Housing

[Ozyhibby]

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"Here, as in the US, we have been lured into a fruitless debate about supply. There is a confected dispute between anti-housebuilding “nimbys” and pro-housebuilding “yimbys”, led by energetic planning-law abolitionists, which seeks to distract us from talking about the ultimate sources of the housing crisis. The supply issue continues to dominate the discourse despite the US having more homes per capita than at any point in its history, and the UK’s homes-per-capita ratio actually exceeds the US’s.

The yimby argument has always seemed flimsy. Its strange logic is that speculative developers would build homes in order to devalue them: that they would somehow act against their own interests by producing enough surplus homes to bring down the average price of land and housing. That would be surprisingly philanthropic behaviour"

Homes per capita?
Families are nowhere near the size they once were? People are no longer living in multi generational households?
Do you want to go back to that? Five kids sharing a bedroom?
Because that’s why home per capita doesn’t really tell us much?
And the article also states that London’s population hasn’t risen in 70 years?


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[lapsedhibee]

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I cannot see where the political will is to force the changes needed.

Does Big Housing pay political parties directly, on a register available for the public to inspect, to ensure that their interests stay protected, or is it done by nods and winks at The Garrick?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Another take.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...=share_btn_url

It's utter nonsense and similar to the guardians bizarre take on this multiple times this year. It simply goes against supply and demand to say more housing won't decrease house prices. In every city that has relaxed housing laws and built, prices have came down of course

It also doesn't factor that immigration is running at net 700k the last few years. We've got one of the smallest amount of spare homes in Europe if we don't build homelessness is going to continue to increase in the dramatic way it has. The way uk works just now people happy with a home are the ones who decide if we build homes for those who don't, I can understand the tories being NIMBY but not others.

In only 10 years 700,000 more adults are living with parents than before and over 30s living with parents has went from 8% to 11%. The number of 30 year olds owning a home has went from 65% in 1960 to 30% now

We need to build all types of homes, private rental and purchase, student homes and most importantly social housing. No party is interested because young people are the ones suffering and they don't vote I suppose

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/housebu...figures-reveal

This is what failure looks like. The SNP need to start focussing on what actually matters to people and stop all the culture war nonsense.


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[superfurryhibby]

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It's utter nonsense and similar to the guardians bizarre take on this multiple times this year. It simply goes against supply and demand to say more housing won't decrease house prices. In every city that has relaxed housing laws and built, prices have came down of course

It also doesn't factor that immigration is running at net 700k the last few years. We've got one of the smallest amount of spare homes in Europe if we don't build homelessness is going to continue to increase in the dramatic way it has. The way uk works just now people happy with a home are the ones who decide if we build homes for those who don't, I can understand the tories being NIMBY but not others.

In only 10 years 700,000 more adults are living with parents than before and over 30s living with parents has went from 8% to 11%. The number of 30 year olds owning a home has went from 65% in 1960 to 30% now

We need to build all types of homes, private rental and purchase, student homes and most importantly social housing. No party is interested because young people are the ones suffering and they don't vote I suppose

Shows us examples from British cities where what you say is borne out?

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Shows us examples from British cities where what you say is borne out?

Oz previously put up a study with about 8 different cities that had changed rules from neighbouring cities to increase housing and the prices dropped markedly in every one compared to the ones that did nothing. It's in this thread look back you commented on it im sure.

How could I show uk examples when each city is governed by the same archaic planning laws. Housebuilding is ludicrously low nationwide. We have one of the lowest amount of spare homes in Europe, the lowest amount of landlords and one of largest net immigration figures and there is some people saying we don't need massive Housebuilding. The youth staying with their parents are saying it the boomers not so much

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Oz previously put up a study with about 8 different cities that had changed rules from neighbouring cities to increase housing and the prices dropped markedly in every one compared to the ones that did nothing. It's in this thread look back you commented on it im sure.

How could I show uk examples when each city is governed by the same archaic planning laws. Housebuilding is ludicrously low nationwide. We have one of the lowest amount of spare homes in Europe, the lowest amount of landlords and one of largest net immigration figures and there is some people saying we don't need massive Housebuilding. The youth staying with their parents are saying it the boomers not so much

[superfurryhibby]

The proponents of relaxing planning restrictions and believers in the free market capacity to resolve the housing crisis are influenced by the likes of this. Clearly massively driven by ideology and anti socialist thinking from the right.

"The fashionable idea that Thatcherism caused Britain’s housing crisis is an extremely insular perspective, which assumes that state housebuilding is the norm, and deviating from it after 1980 was a crazed ideological experiment. In reality, it was postwar Britain that was the outlier, in that it relied on public housebuilding to an unusual extent. Far from being a golden age, the postwar decades were a period of relative decline, in housing as in so many other areas. We can argue about when precisely the rot set in, but it was definitely before 1980. The culprit is the planning system, and the focus on Thatcherism is a distraction. If you feel socially obliged to blame Thatcher – blame her for her failure to do anything on planning, not for the Right To Buy".

Written by HEAD OF POLITICAL ECONOMY

Dr Kristian Niemietz is the IEA's Editorial Director, and Head of Political Economy. Kristian studied Economics at the Humboldt Universität zu Berlin and the Universidad de Salamanca, graduating in 2007 as Diplom-Volkswirt (≈MSc in Economics). During his studies, he interned at the Central Bank of Bolivia (2004), the National Statistics Office of Paraguay (2005), and at the IEA (2006). He also studied Political Economy at King's College London, graduating in 2013 with a PhD. Kristian previously worked as a Research Fellow at the Berlin-based Institute for Free Enterprise (IUF), and taught Economics at King's College London. He is the author of the books "Socialism: The Failed Idea That Never Dies" (2019), "Universal Healthcare Without The NHS" (2016), "Redefining The Poverty Debate" (2012) and "A New Understanding of Poverty" (2011).



His other articles quoted here give a sense of where he's coming from. Universal Healthcare without the NHS....GTF

[Ozyhibby]

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The proponents of relaxing planning restrictions and believers in the free market capacity to resolve the housing crisis are influenced by the likes of this. Clearly massively driven by ideology and anti socialist thinking from the right.

"The fashionable idea that Thatcherism caused Britain’s housing crisis is an extremely insular perspective, which assumes that state housebuilding is the norm, and deviating from it after 1980 was a crazed ideological experiment. In reality, it was postwar Britain that was the outlier, in that it relied on public housebuilding to an unusual extent. Far from being a golden age, the postwar decades were a period of relative decline, in housing as in so many other areas. We can argue about when precisely the rot set in, but it was definitely before 1980. The culprit is the planning system, and the focus on Thatcherism is a distraction. If you feel socially obliged to blame Thatcher – blame her for her failure to do anything on planning, not for the Right To Buy".

Written by HEAD OF POLITICAL ECONOMY

Dr Kristian Niemietz is the IEA's Editorial Director, and Head of Political Economy. Kristian studied Economics at the Humboldt Universität zu Berlin and the Universidad de Salamanca, graduating in 2007 as Diplom-Volkswirt (≈MSc in Economics). During his studies, he interned at the Central Bank of Bolivia (2004), the National Statistics Office of Paraguay (2005), and at the IEA (2006). He also studied Political Economy at King's College London, graduating in 2013 with a PhD. Kristian previously worked as a Research Fellow at the Berlin-based Institute for Free Enterprise (IUF), and taught Economics at King's College London. He is the author of the books "Socialism: The Failed Idea That Never Dies" (2019), "Universal Healthcare Without The NHS" (2016), "Redefining The Poverty Debate" (2012) and "A New Understanding of Poverty" (2011).



His other articles quoted here give a sense of where he's coming from. Universal Healthcare without the NHS....GTF

I’m massively in favour of freeing up the planning system, especially denser living in cities. I’m also in favour of a massive expansion in the building of state housing.
I don’t think any party is serious about either issue.
Arguing about ideologies is a waste of time.


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I’m massively in favour of freeing up the planning system, especially denser living in cities. I’m also in favour of a massive expansion in the building of state housing.
I don’t think any party is serious about either issue.
Arguing about ideologies is a waste of time.


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Nah, the guy is profoundly ideologically motivated, that informs his argument.

Planning does need reform, particularly to allow individuals more freedom to build there own homes in rural areas.

I agree with that. I also agree that there seems to be no political will in Britain to tackle the housing crisis through building social housing (no surprise, given the main parties are effectively cheeks of the same Neo-Liberal erse).

I think there our views probably part ways :-) .

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/patrickharvie/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Here is a man who can’t learn a lesson. Fresh from forcing Scottish rents up faster than anywhere else in the UK, he’s going to try and do it all again.


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[RyeSloan]

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https://x.com/patrickharvie/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Here is a man who can’t learn a lesson. Fresh from forcing Scottish rents up faster than anywhere else in the UK, he’s going to try and do it all again.


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Quite a feat so far…lambasted by Shelter Scotland and the Association of Landlords. Bravo!

[Ozyhibby]

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Quite a feat so far…lambasted by Shelter Scotland and the Association of Landlords. Bravo!

Must take a special type of confidence in yourself always being right to be able to ignore all the evidence around you and plough on anyway.


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Must take a special type of confidence in yourself always being right to be able to ignore all the evidence around you and plough on anyway.


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I had a fascinating chat with a pal who is a relatively senior Green Party insider a few weeks back and who isn't a fan of their leadership. There's apparently next to no internal division about the rent freeze policy they are trying to set in stone. It's expected to impact across all types of properties in the private rented sector, the vast majority of which are flats.

The person I was speaking with then asked me what type of tenure and property I thought the vast majority of Green Party membership live in...

[Ozyhibby]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nJfQwDt-A...og-iOsDMdKXfuW


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[superfurryhibby]

"This housing emergency has been decades in the making, and one born out of political choices. Through long-term, insufficient regulation in the private rented sector, Scotland has seen an extortionate rise in private rents year-on-year: rises which far exceed both inflation and wage increases. This is a trend across the UK, and Scotland’s people need to see parliament’s devolved powers on housing meaningfully put to work.

While the unaffordability of renting is a historical problem, the cost of living crisis has made the pressures on tenants far more acute. In the past year rents across Scotland increased by 14.3%, amounting to an average rent of £841 per month. Open market rent is significantly higher at an average of £1097 per month. This pressure is heightened in urban areas, with Greater Glasgow rents rising by 22.3%. In Lothian rents rose by 18.4% in the last year. It is important to note that these significant above-inflation rent hikes happened in the context of Scottish private rental sector stock increasing in number by 5,000 properties since Aug 2022.

We know that unaffordable rents are a major driver of poverty. Housing is the largest financial outgoing in most households, and while low pay is the main cause of escalating poverty rates, our market-driven housing system is the main driver of both poverty and wealth. Scotland’s lowest paid workers are forced to pay a significant proportion of their incomes on rent, with those on the minimum wage paying 50% or more of their take home pay, often on poor quality, badly insulated housing. When measured against the existing repairing standard in 2019, 50% of Scotland’s housing stock - across all tenures - had disrepair to a critical element.

This pressure is exacerbated by over a decade of wage stagnation and increasing costs for essentials including energy, fuel, food, and childcare. This further impacts on poverty levels. An estimated 11% of households in poverty were experiencing ‘very low’ food security – meaning that meals were skipped, or food intake reduced because the family could not afford enough food. The Scottish Government must deliver affordable, secure, quality housing in both the private and social sector if it is serious about achieving its 2030 poverty reduction targets.

The scale of this housing emergency has also placed considerable strain on our already-struggling local services. Local authorities in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Argyll and Bute have stated that they cannot fulfil their statutory duties of housing all who present homeless. Ensuring that everyone has access to a safe and affordable home is vital for alleviating pressure on other local services. The 2024 Scottish Homelessness Monitor suggests that homelessness will rise by 33% in Scotland this year.

With bold leadership and vision, this can be prevented. We ask that you introduce a national rent cap until the introduction of permanent and robust rent controls. Tenants across Scotland cannot afford to wait for change. The proposed ‘transitional’ rent adjudication measures announced in January are confusing and difficult to enforce. As a result we will see people facing unaffordable rent increases up and down the country, which will act as de facto evictions and push more people into poverty.

You have the power to address this crisis. We urge you to consider the emergency that tenants are facing post March 2024 and intervene before it reaches every local authority in Scotland".

https://www.livingrent.org/living_re...ch_open_letter

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https://youtube.com/shorts/nJfQwDt-A...og-iOsDMdKXfuW

The fact that the IEA agrees so exactly with you tends to make me question your long-standing view on this subject!

[superfurryhibby]

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The fact that the IEA agrees so exactly with you tends to make me question your long-standing view on this subject!

Hugely influenced by right wing, Neo-Liberal thinking.

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Hugely influenced by right wing, Neo-Liberal thinking.

IEA are the ones doing the influencing. Didn't they put Truss up to her great experiment with the UK economy?

[Ozyhibby]

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IEA are the ones doing the influencing. Didn't they put Truss up to her great experiment with the UK economy?

Right wing, left wing doesn’t really matter. What matters here is what works. There are zero successful rent cap system anywhere in the world. All they do is kill house building stone dead.
Try not to worry about who is saying what and look at the problem itself.
If price caps worked, why don’t we use them for everything? Shouldn’t we cap the price of a pint of milk? In fact why don’t we cap the price of all food? It’s a human right after all to eat?


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Right wing, left wing doesn’t really matter. What matters here is what works. There are zero successful rent cap system anywhere in the world. All they do is kill house building stone dead.
Try not to worry about who is saying what and look at the problem itself.
If price caps worked, why don’t we use them for everything? Shouldn’t we cap the price of a pint of milk? In fact why don’t we cap the price of all food? It’s a human right after all to eat?

UKGov regulated the price of bread in the 1910s and 1920s. A period during which we won a World War and ran an Empire. So that worked, at least.

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UKGov regulated the price of bread in the 1910s and 1920s. A period during which we won a World War and ran an Empire. So that worked, at least.

Yes and they rationed food in the Second World War and won that as well!

So anyone involved in a war just needs to cap the price of bread, bring out some ration books and hey presto they win the war and solve a housing crisis at the same time. Simples!

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UKGov regulated the price of bread in the 1910s and 1920s. A period during which we won a World War and ran an Empire. So that worked, at least.

And had to ration bread.


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IEA are the ones doing the influencing. Didn't they put Truss up to her great experiment with the UK economy?

Ozzy likes to parrot the ideas that arise from right wing think tanks and guys that have very right wing views and thinks they apply to the Scottish issues.

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Ozzy likes to parrot the ideas that arise from right wing think tanks and guys that have very right wing views and thinks they apply to the Scottish issues.

I’m sure you are about to share with us an example of successful rent cap policy from around the world? There are plenty of places which have tried it?


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I’m sure you are about to share with us an example of successful rent cap policy from around the world? There are plenty of places which have tried it?


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Germany Landlords can't raise the rent in the first 12 months and they cannot raise the rent above 15% over 3 years. Also rent cannot be more than 20% higher than comparable households in the area which is calculated every 4 years. I'm not sure of house prices over there though and whether landlords get tax relief or pay the rip off LBBT we have here.

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Germany Landlords can't raise the rent in the first 12 months and they cannot raise the rent above 15% over 3 years. Also rent cannot be more than 20% higher than comparable households in the area which is calculated every 4 years. I'm not sure of house prices over there though and whether landlords get tax relief or pay the rip off LBBT we have here.

That’s a system that landlords could live with no problem. Not a rent cap though. And importantly it would not discourage investment in new houses.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87zgx42m5go

The Resolution Foundation think tank recently said that the most common living arrangement for an adult aged between 18 and 34 in 1997 was being in a couple with children, but now it was living with your parents.


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[superfurryhibby]

Pushed to the edge: Living Rent publishes findings from renters survey.

Some very concerning findings here, particularly around poor quality and unsafe accommodation and the impact on people's well being.

We don't need more private sector housing, Edinburgh is already bursting to the seams with new homes, most of which are unaffordable to citizens on minimum wage and low wage incomes. The green belt has been massively breached and you have to laugh at the nimby cliche. Like ordinary people have the power to object to development and have a voice that's listened to, when we know all too well the Scottish Government routinely overturn objections.

We need more social housing.


https://www.livingrent.org/pushed_to_the_edge


49.5% of private tenants have experienced a rent increase since January 2023. Just under three-quarters (73.5%) of these rent rises were limited to 3%, while the rest went up by an average of 25.7%. Higher rent increases were mostly due to landlords using loopholes in the rent cap, namely joint tenancy swaps as well as illegal rent increases following landlord pressuring a tenant.


84.2% are concerned that their landlord will increase the rent when the rent cap ends on 31 March 2024 with the majority (59.2%) expecting it will go up by 10% or higher.

More than 85% of renters concerned about their rent rising believe it will impact on their quality of life in various ways: 73.1% will have to cut back on non-essentials; 48.49% will have to cut back on essentials; 47.6% will be displaced from their neighbourhood or city; 36.9% might have to borrow money; 20.4% say they will be forced to move to another neighbourhood; 27.2% say they will be forced to leave the city altogether; 25.7% will have to take on more shifts at work; and 25.2% will be forced to take a second job.

73% of tenants said that worrying about rent increase has had an impact on their mental health (of which 46% said that worrying about rent increases has had a huge impact on their mental health).

61% of private tenants have outstanding disrepair problems in their home, averaging more than two issues per affected tenancy; 13.7% of private tenants have between 3 and 7 outstanding disrepair issues. 33.7% of private tenants are living with an outstanding structural disrepair (e.g. ceiling, windows, walls, roofs) and 31.7% of private renters are living with damp and mould. Just under half of private tenancies with disrepair experienced a rent increase after January 2023, and almost all suspect their landlord will put the rent up after 1 April 2024.

99.1% of tenants with disrepair say it has impacted their mental health. 62.2% of tenants with disrepair say it has adversely impacted their physical health. The vast majority of these health effects relate to respiratory (chest infections, asthma, colds, coughs, breathing) and skin conditions from the excessive cold, damp and mould issues tenants experience.

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Pushed to the edge: Living Rent publishes findings from renters survey.

Some very concerning findings here, particularly around poor quality and unsafe accommodation and the impact on people's well being.

We don't need more private sector housing, Edinburgh is already bursting to the seams with new homes, most of which are unaffordable to citizens on minimum wage and low wage incomes. The green belt has been massively breached and you have to laugh at the nimby cliche. Like ordinary people have the power to object to development and have a voice that's listened to, when we know all too well the Scottish Government routinely overturn objections.

We need more social housing.


https://www.livingrent.org/pushed_to_the_edge


49.5% of private tenants have experienced a rent increase since January 2023. Just under three-quarters (73.5%) of these rent rises were limited to 3%, while the rest went up by an average of 25.7%. Higher rent increases were mostly due to landlords using loopholes in the rent cap, namely joint tenancy swaps as well as illegal rent increases following landlord pressuring a tenant.


84.2% are concerned that their landlord will increase the rent when the rent cap ends on 31 March 2024 with the majority (59.2%) expecting it will go up by 10% or higher.

More than 85% of renters concerned about their rent rising believe it will impact on their quality of life in various ways: 73.1% will have to cut back on non-essentials; 48.49% will have to cut back on essentials; 47.6% will be displaced from their neighbourhood or city; 36.9% might have to borrow money; 20.4% say they will be forced to move to another neighbourhood; 27.2% say they will be forced to leave the city altogether; 25.7% will have to take on more shifts at work; and 25.2% will be forced to take a second job.

73% of tenants said that worrying about rent increase has had an impact on their mental health (of which 46% said that worrying about rent increases has had a huge impact on their mental health).

61% of private tenants have outstanding disrepair problems in their home, averaging more than two issues per affected tenancy; 13.7% of private tenants have between 3 and 7 outstanding disrepair issues. 33.7% of private tenants are living with an outstanding structural disrepair (e.g. ceiling, windows, walls, roofs) and 31.7% of private renters are living with damp and mould. Just under half of private tenancies with disrepair experienced a rent increase after January 2023, and almost all suspect their landlord will put the rent up after 1 April 2024.

99.1% of tenants with disrepair say it has impacted their mental health. 62.2% of tenants with disrepair say it has adversely impacted their physical health. The vast majority of these health effects relate to respiratory (chest infections, asthma, colds, coughs, breathing) and skin conditions from the excessive cold, damp and mould issues tenants experience.

I agree we need more social housing.


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