative. Robert Mcalpine asks has he handed Labour a Scottish Westminster victory

https://robinmcalpine.org/has-john-s...ood-to-labour/
In a decision which defies logic, the First Minister just decided to come out swinging against moderate sanctions against an MSP who broke some serious rules. The implications of this are far-reaching


Andy Wightman
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Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon playbook. Smear Committee members, undermine and discredit a Parliamentary Committee - all to save your own career. Scottish Parliament standards now hugely undermined

Having seen Swinney in action in meetings etc in my time in the SG this is just trademark for him. Once he gets a bee in his bonnet he'll try to stick with it through thick and thin. Worked really well when he was Finance Minister. But he's gone too far this time. Wrong move.

[147lothian]

Considering Peter Murrell is The Former SNP chief executive and Nicola Sturgeon's husband who may have been out of the limelight but since Sturgeon controlled every aspect of the party, if Peter Murrell was embezzling the funds, I don't believe Nicola Sturgeon didn't know about it.

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Considering Peter Murrell is The Former SNP chief executive and Nicola Sturgeon's husband who may have been out of the limelight but since Sturgeon controlled every aspect of the party, if Peter Murrell was embezzling the funds, I don't believe Nicola Sturgeon didn't know about it.

I’m not so sure she would have and as we don’t know any specifics on what the embezzlement charges are it’s even harder to draw a conclusion.

It’s interesting though that the charges relate to a period from 2016…I believe the fund raising that prompted all of this was in 2017.

Which to me suggests that once the covers were lifted by the original investigation of the fundraising cash further irregularities were found. Hence the rather protracted investigation.

All speculation of course but married or not and in leadership positions or not there shouldn’t be an automatic guilt of association here. I can still see why the minutiae of how the party finances were being run might not be Nicola’s bag. Then of course there is the hurdle of a provable, criminal act even if she was ‘aware’.

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I think that is when they started looking at SNP finances but the police don't charge political figures and the husband of a lawyer without it being pretty tight. Its daft to speculate before the fact, most were saying there would be no charge and it was to embarrass the SNP, it obviously wasn't

Depends what actually happened and the scale of it. Do think the timing is interesting.

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Depends what actually happened and the scale of it. Do think the timing is interesting.

I was surprised to read this morning as RyeSloan says the embezzlement relates to a year before the fundraising so who knows

[147lothian]

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I’m not so sure she would have and as we don’t know any specifics on what the embezzlement charges are it’s even harder to draw a conclusion.

It’s interesting though that the charges relate to a period from 2016…I believe the fund raising that prompted all of this was in 2017.

Which to me suggests that once the covers were lifted by the original investigation of the fundraising cash further irregularities were found. Hence the rather protracted investigation.

All speculation of course but married or not and in leadership positions or not there shouldn’t be an automatic guilt of association here. I can still see why the minutiae of how the party finances were being run might not be Nicola’s bag. Then of course there is the hurdle of a provable, criminal act even if she was ‘aware’.

Apparently Sturgeon was a control freak who micro managed every aspect of the party, which simply means that party funds being embezzled by her husband and she doesn't know about it is not plausible.

https://www.robinmcalpine.org/the-st...ia-and-vanity/

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I think that is when they started looking at SNP finances but the police don't charge political figures and the husband of a lawyer without it being pretty tight.

[marinello59]

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Apparently Sturgeon was a control freak who micro managed every aspect of the party, which simply means that party funds being embezzled by her husband and she doesn't know about it is not plausible.

https://www.robinmcalpine.org/the-st...ia-and-vanity/

That’s pretty brutal.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Are you going full Trump like Swinney yesterday?

[lapsedhibee]

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That’s pretty brutal.

Kind of unhinged, too. Scotland would be an independent land of milk and honey by now if it wasn't for Sturgeon's personal flaws.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Kind of unhinged, too. Scotland would be an independent land of milk and honey by now if it wasn't for Sturgeon's personal flaws.

I think we've missed the biggest chance in a generation. The worst tory party since the 80s and clinging on after 14 years and brexit that we didn't want hammering us. This was the time. She focused on her personal crusades and culture wars and joined up with the greens. The last 4 years have been a disaster and a waste. With yougov before Bute the Bute House yes was just ahead and SNP were 50 points ahead of Labour. In the last yougov poll no is 10% ahead and Labour are 10 points ahead, brutal. The fact they voters shifted from SNP to wanting Starmers Labour shows why I think Forbes should have came in instead of continuity one and two.

Hopefully a fresh start after the expected election disappointments

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Are you going full Trump like Swinney yesterday?

Two things. First off, I just don't believe it. If I'm wrong, and Murrell & Sturgeon have embezzled the SNP then I'll be extremely unhappy, and angry with them. Secondly, if Police Scotland have 100 police officers investigating the possible embezzlement of £600k, then the UK Police should have 10s of 1000s of officers investigating the PPE fraud carried out by senior Tory Ministers. The Tories have diverted billions of pounds to their mates and no one is even talking about it. If Murrell & Sturgeon have done wrong, then they should be investigated and charged, but in comparison with the wholesale fraud undertaken by the Tories this is classic mote / plank / eye stuff.

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Two things. First off, I just don't believe it. If I'm wrong, and Murrell & Sturgeon have embezzled the SNP then I'll be extremely unhappy, and angry with them. Secondly, if Police Scotland have 100 police officers investigating the possible embezzlement of £600k, then the UK Police should have 10s of 1000s of officers investigating the PPE fraud carried out by senior Tory Ministers. The Tories have diverted billions of pounds to their mates and no one is even talking about it. If Murrell & Sturgeon have done wrong, then they should be investigated and charged, but in comparison with the wholesale fraud undertaken by the Tories this is classic mote / plank / eye stuff.

So your going with you just don't believe it regardless of evidence that is wild. What's whataboutery going to do to society oh he tried to steal 11k no as bad as the tories, oh someone robbed your house no as bad as the tories. If they committed a crime then they should get done. Scottish policing is devolved if they have seen a crime they should charge. Single mums get done for claiming improper benefits so politicians should too

SNP are the establishment party they have been in power for 14 years, all the heads will know Sturgeon and the justice Secretary, Dorothy Bain KC Lord Advocate and Ruth Charteris Solicitor General are on the SNP cabinet. Conspiracy theories look week

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Two things. First off, I just don't believe it. If I'm wrong, and Murrell & Sturgeon have embezzled the SNP then I'll be extremely unhappy, and angry with them. Secondly, if Police Scotland have 100 police officers investigating the possible embezzlement of £600k, then the UK Police should have 10s of 1000s of officers investigating the PPE fraud carried out by senior Tory Ministers. The Tories have diverted billions of pounds to their mates and no one is even talking about it. If Murrell & Sturgeon have done wrong, then they should be investigated and charged, but in comparison with the wholesale fraud undertaken by the Tories this is classic mote / plank / eye stuff.

Agree clearly a politically driven investigation. The murder gazebo ffs. Deserve to be punished if true. After years of investigation reaches its conclusion a day after GE called. Actually wouldn’t be surprised if the election was called knowing SNP at its weakest.

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So your going with you just don't believe it regardless of evidence that is wild.

I keep trying to communicate with you in a sensible manner but you dont seem to be able to comprehend plain English.

[J-C]

If Morrell has embezzled money for personal gain, then throw the book at him, SNP supporter or not, corruption is wrong no natter who.

[marinello59]

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Agree clearly a politically driven investigation. The murder gazebo ffs. Deserve to be punished if true. After years of investigation reaches its conclusion a day after GE called. Actually wouldn’t be surprised if the election was called knowing SNP at its weakest.

The senior law officer in the country is in the cabinet, Police Scotland is an SNP creation and the civil service up here is dominated by SNP appointments. So who exactly is driving this?

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Agree clearly a politically driven investigation. The murder gazebo ffs. Deserve to be punished if true. After years of investigation reaches its conclusion a day after GE called. Actually wouldn’t be surprised if the election was called knowing SNP at its weakest.

Sunak called an election at a time when the tories are polling in the gutter, their good news stories are still awful, and will almost certainly see them out of power, just to get at the SNP?

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Agree clearly a politically driven investigation. The murder gazebo ffs. Deserve to be punished if true. After years of investigation reaches its conclusion a day after GE called. Actually wouldn’t be surprised if the election was called knowing SNP at its weakest.

Election called by the suffering tories to hit SNP at its worst cmon this place is going full SNP QANON.

The police said a few weeks ago that the report would be in in a couple of weeks and PF would take a week after that. Everyone including the cabinet thought the Election would be October November months after PF would decide. Unless SNP formed police Scotland were tipped off before the tory cabinet. The law officer in the cabinet must be in on it too. Its a conspiracy by the yoons and so is the Matheson decision

[147lothian]

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Kind of unhinged, too. Scotland would be an independent land of milk and honey by now if it wasn't for Sturgeon's personal flaws.

If half of what insiders are saying about Nicola Sturgeon is true, it's quite fair to say that the political goals of the SNP have been set back for a generation due to it all being focused on the cult of a personality.

https://www.robinmcalpine.org/the-st...ia-and-vanity/

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The senior law officer in the country is in the cabinet, Police Scotland is an SNP creation and the civil service up here is dominated by SNP appointments. So who exactly is driving this?

This is the straight forward question that none of the folk making wild accusations are willing to answer?

Is it the dozens of financial crime detectives, who being members of the Scottish public when off duty, presumably consist of a proportionate number of SNP / Indy voters? Or did they manage to make a hand picked team of masons without any eyebrows being raised.

Is it the old chief Constable Ian Livingstone who was in post when the investigation began, or the new one Jo Farrell, and their numerous Deputies and Assistant chiefs?

Or is it members of the COPFS, who will have been kept heavily in the loop throughout this investigation as they always are during any major or high profile investigation.

Further is this a Labour conspiracy, or a Tory one, or a beautiful moment of unity between the two? Also if this great conspiracy is afoot, how are the unionists keeping all the SNP supporting members of PSOS and COPFS out of the loop?

[Ozyhibby]

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If Morrell has embezzled money for personal gain, then throw the book at him, SNP supporter or not, corruption is wrong no natter who.

Besides, it’s the SNP who is the victim here.


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If Morrell has embezzled money for personal gain, then throw the book at him, SNP supporter or not, corruption is wrong no natter who.

Morrell?

Someone has been kept in the dark 😂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morchella

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Besides, it’s the SNP who is the victim here.


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Maybe we should start a GoFundMe page for them?