SNP are lying b******s as well !

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If Forbes has any brains then she'll rule herself out asap and keep her powder dry for another day. If the big wigs are backing Swinney publicly then that is who they want and there seems little to be gained by going against that; particularly with a poor election showing (by recent standards) in the pipeline. A single candidate probably suits them SNP heirarchy as they can play the unity card.

She has the reason of a young family. Rule herself out at this time, pledge support to the new leader and take a frontline job if offered and prove herself, once again, to be competent and charismatic.

Swinney, should it be him, won't last long and that's the time to act. Losing out to him and/or pissing off the high head yins probably leaves her in the wilderness. I'd say the same of almost anyone with aspirations going forward. Anyone standing against Flynn in the medium term can use his backing/the coronation of Swinney against him. In the short term it feels like a lose lose.

That’s probably about right. She would probably win among the members but that’s no good if your colleagues want someone else. Whoever wins needs both constituencies.


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Be honest, if this was Sunak standing down forcing another leadership selection (or even if Starmer was ousted), the SNP followers on here would be pointing to it as a shambles.

Oh you're right, it is a shambles. The difference being that if it was Sunak, the papers wouldn't run it, the BBC wouldn't mention it and the next day we'd all be talking about something else.

[Keith_M]

This is probably a bit controversial, but I think I'd prefer somebody that doesn't have particularly strong religious views/leanings.

I'm not meaning this as a dig at people that have religions like Islam or the Free Church, as that is their right, it's just that we now live in a mostly secular society and we need somebody in charge that reflects that.

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Mhairi Black anyone??

[Paul1642]

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Mhairi Black anyone??

That’s move wouldn’t gain a single vote from anyone who wouldn’t vote SNP regardless. Labour are still pretty uninspiring despite their decent polling, and Tory’s are in freefall and their vote is going to plummet. I think a large percentage electorate’s votes are still up for grabs and if the SNP appoint the right person they can still win the election with ease.

Salmond and Sturgeon gained votes from non independence oriented voters by appealing to the average Scot and I really don’t think Hughes can do that.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Swinney would be like a Sam Allerdyce appointment. He is of course a very capable politician, but I would guess that if he took charge, the burning question would be when is he going to leave.

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This is probably a bit controversial, but I think I'd prefer somebody that doesn't have particularly strong religious views/leanings.

I'm not meaning this as a dig at people that have religions like Islam or the Free Church, as that is their right, it's just that we now live in a mostly secular society and we need somebody in charge that reflects that.

Pretty bigoted that though. I'm not religious but to say no Muslim should be FM is Pretty messed up. I don't think Humza, Sarwar or Forbes would put religion in the way at all.

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Swinney would be like a Sam Allerdyce appointment. He is of course a very capable politician, but I would guess that if he took charge, the burning question would be when is he going to leave.

Swinney is dug meat. He probably knows he's a fall guy. No as bad as Gilruth, Gray, Mcallan continuity puppets, but utterly awful. With a fair wind and huge luck he might get near the 27 MPs he got last time but it's doubtful.

Swinney said it was game playing for the tories to install a new leader without calling an election so I assume there will be one soon. Sturgeon said it was an democratic imperative so she will back Swinney asking for Scottish elections.

Or the trough might be too delicious

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Oh you're right, it is a shambles. The difference being that if it was Sunak, the papers wouldn't run it, the BBC wouldn't mention it and the next day we'd all be talking about something else.

Absolute truth

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Been thinking about starting a thread for Reform UK. But I haven't done it yet, and this post is tangentially about Yousaf, I'll post it here.

How's this for overt racism?

Yousaf, born in Rutherglen
Kahn, born in Tooting, London
Habib, born in Karachi.

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Been thinking about starting a thread for Reform UK. But I haven't done it yet, and this post is tangentially about Yousaf, I'll post it here.

How's this for overt racism?

Yousaf, born in Rutherglen
Kahn, born in Tooting, London
Habib, born in Karachi.

I think him being Pakistani and the other two makes it not, although he is ****ing abhorrent regardless. If a white person said two white people are the same is that racist I don't know

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Flynn sounding positive that the deal with the greens ended, he's on the newsagents tonight, saying he's surprised they are polling 1%. Although talking pish when he says he and Forbes too young to be leader. Only a couple of years younger than Humza who he supported and is he to young to be Westminster leader then.

Looks like old guard around continuity union bloggers like these islands going in for the kill against Forbes tonight too

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Been thinking about starting a thread for Reform UK. But I haven't done it yet, and this post is tangentially about Yousaf, I'll post it here.

How's this for overt racism?

Yousaf, born in Rutherglen
Kahn, born in Tooting, London
Habib, born in Karachi.

Woke hell. Dribbling idiot.

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Both Westminster and Hollyrood on three PM/FM’s in the one electoral term. Shambolic.

Scottish Labour have had 10 Leaders since 2014.

SNP have had 2.

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Oh you're right, it is a shambles. The difference being that if it was Sunak, the papers wouldn't run it, the BBC wouldn't mention it and the next day we'd all be talking about something else.

What are you actually talking about? If Sunak resigned the media wouldn't cover it? Really?

[marinello59]

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What are you actually talking about? If Sunak resigned the media wouldn't cover it? Really?

Sunak?
Has Truss gone?

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What are you actually talking about? If Sunak resigned the media wouldn't cover it? Really?

No that's not what I'm saying.

[stantonhibby]

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No that's not what I'm saying.

Do tell

[superfurryhibby]

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This is probably a bit controversial, but I think I'd prefer somebody that doesn't have particularly strong religious views/leanings.

I'm not meaning this as a dig at people that have religions like Islam or the Free Church, as that is their right, it's just that we now live in a mostly secular society and we need somebody in charge that reflects that.

There's nothing controversial about saying that at all.

[Jack]

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This is probably a bit controversial, but I think I'd prefer somebody that doesn't have particularly strong religious views/leanings.

I'm not meaning this as a dig at people that have religions like Islam or the Free Church, as that is their right, it's just that we now live in a mostly secular society and we need somebody in charge that reflects that.

In normal circumstances we never find out what the religious views are of our representatives.

Do we even know what the religious beliefs are of any other MSP or MP?

Unless she was to stand on a ticket on banning washing being hung out anywhere in Scotland on a Sunday then it should be no more of an issue than any other persons religion or no religion.

[marinello59]

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This is probably a bit controversial, but I think I'd prefer somebody that doesn't have particularly strong religious views/leanings.

I'm not meaning this as a dig at people that have religions like Islam or the Free Church, as that is their right, it's just that we now live in a mostly secular society and we need somebody in charge that reflects that.

I don’t really care what religion anybody is. We all form our values based on influences from a wide number of sources whether we are religious or not. Ruling out a group of people from political office because they are in the minority doesn’t sound very progressive either.

[Ozyhibby]

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Pretty bigoted that though. I'm not religious but to say no Muslim should be FM is Pretty messed up. I don't think Humza, Sarwar or Forbes would put religion in the way at all.

I said 'pretty strong religious views', plus I apply this to all and any religions.

I also respect the rights of people to follow whatever religion they choose

I'm not sure where you're getting the bigoted bit from,

[Ozyhibby]

Forbes looking likely to run and announce in next 24hrs.
Probably just be her and Swinney. Will be an interesting battle.


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I said 'pretty strong religious views', plus I apply this to all and any religions.

I also respect the rights of people to follow whatever religion they choose

I'm not sure where you're getting the bigoted bit from,

I was probably too harsh as you said you would just prefer. But I'd say it's bigoted to say a devout Muslim or Catholic shouldn't lead the country.

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In normal circumstances we never find out what the religious views are of our representatives.

Do we even know what the religious beliefs are of any other MSP or MP?

Unless she was to stand on a ticket on banning washing being hung out anywhere in Scotland on a Sunday then it should be no more of an issue than any other persons religion or no religion.

There is a long association between politicians, morality, faith and values. There seems to be an enduring link between senior politicians in the UK and USA and Christian faith.

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I don’t really care what religion anybody is. We all form our values based on influences from a wide number of sources whether we are religious or not. Ruling out a group of people from political office because they are in the minority doesn’t sound very progressive either.

Is that not very subjective? There are religious groups with beliefs that we would not consider as acceptable to someone seeking high political office. Can a politician who openly draws inspiration from their faith be considered progressive at all, minority or otherwise. Is there not irony in the point that all faiths are now minority groups in an increasingly secular Britain. Perhaps it could be argued that religious faith has had far too great an influence on our society?

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I said 'pretty strong religious views', plus I apply this to all and any religions.

I also respect the rights of people to follow whatever religion they choose

I'm not sure where you're getting the bigoted bit from,

I'm not sure either, there seems to be a bit of assumption or misinterpretation around what you said.

As someone who rejects the notion of any god, I find it quite absurd that faith manages to cling onto some kind of respectability when applied to those in public office. It's such a convention to assume that belief somehow makes for better people than those who reject religion.

[superfurryhibby]

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I was probably too harsh as you said you would just prefer. But I'd say it's bigoted to say a devout Muslim or Catholic shouldn't lead the country.

What if you believe that some of the fundamental beliefs of those faiths are in themselves toxic and deeply bigoted?

I think you're being too quick to label people here.

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What if you believe that some of the fundamental beliefs of those faiths are in themselves toxic and deeply bigoted?

I think you're being too quick to label people here.

Who's a religious fundamentalist Yousaf, Forbes? Religious fundamentalists that believe in religious law are the 0.1% and the daily mail can throth about them. Most religious people abide by our laws and freedoms. What other jobs should religious people be banned from, doctors, judges, civil service.

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Mhairi Black anyone??

In a heartbeat. One of very few politicians on either side of the divide or indeed any UK parliament that actually tells it like it is. Is she not quitting politics?

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In a heartbeat. One of very few politicians on either side of the divide or indeed any UK parliament that actually tells it like it is. Is she not quitting politics?

She is.


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