Hamas attack on Israel

[Stairway 2 7]

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Where are you getting those numbers from?

Oren Liebermann on CNN quoting US officials, nor sure the accuracy. He says US forces say they confirmed they shot over 70 drones and 3 balistic missles over Jordan. UK, Saudi,
Jordanian and Israeli take downs too, dozens of videos of iron dome air defenses working all night. IDF tweeted they shot down 99% of hundreds of drones but no exact figures.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Where are you getting those numbers from?

NY Times saying Israel quoting them the same figures 331

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/13/world/israel-iran-gaza-war-news

[stokesmessiah]

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NY Times saying Israel quoting them the same figures 331

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/13/world/israel-iran-gaza-war-news

Thanks for your responses. I was watching it unfold online last night….there seemed to be footage of quite a lot of hits, but it was on X so I was taking it with a bag of salt.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Thanks for your responses. I was watching it unfold online last night….there seemed to be footage of quite a lot of hits, but it was on X so I was taking it with a bag of salt.

Yeah I saw pictures of a fire in Tehran, the pictures were confirmed from 2021. Think a lot of accounts just want to be first with news before checking it elsewhere.

One missle did hit Jordan after being shot down and another in Iraq that I've seen videos of. Loads of explosions in the sky from air defenses too.

NBC are saying that Biden wants Israel to take this as a win and not retaliate rashly, says US has confirmed it won't take part in offensive strikes on Iran. Think Netanyahu will appease the right wing and attack though

[Moulin Yarns]

My question is, why is the UK defending Israel? should we get drawn into a middle east conflict? Why did we not do that to protect the people of gaza?

[Stairway 2 7]

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My question is, why is the UK defending Israel? should we get drawn into a middle east conflict? Why did we not do that to protect the people of gaza?

Of course UK should defend Israel so is Muslim countries like SA and Jordan. We should defend other countries we don't too but that is separate Ukraine, Palestine, Syria. The reason why, is Iran would raise Israel to the ground just like the evil Israeli government are doing in Palestine. Germany and the US should stop giving Israel offensive weapons as they are genocidal but the UK should still send defensive weapons.

Institute for the study of war says almost 9000 rockets have been fired at Israel since October 7th mostly unguided bombs, IDF says over 12k. Only a warped person would want the hundreds of thousands of deaths that could cause without defences

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Of course UK should defend Israel so is Muslim countries like SA and Jordan. We should defend other countries we don't too but that is separate Ukraine, Palestine, Syria. The reason why, is Iran would raise Israel to the ground just like the evil Israeli government are doing in Palestine. Germany and the US should stop giving Israel offensive weapons as they are genocidal but the UK should still send defensive weapons.

Institute for the study of war says almost 9000 rockets have been fired at Israel since October 7th mostly unguided bombs, IDF says over 12k. Only a warped person would want the hundreds of thousands of deaths that could cause without defences

Funnily enough it’s more like the other way round. Britain’s Sky Sabre system is based on Iron Dome and delivered by Israeli defence company Rafael. They also produce a number of counter drone technologies for the global market.

https://des.mod.uk/des-sky-sabre-bri...y-air-defence/

I guess it’s one of the reasons we don’t stop trading with Isreal.

J

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Funnily enough it’s more like the other way round. Britain’s Sky Sabre system is based on Iron Dome and delivered by Israeli defence company Rafael. They also produce a number of counter drone technologies for the global market.

https://des.mod.uk/des-sky-sabre-bri...y-air-defence/

I guess it’s one of the reasons we don’t stop trading with Isreal.

J

It wasn't air defenses most were downed by jets, it was the RAF that shot the missles down using fighter jets this time supposedly 30 missles, along with France, US, Jordan and Saudi. We sent air to air defenses previously although the number is tiny, it's basically Germany and the US that arms Israel. This is what the RAF should be used for in joint efforts. That's separate from the fact we are not interested when it's Iranian drones hitting Ukraine or Israeli missles hitting Palestine

We just spent 500 million on missle defense systems from America. 2 years ago I'd say it was a disgusting waste of money, I'd be wrong. These drones will get cheaper and fly further every year

[JimBHibees]

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My question is, why is the UK defending Israel? should we get drawn into a middle east conflict? Why did we not do that to protect the people of gaza?

My exact thought though appreciate may not be aware of full context of attack

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My question is, why is the UK defending Israel? should we get drawn into a middle east conflict? Why did we not do that to protect the people of gaza?

That would require troops on the ground. Are you suggesting we have British soldiers taking on Israeli forces alongside Hamas? And how would that help the innocent civilians caught up in this tragedy?

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It wasn't air defenses most were downed by jets, it was the RAF that shot the missles down using fighter jets this time supposedly 30 missles, along with France, US, Jordan and Saudi. We sent air to air defenses previously although the number is tiny, it's basically Germany and the US that arms Israel. This is what the RAF should be used for in joint efforts. That's separate from the fact we are not interested when it's Iranian drones hitting Ukraine or Israeli missles hitting Palestine

We just spent 500 million on missle defense systems from America. 2 years ago I'd say it was a disgusting waste of money, I'd be wrong. These drones will get cheaper and fly further every year

No, I’m just saying we buy a lot of military “stuff” from the Israelis too. Not just one way. I doubt the U.K. would want to risk our new air defence system by cutting off Israeli support.

J

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Did Iran know their attack would be so easily foiled? You'd have to expect they must have, they have been in a proxy war with Israel for years so will be more than aware what they are up against.

A bit of sabre rattling trying to provoke a response to the response?

The issue now seems to be that neither side can really back down without losing face. With egomaniacs and extremists running the show in both countries it's exceptionally volatile.

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No, I’m just saying we buy a lot of military “stuff” from the Israelis too. Not just one way. I doubt the U.K. would want to risk our new air defence system by cutting off Israeli support.

J

Uk doesn't need Israeli equipment we could switch to S Korean, US Turkish ect and we've got nato. I don't think that's why we helped. It's the similar broad coalition that has been striking Iranian proxies for months just a continuation of what we've been doing. It shouldn't be a surprise we helped it's why we can't shoot cruise missles going to Ukraine or when Russia flattened Aleppo with them.

[Moulin Yarns]

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That would require troops on the ground. Are you suggesting we have British soldiers taking on Israeli forces alongside Hamas? And how would that help the innocent civilians caught up in this tragedy?

Not at all. My thoughts are why the RAF are involved in shooting down drones and missiles fired from one foreign country into another, when it chooses not to do the same with missiles and drones to and from Israel and Palestine, or Russia and Ukraine?? It just seems to be very selective.

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Not at all. My thoughts are why the RAF are involved in shooting down drones and missiles fired from one foreign country into another, when it chooses not to do the same with missiles and drones to and from Israel and Palestine, or Russia and Ukraine?? It just seems to be very selective.

It’s not that hard if you move beyond the luxury of adopting a simple black or white viewpoint from our place of safety here
Every military action has risks and consequences, it’s worthwhile pausing and thinking about what they may be and whether that action would be seen as defensive or offensive.

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Not at all. My thoughts are why the RAF are involved in shooting down drones and missiles fired from one foreign country into another, when it chooses not to do the same with missiles and drones to and from Israel and Palestine, or Russia and Ukraine?? It just seems to be very selective.

Wouldn't be able to shoot them down going to Palestine as they are completely different weapons. They are short distance across the border shot from jets and mlrs. The cruise missles Iran shot took 20 minutes to travel and the drones about 8 hours. As for Ukraine appeasement just like every other decision same for Syria

[Moulin Yarns]

I wonder if our trade with Israel compared to our trade with Iran may have some bearing?

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Did Iran know their attack would be so easily foiled? You'd have to expect they must have, they have been in a proxy war with Israel for years so will be more than aware what they are up against.

A bit of sabre rattling trying to provoke a response to the response?

The issue now seems to be that neither side can really back down without losing face. With egomaniacs and extremists running the show in both countries it's exceptionally volatile.

Iran could have struck in a number of ways. The fact they chose something so easily repelled, and that is was so clearly coming makes me wonder if they actually want all out war. They also made statements saying they consider the matter closed.

Imo for domestic reasons they had to take some action after the Israeli consulate bombing. If not they would look weak and it would potentially endanger the regime.

So they've taken action but I suspect they now would be quite happy to go back to the proxy war that's been playing out for years.

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I wonder if our trade with Israel compared to our trade with Iran may have some bearing?

Our trade with Russia dwarfed our trade with Israel and Ukraine so I don't think that stacks up

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Iran could have struck in a number of ways. The fact they chose something so easily repelled, and that is was so clearly coming makes me wonder if they actually want all out war. They also made statements saying they consider the matter closed.

Imo for domestic reasons they had to take some action after the Israeli consulate bombing. If not they would look weak and it would potentially endanger the regime.

So they've taken action but I suspect they now would be quite happy to go back to the proxy war that's been playing out for years.

The UN should have taken action against Israel. Surely you can't go bombing diplomatic missions of your enemies in foreign countries without consequences, no matter who you might think is in the building. That act of aggression alone makes Israel no better than other terrorist states.

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Did Iran know their attack would be so easily foiled? You'd have to expect they must have, they have been in a proxy war with Israel for years so will be more than aware what they are up against.

A bit of sabre rattling trying to provoke a response to the response?

The issue now seems to be that neither side can really back down without losing face. With egomaniacs and extremists running the show in both countries it's exceptionally volatile.

From what I've read from commentators in the area this wasn't the usual token drone strike to signal it was an unprecedented attack. When Qassem Soleimani was assassinated the fired 15 missles at US bases, when they did a retaliation attack on Saudi in 2019s aramco attack it was 25 drones and missiles, they fired over 300 at Israel including 120 ballistic missles without warning and 20 minutes to impact.

They tried to overwhelm Israels air defenses. When their drones strike Ukraine they usually get 10% through so would have hoped for some hits. I think they were surprised at the fact Saudi and Jordanian jets were hitting before they even got to Israel and allowing us jets into their airspace.

I agree with alot of this analysis. Israels air defenses couldn't cope on its own against hezbollah and Iranian strikes of hundreds of drones and rockets. Also on the power of having nuclear weapons. If you get appeasement and support if you have them, more and more nations are going to try and get them

https://twitter.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1779439439204565373

[Stairway 2 7]

Saudi Arabian Royal family spokesman says to the state broadcaster than Iran has engineered the war in gaza to push the ending of growing normalisation of relations from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and Israel. They are probably right there is no other reason Hamas would have carried out the suicidal slaughter in October. Israel is just doing as its always done utter genocide. Everyone let Iran fund proxies whilst turning a blind eye and crossing their fingers

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...n-with-israel/

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Saudi Arabian Royal family spokesman says to the state broadcaster than Iran has engineered the war in gaza to push the ending of growing normalisation of relations from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and Israel. They are probably right there is no other reason Hamas would have carried out the suicidal slaughter in October. Israel is just doing as its always done utter genocide. Everyone let Iran fund proxies whilst turning a blind eye and crossing their fingers

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...n-with-israel/

The reality is that all Iran can do is use proxies. They have been sanctioned since 1979. Their air force and Navy would be annihilated by any one of their neighbours. It is in worse condition than the Russians. Their drones are pretty easily stopped given their 8 hour fly time. They have a large standing army but that’s mostly needed to keep the regime in power domestically. And they don’t share a border with Isreal. They have no other way of attacking Isreal than what they just tried and it was easily dealt with. The fact is that Iran has no way of escalating from here other than closing the straight of Hormuz. In any war, Iran will lose and lose quickly.


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The UN should have taken action against Israel. Surely you can't go bombing diplomatic missions of your enemies in foreign countries without consequences, no matter who you might think is in the building. That act of aggression alone makes Israel no better than other terrorist states.

The UN Security Council contains us, America, China and Russia as permanent members. Every move either direction gets vetoed and blocked.

J

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state TV in Iran were showing a clip of a huge fire in Israel they said that had been hit by a missile

it was actually a video clip of a fire in Chile in February

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state TV in Iran were showing a clip of a huge fire in Israel they said that had been hit by a missile

it was actually a video clip of a fire in Chile in February

Sure it wasn't Niddrie?

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The UN should have taken action against Israel. Surely you can't go bombing diplomatic missions of your enemies in foreign countries without consequences, no matter who you might think is in the building. That act of aggression alone makes Israel no better than other terrorist states.

I agree completely. The Iranian regime are horrendous but one of the few accepted international norms amongst good good actors is that consulates are untouchable.

It's usually militia, rouge states and terrorists that carry out attacks like that.

It was so obviously an attempt by the Israeli's to provoke Iran, distract from Gaza and get the West back on side. And sadly it's worked.

[Ozyhibby]

Great article on how misinformation is spread online.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-...bing/103708210

Apologies, wrong thread.

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Great article on how misinformation is spread online.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-...bing/103708210

Apologies, wrong thread.

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That's mad and must have been horrifying for Cohen. You can expect that from the troll accounts but utterly shocking for 7 news to do that. JHB just shows herself up as expected

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The UN Security Council contains us, America, China and Russia as permanent members. Every move either direction gets vetoed and blocked.

J

France?