Congestion charges and low emission zones

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There's more cyclists in that 3 minute clip than I have ever seen in Edinburgh

Yes, we have a long way to go.


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Yes, we have a long way to go.


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Do you think it's a case of Edinburgh not being flat enough or that people don't feel safe to cycle on these roads

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Do you think it's a case of Edinburgh not being flat enough or that people don't feel safe to cycle on these roads

Or too cold and wet?

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Do you think it's a case of Edinburgh not being flat enough or that people don't feel safe to cycle on these roads

No, I think it’s culture. It takes time to change behaviour but slowly it is happening. I’m seeing a lot more folk on bikes than I did 5 years ago.


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Do you think it's a case of Edinburgh not being flat enough or that people don't feel safe to cycle on these roads

Poor cycling infrastructure, which is improving in fairness. The rise in cycling in Edinburgh has been huge in the last 10 years, probably helped by electric bikes making the worst hills a doddle.

Amsterdam was 100% a car city before the council decided it would be a cycling city, closed roads to cars and added miles of cycling lanes. If Edinburgh closes uptown to cars as planned then cycling will rocket their

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Poor cycling infrastructure, which is improving in fairness. The rise in cycling in Edinburgh has been huge in the last 10 years, probably helped by electric bikes making the worst hills a doddle.

Amsterdam was 100% a car city before the council decided it would be a cycling city, closed roads to cars and added miles of cycling lanes. If Edinburgh closes uptown to cars as planned then cycling will rocket their

Not really seeing a huge rise in cyclists tbh, I think you’re exaggerating the level of increase, same with e-bikes. There are more but still massively outnumbered by conventional bikes.

There’s no comparison between Amsterdam and Edinburgh, one is opretty flat and already had a strong cycle culture, always has done. The other is a very hilly city with a miserable windy climate.

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Not really seeing a huge rise in cyclists tbh, I think you’re exaggerating the level of increase, same with e-bikes. There are more but still massively outnumbered by conventional bikes.

There’s no comparison between Amsterdam and Edinburgh, one is opretty flat and already had a strong cycle culture, always has done. The other is a very hilly city with a miserable windy climate.

I’d imagine the weather isn’t great in Scandinavia and yet they cycle far more than us.


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I’d imagine the weather isn’t great in Scandinavia and yet they cycle far more than us.


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What about London in February in the rain, look what happens when you put in good cycling infrastructure

https://twitter.com/CS3Count/status/1757898106266595708

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What about London in February in the rain, look what happens when you put in good cycling infrastructure

https://twitter.com/CS3Count/status/1757898106266595708

London cycle lanes are absolutely mobbed.


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I’d imagine the weather isn’t great in Scandinavia and yet they cycle far more than us.


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I think in your imagination is about right.

Maybe their cities are less hilly or maybe you’re just saying anything for the sake of being contrary?

Comparison between cycling in a city built on hills and one that is largely flat is not a great starting point. That’s before you take into account a climate that is very different. Amsterdam is warmer, drier and as a result, much more cycle friendly than Edinburgh.

I suspect your lack of insight comes from not really having much experience of cycling in Edinburgh? Anyone who has actually done this knows that the hills and weather are a challenge.

Amsterdam is a city I have known well for many decades, cycling has always been a huge part of city life. Whilst there is potential to make Edinburgh more cycle friendly, it’s never going to become as widespread as it is in the Dam.

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Anyone who has actually done this knows that the hills and weather are a challenge.

Edinburgh hills would probably be an insurmountable challenge for the sit-up-and-beg bikes that many flat-city people ride, but with the right gearing on bikes the hills are really not that scary. Largely single-digit percentage inclines.

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I think in your imagination is about right.

Maybe their cities are less hilly or maybe you’re just saying anything for the sake of being contrary?

Comparison between cycling in a city built on hills and one that is largely flat is not a great starting point. That’s before you take into account a climate that is very different. Amsterdam is warmer, drier and as a result, much more cycle friendly than Edinburgh.

I suspect your lack of insight comes from not really having much experience of cycling in Edinburgh? Anyone who has actually done this knows that the hills and weather are a challenge.

Amsterdam is a city I have known well for many decades, cycling has always been a huge part of city life. Whilst there is potential to make Edinburgh more cycle friendly, it’s never going to become as widespread as it is in the Dam.

I had to check a couple of online resources to reassure myself, but there isn't a massive difference in weather between Edinburgh & Amsterdam, no more than a few degrees when it comes to min/max average temps. Same goes for precipitation. Wind is a bit bigger difficult to measure but both are temperate/maritime climates.
As someone who is a utility cyclist (only cycle to work/back) I found wind and hills were the enemy but a very low level e-bike has levelled the playing field over the last year.
I love my 15 minutes (regardless of weather) commute. It's no slower than taking the car, much faster than the bus and it's good for my mental well being.

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I think in your imagination is about right.

Maybe their cities are less hilly or maybe you’re just saying anything for the sake of being contrary?

Comparison between cycling in a city built on hills and one that is largely flat is not a great starting point. That’s before you take into account a climate that is very different. Amsterdam is warmer, drier and as a result, much more cycle friendly than Edinburgh.

I suspect your lack of insight comes from not really having much experience of cycling in Edinburgh? Anyone who has actually done this knows that the hills and weather are a challenge.

Amsterdam is a city I have known well for many decades, cycling has always been a huge part of city life. Whilst there is potential to make Edinburgh more cycle friendly, it’s never going to become as widespread as it is in the Dam.

He said they cycle more in Scandinavia which is colder than us and you continued to speak about Amsterdam the greatest cycling city in the world. 30% of travel in Copenhagenis by bike a massive number although its much colder and with heavier snow in winter, it also has and about the same amount of rain as us so that obviously isn't a factor.

Zurich a hilly city got its cycle rates from 2% of journeys to 8% of journeys in 10 years, it's also got almost double the rain we have that was all down to cycling infrastructure. Lisbon much hillyer than us has managed to double the cycling rate through adding miles of cycling lanes and pedestrianising. Antwerp has increased cycling 59% in 10 years, mostly due to the plan we are trying to copy in the city centre

Just comparing against Amsterdam is daft we'll never match that and aren't aiming to. We only should worry about ourselves. There is no reason that Scotland can't increase its cycling rates by double or quadruple like other wetter, hillyer and colder cities have managed

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Not really seeing a huge rise in cyclists tbh, I think you’re exaggerating the level of increase, same with e-bikes. There are more but still massively outnumbered by conventional bikes.

There’s no comparison between Amsterdam and Edinburgh, one is opretty flat and already had a strong cycle culture, always has done. The other is a very hilly city with a miserable windy climate.

In the uk in the 40s 40% of uk journeys were by bike and Holland did cycle more with 60%. It collapsed in both countries in Holland down to 20% uk totally to 1%. In Amsterdam journeys went from 25% in 1970 to 48% now

We'll probably never reach that but we should be trying to increase it as much as we can not compare ourselves to the most cycled city in the world. Spokes records city centre cycling twice a year and they say cycling numbers have doubled at commuting times, I'm not sure the accuracy but it certainly seems to be increasing massively
http://www.spokes.org.uk/2023/05/city-centre-traffic-count-bike-numbers-keep-growing/

Under 10% of bikes sold are ebikes but they must do a much higher mileage. Must be a good quarter or higher in the centre being ebikes but that's due to most delivery drivers having zoomos.

If the city centre goes car free I'm hopeful the numbers will finally make a move from the low point they are at. If we can even get 10% off cars onto bikes then that'll be thousands of miles of less carbon emissions and the NHS will be delighted too