Congestion charges and low emission zones

[Berwickhibby]

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Birmingham ULEZ fines


The standard penalty charge is £120 and you have up to 28 days to pay the standard charge from the date of issue of the PCN

You can pay an £8 charge to take a no compliant vehicle into Birmingham

[Ozyhibby]

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You can pay an £8 charge to take a no compliant vehicle into Birmingham

No consolation for the people who have to breathe in the poisonous fumes from the offending vehicle.


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[McD]

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Or more people will get the bus?


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More probably will, but many won’t, some may not be able to. And commercial vehicles won’t be able to get the bus.

I’m not against ulez, I’m just not convinced we’ve applied it in the best way. For the record, my car is compliant, and even then it never goes into the city centre. I get the train whether it’s for work (my office is right in the city centre) or pleasure

[Pretty Boy]

Am I the only person who wouldn't dream of taking their car into town regardless of this?

It's not designed for cars, parking and traffic are a nightmare and the only real motive I have to go near the centre of Edinburgh as a destination in itself is to get pished anyway.

Obviously there are issues for those working or passing through for work or commuting purposes and also those with mobility issues and so on. I'd struggle to believe that the majority of people actively travelling into town as a destination in itself aren't already using undertaking at least part of the journey on public transport or on foot currently though. It seems almost impossible from an infrastructure point of view that wouldn't be the case.

[superfurryhibby]

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Birmingham ULEZ fines


The standard penalty charge is £120 and you have up to 28 days to pay the standard charge from the date of issue of the PCN

https://www.bumper.co/blog/ulez-cities-uk

ow much is the Birmingham CAZ charge?
The Birmingham CAZ costs £9 for non-compliant petrol and diesel cars. This is operated 24/7 on every day of the year. Larger vehicles such as buses and HGVs pay £50.

Just as the ULEZ, the charging period runs from midnight to midnight, meaning you’ll have to pay £18 if your journey extends past midnight.

How to pay the Birmingham CAZ charge?
The general gov.uk clean air zone portal is the best tool for checking and paying CAZ charges. It allows you to pay up to 6 days before and after the journey.

To check if your car will be charged, and pay the Birmingham CAZ fee, use the gov.uk website.

[superfurryhibby]

Took the bus to my office today. 1hour and six minutes door to door, from the Inch to Victoria Quay. That was with me watching the live app and leaving with only a 5 minutes waiting time. There was a ten minute walk at the end of the trip.

My observations were that the slow speed was mostly caused by waiting at bus stops with people alighting and queues of buses at the same stop, traffic wasn't very heavy at all.

By contrast my car journey would have been around 30 mins tops door to door. I'll not be taking the bus again anytime soon.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Took the bus to my office today. 1hour and six minutes door to door, from the Inch to Victoria Quay. That was with me watching the live app and leaving with only a 5 minutes waiting time. There was a ten minute walk at the end of the trip.

My observations were that the slow speed was mostly caused by waiting at bus stops with people alighting and queues of buses at the same stop, traffic wasn't very heavy at all.

By contrast my car journey would have been around 30 mins tops door to door. I'll not be taking the bus again anytime soon.

According to Google maps you could do it by bike in 30 minutes. 🚲😉

[Stairway 2 7]

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According to Google maps you could do it by bike in 30 minutes. 🚲😉

Close to 20 minutes by electric bike, heard Edinburgh is close to getting getting a new bike sharing system set up with lots of them electric which should be good

[wookie70]

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Took the bus to my office today. 1hour and six minutes door to door, from the Inch to Victoria Quay. That was with me watching the live app and leaving with only a 5 minutes waiting time. There was a ten minute walk at the end of the trip.

My observations were that the slow speed was mostly caused by waiting at bus stops with people alighting and queues of buses at the same stop, traffic wasn't very heavy at all.

By contrast my car journey would have been around 30 mins tops door to door. I'll not be taking the bus again anytime soon.

I live in Midlothian and my office is at Meadowbank. An average bus journey would be 90 minutes and cost the price of a day ticket, maybe around a fiver. My car would take around 30 minutes and cost about 2 quid in fuel(servicing etc won't cost extra as it is done once a year but brakes etc would have additional cost) and to cycle it would take around 35-40 minutes. Walking would be around 3 hours. I think a reasonably fit runner would beat the bus quite easily. I would rule out walking on time, rule out running on fitness and would only ever take the bus if my car and bike were out of commission. It is slow, uncomfortable and a horrible way to travel. Imo bus journeys are the lowest form of transport so I avoid if possible.

I used to cycle to work unless the weather was terrible but that stopped with the Borders railways stealing the initial part of my route. Still waiting to see the promised replacement of all the routes that were lost. I'm lucky to now work from home and apart from Hibs and any photography jobs I avoid Edinburgh as much as possible. If the city was designed around cycling and buses and it banned the vast majority of vehicles then I think that would work well. As it is it is the worst of all scenarios for all forms of transport.

[Pretty Boy]

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I live in Midlothian and my office is at Meadowbank. An average bus journey would be 90 minutes and cost the price of a day ticket, maybe around a fiver. My car would take around 30 minutes and cost about 2 quid in fuel(servicing etc won't cost extra as it is done once a year but brakes etc would have additional cost) and to cycle it would take around 35-40 minutes. Walking would be around 3 hours. I think a reasonably fit runner would beat the bus quite easily. I would rule out walking on time, rule out running on fitness and would only ever take the bus if my car and bike were out of commission. It is slow, uncomfortable and a horrible way to travel. Imo bus journeys are the lowest form of transport so I avoid if possible.

I used to cycle to work unless the weather was terrible but that stopped with the Borders railways stealing the initial part of my route. Still waiting to see the promised replacement of all the routes that were lost. I'm lucky to now work from home and apart from Hibs and any photography jobs I avoid Edinburgh as much as possible. If the city was designed around cycling and buses and it banned the vast majority of vehicles then I think that would work well. As it is it is the worst of all scenarios for all forms of transport.

I used to walk or run to my old workplace and the latter was much quicker than the bus (30 mins v about 45 mins). Walking was not that much slower. On a good day it was a 12-15 minute drive. I chose to walk or run most days as it was personal preference, even in the cold of winter it was usually more pleasant than the bus.

I'm now about 12 miles from work so walking is really out of the question. (from a time rather than fitness perspective) I currently get the train some days, Brunstane to Waverley then on to Edinburgh park, which is about half an hour all in including connections if you time it right. Add another 10-15 minutes total for walking either end. That's about £4.20 return so on a par with the prices of the bus. Driving is about 25 minutes at the times I drive in, it would be longer if I was at rush hour but I start early and finish early. I've cycled once so far and that was about 50 minutes and was pleasant enough, will definitely do it more in the summer months.

I've tried 3 different buses and the quickest I have managed is 70 minutes not including the walk at either end. That basically means getting up at 4.45 if I want to make work for 7 or 3.45 if I want to do the gym first. One is a single decker only route as well so even at non peak times is totally rammed. I appreciate the need to use public transport more and become less reliant on private cars but public transport just isn't in a good enough place for any sudden increase in demand. Edinburgh has a pretty decent bus service as well, I've lived places far worse off so god only knows what people in those places must think. I will use the bus, there's no snobbery or whatever involved, I just find them slow, unpleasant and increasingly unreliable which means if I really can't afford to be late for something I would explore all other options first.

[superfurryhibby]

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Close to 20 minutes by electric bike, heard Edinburgh is close to getting getting a new bike sharing system set up with lots of them electric which should be good

20 mins my erchie. Why even bother making stuff up...... made me laugh though.

I cycled lots, even to VQ. 30 minutes is about right. It's mostly downhill to Leith, certainly after Newington. Of course, then you need to change , shower etc at the end of your journey. Then there is all the kit I carry. Laptop, mobile phones, packed lunch, towel, clothes etc.

No advantage really on an electric bike and not everyone can afford one either.

I'll be taking the car.

[Stairway 2 7]

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20 mins my erchie. Why even bother making stuff up...... made me laugh though.

I cycled lots, even to VQ. 30 minutes is about right. It's mostly downhill to Leith, certainly after Newington. Of course, then you need to change , shower etc at the end of your journey. Then there is all the kit I carry. Laptop, mobile phones, packed lunch, towel, clothes etc.

No advantage really on an electric bike and not everyone can afford one either.

I'll be taking the car.

Google is usually close to spot on with cycling times I've found and it says 28 minutes journey, I find electric bikes knock of a third compared to my city bike or my car in town. I did ocean terminal to King's buildings similar distance at just over 20 minutes this week. You nip to the front of traffic and sit at its 16mph limit most of the way. You can get anything you want in saddle bags and your keeping fit and help save the planet. Electric bikes journeys are similar and faster than most journeys in the city, will be much faster through the city if the driving restrictions come in to the centre

You've called me and Oz a liar today just because we have disagreed with the one who knows, some lad

[superfurryhibby]

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Google is usually close to spot on with cycling times I've found and it says 28 minutes journey, I find electric bikes knock of a third compared to my city bike or my car in town. I did ocean terminal to King's buildings similar distance at just over 20 minutes this week. You nip to the front of traffic and sit at its 16mph limit most of the way. You can get anything you want in saddle bags and your keeping fit and help save the planet. Electric bikes journeys are similar and faster than most journeys in the city, will be much faster through the city if the driving restrictions come in to the centre

You've called me and Oz a liar today just because we have disagreed with the one who knows, some lad

Calm down. If Oz doesn't like anything I've said , |I sure they are well able to speak for themselves.....unless of course you and they are in fact one person.

You initially said the journey would be 20 mins, someone else said that Google said 30 mins, you now say 28 mins on Google and 20 mins from your experience. I know from travelling from VQ to the Inch for years that it can't be done in 20 mins though, even on my motorcycle. I'll trust my own experience on this one over yours.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Google is usually close to spot on with cycling times I've found and it says 28 minutes journey, I find electric bikes knock of a third compared to my city bike or my car in town. I did ocean terminal to King's buildings similar distance at just over 20 minutes this week. You nip to the front of traffic and sit at its 16mph limit most of the way. You can get anything you want in saddle bags and your keeping fit and help save the planet. Electric bikes journeys are similar and faster than most journeys in the city, will be much faster through the city if the driving restrictions come in to the centre

You've called me and Oz a liar today just because we have disagreed with the one who knows, some lad

A pedalec was my best investment last year. I work pretty much bang in the centre of Berlin but live about 10km outside of town. I used to cycle both ways but hated the waste of time it took to shower and change twice a day, now I cycle to the next train station from my village and take the train into work and then cycle home. Bike/train takes about 55 minutes and the cycle home about 75 minutes but the 20 minutes is acceptable because I've exercised 75 minutes in total. ¾ of the journey is on decent cycle paths about half of which are like bike motorways next to the rail lines with no need to stop at lights or junctions. If I want to get a good workout I just need to travel faster than 25kph and the electric motor cuts out or if I want an easy ride then I can cruise at under that speed with little effort.

[Stairway 2 7]

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What are you talking about? I don't agree with you, that's all. Sounds like you're being a bit of a drama queen.

There's disagreeing and saying people are making stuff up. There's no drama here the site is full of opinions and mine is as wrong as any other its but Friday and I'm meeting the box of toys, have a braw weekend

[Ozyhibby]

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There's disagreeing and saying people are making stuff up. There's no drama here the site is full of opinions and mine is as wrong as any other its but Friday and I'm meeting the box of toys, have a braw weekend

That’s what I’m doing? Wait, hang on a minute…..


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[superfurryhibby]

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There's disagreeing and saying people are making stuff up. There's no drama here the site is full of opinions and mine is as wrong as any other its but Friday and I'm meeting the box of toys, have a braw weekend

You two, have a good one.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.streetsaheadedinburgh.or...school-streets
More car free zones being implemented.


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[speedy_gonzales]

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https://www.streetsaheadedinburgh.or...school-streets
More car free zones being implemented.


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I don't have a massively strong opinion either way about these schemes but there's zero point installing them if there's no enforcement.
The one around Gylemuir Primary was regularly ignored by parents that knew better and this morning I was nearly taken out by a PHC that turned in to Barton Mains Wynd (Juniper Green PS) on the wrong side of the road to get around the planter that's placed there.

[jamie_1875]

I saw a post from a local councillor saying 95% of vehicles are already compliant. Does it make business sense to develop a scheme costing millions for the 5%?

Generally if you have 95% compliance then most people would say job done.

[Ozyhibby]

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I saw a post from a local councillor saying 95% of vehicles are already compliant. Does it make business sense to develop a scheme costing millions for the 5%?

Generally if you have 95% compliance then most people would say job done.

Nobody would admit it but I imagine the infrastructure is being put in place to increase the conditions on vehicles as time goes by.


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[Edina Street]

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I saw a post from a local councillor saying 95% of vehicles are already compliant. Does it make business sense to develop a scheme costing millions for the 5%?

Generally if you have 95% compliance then most people would say job done.

It doesn't.

And I don't want to get on my high horse about this subject as I might have a bias regarding this subject due to a vested interest that clouds my judgement and has me crying first and researching and thinking later.

However I truly believe that the council are actually not stupid, and would not spend millions on going after the 5%.

I suspect that they are merely using the fact that 95% of people will not give two hoots about the 5% and will not campaign against the installment of Cameras that will later be used against the 95% that don't have electric cars.

But then, perhaps even if that were true, it might not be a bad thing in order to save the planet.

[SteveHFC]

Elm Row left turn ban to be lifted. Great news.

[speedy_gonzales]

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Elm Row left turn ban to be lifted. Great news.

Does this mean that pedestrians are going to have a much longer wait to cross(this was one of the main reasons given for the current sequence)?

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/gla...-in-ten-months

Hope they fund more cycle ways with the money.


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[Berwickhibby]

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https://news.stv.tv/west-central/gla...-in-ten-months

Hope they fund more cycle ways with the money.


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Fleecing motorists …lawful robbery in my opinion

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/new-pol...cross-scotland

60% support for the ULEZ in Scotland 👍

[Ozyhibby]

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https://news.stv.tv/scotland/new-pol...cross-scotland

60% support for the ULEZ in Scotland

Beware of noisy minorities.


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https://news.stv.tv/scotland/new-pol...cross-scotland

60% support for the ULEZ in Scotland

600 people from a survey conducted by an Asthma charity is hardly a majority of Scottish people, sounds like one of Edinburgh councils consultation schemes!

[Ozyhibby]

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600 people from a survey conducted by an Asthma charity is hardly a majority of Scottish people, sounds like one of Edinburgh councils consultation schemes!

Fake news.


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