SNP are lying b******s as well !

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BBC Scotland understands Peter Murrell has resigned his SNP membership.

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BBC Scotland understands Peter Murrell has resigned his SNP membership.

As he should.


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[Keith_M]

“A 59-year-old man has today, Thursday 18 April 2024, been charged in connection with the embezzlement of funds from the Scottish National party.


Finally, some action.

If he actually has been involved in embezzlement, then he should be prosecuted.

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If there was an actual green party focused on green policy and independence I might vote for them, these nutters nah

This sums up my political feeling in a nutshell. It thoroughly annoys me that these idiots play their games under the name of the Greem Party, potentially depriving us of of an actually competent Green Party who could appeal to the many who want climate action without the polarising politics which only appeal to a small minority.

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My guess is he will be the only person charged.
Like you say, innocent until proven guilty but looks like the law taking its course regardless of how powerful the person under suspicion is.

If he's guilty, then presumably Sturgeon must have known about it. Finding him guilty, even if he's the only one charged, will do enormous damage to the SNP and Sturgeon's legacy. IMO. Hugely disappointing.

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If he's guilty, then presumably Sturgeon must have known about it. Finding him guilty, even if he's the only one charged, will do enormous damage to the SNP and Sturgeon's legacy. IMO. Hugely disappointing.

Sturgeons knowledge is key to any lasting damage. It appears the SNP is the victim given the charges brought.


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I bet breakfast is a barrel of laughs in the Murrell/Sturgeon household this morning.

I'm just glad there is some kind of resolution now. It's in the hands of the PF and the judiciary and just like anyone else Murrell will now be tried in front of a jury of his peers. I daresay finding a jury without preconceptions or prejudices won't be the easiest job in the world, he's probably equally unpopular regardless of what side of the constitutional debate you are on right now.

I think the political fallout largely hinges on how much NS knew or indeed didn't know. I would assume once any criminal proceedings are completed and if there is a guilty verdict then there will be an enquiry within the SNP to determine such things. If she comes out of it well then her legacy and reputation may survive and any damage to the party in terms of votes may be minimised. Making the process as transparent as possible and owning any failures would probably help as well. If she comes out of it badly or there is any hint of obstruction or a lack of transparency around the process then it could be hugely damaging.

A whole host of if and but there of course and I'm sure the process has a way to run yet.

[Stairway 2 7]

Definitely not wise for Humza to have went big with the continuity candidate during leadership election. If he's guilty the SNP have to distance and slam Murrell. It'll effect the SNP in these elections and I think Humza is gone regardless.

The next leader should be from the new school and they will rightly be able to separate the party from the past.

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Definitely not wise for Humza to have went big with the continuity candidate during leadership election. If he's guilty the SNP have to distance and slam Murrell. It'll effect the SNP in these elections and I think Humza is gone regardless.

The next leader should be from the new school and they will rightly be able to separate the party from the past.

Not to mention the fact that he can’t get on top of the job. He is getting pushed around all over the place. I doubt Yousaf survives this past the election.


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I bet breakfast is a barrel of laughs in the Murrell/Sturgeon household this morning.

I'm just glad there is some kind of resolution now. It's in the hands of the PF and the judiciary and just like anyone else Murrell will now be tried in front of a jury of his peers. I daresay finding a jury without preconceptions or prejudices won't be the easiest job in the world, he's probably equally unpopular regardless of what side of the constitutional debate you are on right now.

I think the political fallout largely hinges on how much NS knew or indeed didn't know. I would assume once any criminal proceedings are completed and if there is a guilty verdict then there will be an enquiry within the SNP to determine such things. If she comes out of it well then her legacy and reputation may survive and any damage to the party in terms of votes may be minimised. Making the process as transparent as possible and owning any failures would probably help as well. If she comes out of it badly or there is any hint of obstruction or a lack of transparency around the process then it could be hugely damaging.

A whole host of if and but there of course and I'm sure the process has a way to run yet.

It's difficult to believe she didn't know what was going on (assuming something was going on) given she was the party leader and it was her husband doing the alleged embezzlement. She also has a legal background so she can't really claim ignorance in that respect. Her not knowing would suggest very weak leadership on her part in any case.

I think even in the event of a not guilty verdict (assuming it gets to court) her reputation is shot. The best she can hope for IMO is that the charges are dropped.

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I hope it goes to court and we actually get to see what evidence of criminality there allegedly is, so we can actually make our own judgement on this high profile and expensive investigation.

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I hope it goes to court and we actually get to see what evidence of criminality there allegedly is, so we can actually make our own judgement on this high profile and expensive investigation.

It'll most likely be in court during the next general election .

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I bet breakfast is a barrel of laughs in the Murrell/Sturgeon household this morning.

I'm just glad there is some kind of resolution now. It's in the hands of the PF and the judiciary and just like anyone else Murrell will now be tried in front of a jury of his peers. I daresay finding a jury without preconceptions or prejudices won't be the easiest job in the world, he's probably equally unpopular regardless of what side of the constitutional debate you are on right now.

I think the political fallout largely hinges on how much NS knew or indeed didn't know. I would assume once any criminal proceedings are completed and if there is a guilty verdict then there will be an enquiry within the SNP to determine such things. If she comes out of it well then her legacy and reputation may survive and any damage to the party in terms of votes may be minimised. Making the process as transparent as possible and owning any failures would probably help as well. If she comes out of it badly or there is any hint of obstruction or a lack of transparency around the process then it could be hugely damaging.

A whole host of if and but there of course and I'm sure the process has a way to run yet.

Her reputation was holed beneath the waterline following her appearance at the Covid enquiry.
If Murrell is found guilty it won’t really matter whether it is established that she knew what her husband was up to, the video previously released of her shutting down any discussion about the party finances will be replayed constantly.
A guilty verdict will definitely damage the party. Murrell was at the top of the tree for over a decade. Having a husband and wife team heading up the party of Government together never looked to clever and several senior party members suggested that Murrell should stand down, advice which was ignored. In hindsight that looks arrogant.
I feel a lot of sympathy for Nicola Sturgeon here. My gut feeling is that if Murrell is guilty she had no knowledge at all. We know about some of the items that were removed from the family home and we can only assume that they were given to her as gifts from her husband. She will have sufffered enough already, her husband being charged can only have made things worse. I hope she has a strong circle of close friends to get her through this.

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I heard a legal expert describing embezzlement as having lots of level of seriousness. From taking a fiver out of the till to buy milk and then repaying it all the way up to stealing millions with no intentions of repayment. We'll have to wait and see.

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Pure speculation of course but I’m minded to think that the £600k thing just turned into a thread that was pulled that ended up revealing rather more murky goings on than expected.

We know for a fact that there was a serious lack of transparency around the SNP finances (see multiple previous resignations saying as such) and I wonder rather than classic embezzlement for personal gain this may turn out to be more of an inappropriate use of funds type charge.

As for Nicola’s knowledge of said goings on…we shall have to wait n see. Still under investigation according to Plod. We may of course never get to find out, just like we may of course never see the current charge get to court.

A rather sorry mess though that’s for sure and one that should and could have been avoided by the removal of the often stated conflicts of interest that were tolerated for far too long.

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Pure speculation of course but I’m minded to think that the £600k thing just turned into a thread that was pulled that ended up revealing rather more murky goings on than expected.

We know for a fact that there was a serious lack of transparency around the SNP finances (see multiple previous resignations saying as such) and I wonder rather than classic embezzlement for personal gain this may turn out to be more of an inappropriate use of funds type charge.

As for Nicola’s knowledge of said goings on…we shall have to wait n see. Still under investigation according to Plod. We may of course never get to find out, just like we may of course never see the current charge get to court.

A rather sorry mess though that’s for sure and one that should and could have been avoided by the removal of the often stated conflicts of interest that were tolerated for far too long.

Your second paragraph is where I'm at. This all started with someone (not an snp member) who was miffed that his donation to the indyref2 campaign was used for other purposes. But would any political party be likely to leave £660k in the bank doing nothing?

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Your second paragraph is where I'm at. This all started with someone (not an snp member) who was miffed that his donation to the indyref2 campaign was used for other purposes. But would any political party be likely to leave £660k in the bank doing nothing?

The law states “Embezzlement is when a person who is entrusted to manage another person's money or property steals some or all of that money or property for personal gain.” Suggests to me that he did not use funds for other official Party use. If he is innocent then I imagine there will be a huge civil suit with a huge compensation pay out at the taxpayers expense.

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I heard a legal expert describing embezzlement as having lots of level of seriousness. From taking a fiver out of the till to buy milk and then repaying it all the way up to stealing millions with no intentions of repayment. We'll have to wait and see.

I wonder how much he got paid for that level of insight.

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The Scottish Greens have called an extraordinary general meeting to discuss the future of the Bute House Agreement after the Scottish government ditched key climate change targets.

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The Scottish Greens have called an extraordinary general meeting to discuss the future of the Bute House Agreement after the Scottish government ditched key climate change targets.

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Hopefully it happens.

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The Scottish Greens have called an extraordinary general meeting to discuss the future of the Bute House Agreement after the Scottish government ditched key climate change targets.

The two Green ministers will be gutted to lose their ministerial salaries. , they are for going nowhere. We need a decent Green Party in Scotland, not the one we have dominated by these two incompetent careerists. They’ve both been a shameful waste of public money.

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The two Green ministers will be gutted to lose their ministerial salaries. , they are for going nowhere. We need a decent Green Party in Scotland, not the one we have dominated by these two incompetent careerists. They’ve both been a shameful waste of public money.

Every time I read Andy Wightman on Twitter I am reminded what a loss he was to the frontline Green movement in Scotland. He was shamefully dismissed by many as a non entity and whatever else because he dared disagree with the Scottish Government on a policy issue. The treatment he received from some in his own party was a disgrace.

His writings on land ownership and the failings of government on that issue are excellent, he directly links it to climate issues. He's also brilliant at linking such issues to the housing crisis. His regular reminders that the Scottish Government have promised an integrated travel card for well over a decade now with at least 3 launches saying as much are quite amusing albeit with a serious point. He also writes well about the failings of the independence movement and the mistaken belief that faith alone can drive it home.

Harvie and Slater are the worst kind of gesture politicians with a vindictive streak in them to boot. The party under their leadership has seen what can only be called a purge of those who don't toe the line. They need a reset with a genuine focus on ecology and a common sense and sustainable vision for the green movement. The natural environment in Scotland should be at the heart of what they do, largely because it impacts so many other issues. For the last few years it quite simply hasn't been the case.

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Every time I read Andy Wightman on Twitter I am reminded what a loss he was to the frontline Green movement in Scotland. He was shamefully dismissed by many as a non entity and whatever else because he dared disagree with the Scottish Government on a policy issue. The treatment he received from some in his own party was a disgrace.

His writings on land ownership and the failings of government on that issue are excellent, he directly links it to climate issues. He's also brilliant at linking such issues to the housing crisis. His regular reminders that the Scottish Government have promised an integrated travel card for well over a decade now with at least 3 launches saying as much are quite amusing albeit with a serious point. He also writes well about the failings of the independence movement and the mistaken belief that faith alone can drive it home.

Harvie and Slater are the worst kind of gesture politicians with a vindictive streak in them to boot. The party under their leadership has seen what can only be called a purge of those who don't toe the line. They need a reset with a genuine focus on ecology and a common sense and sustainable vision for the green movement. The natural environment in Scotland should be at the heart of what they do, largely because it impacts so many other issues. For the last few years it quite simply hasn't been the case.

Andy Wightman and his thoughts on Land Ownership are similar, if a bit less radical, to mine. I simply cannot understand why they haven't become mainstream and a way to drive Independence through

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Progressive taxation will only result in people moving down to England to avoid it.


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[Pretty Boy]

Poor Humza has had a bit of a mare with his comments on the Post office scandal and prosecutions.

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Poor Humza has had a bit of a mare with his comments on the Post office scandal and prosecutions.

That’s because he is an idiot …over promoted and should be nowhere near the First Minister position

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Poor Humza has had a bit of a mare with his comments on the Post office scandal and prosecutions.

The man is completely incompetent but it does make a change from him constantly talking about religion, the sooner he’s gone the better.

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https://www.scottishfinancialnews.co...-than-it-loses

People voting with their feet.


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https://www.scottishfinancialnews.co...-than-it-loses

People voting with their feet.

It's almost as if real people think there's more to life than the precise level of tax they pay. Who knew?