Rugby

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

What a boot in the balls that decision is. 😢

[Bakerman]

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They were desperate not to give that.

One of the tv angles clearly showed the ball bouncing off the ground. Should have been given.

[blackpoolhibs]

That is just pure cheating, the camera clearly shows the ball bouncing off the turf.

[Itsnoteasy]

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That is just pure cheating, the camera clearly shows the ball bouncing off the turf.

So VAR disnae work at rugby either 🙄

[blackpoolhibs]

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So VAR disnae work at rugby either 🙄

[Just_Jimmy]

I'm quick to slate rugby refs but that is criminal.

Absolutely gutted

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[Mcbizz1998]

Not sure what to say about that. I feel genuinely sick, it’s hard to say that’s not cheating.

I hope Townsend calls it out in the strongest possible terms.

[blackpoolhibs]

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I'm quick to slate rugby refs but that is criminal.

Absolutely gutted

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Not sure what to say about that. I feel genuinely sick, it’s hard to say that’s not cheating.

I hope Townsend calls it out in the strongest possible terms.

I'm not the biggest rugby fan in the world, but i thought they were different to football and gave the right decisions without bias, but that today is just blatent cheating.

[grunt]

Paddy Power have given free bets for anyone who had money on Scotland to win.

[cabbageandribs1875]

ok just watched the recording, after much tooing and frooing you can clearly hear the referee then saying so i can give it, THEN the TMO changed his mind to go back yet again, who the **** was that TMO

the french would riot if that was denied in paris, but then again the TMO would have given it

[Greenbeard]

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The officials know its a try, the TMO was about to give it until he realised the rules dont allow him to give it, real pisstake, just shows VAR doesnt work in Rugby either.

Eh? Ref has to make the final decision but he can, on the advice of the TMO, change his on-field decision. (He did that earlier in the game when replays showed it was a Scotland player who last touched the ball before France grounded it over their own line, rather than the French player.)
Looked pretty conclusive to me that the ball was grounded. In fact the TMO said as much, then decides to have another look - as if someone had a word in his ear - and says it's not conclusive.
World Rugby's TMO protocol states:
"The protocol aims to deal in the space commonly defined as CLEAR & OBVIOUS. For clarity purposes, this is defined as an incident that is unlikely (my emphasis) to be refereed in anyother way."
So it does not have to be absolutely 100% conclusive that the ball was grounded. It was clear and obvious that it was likely that the ball was grounded therefore the on-field decision should have been changed and a try awarded.

[Mcbizz1998]

Feels like 2015 QF v Australia all over again. Very quickly the narrative is turning from how this was a terrible decision by a referee and TMO to - ‘sCoTlAnD oNlY hAvE tHeMsElVeS tO bLaMe!!!’

What Scotland did up to that moment is absolutely ****ing irrelevant. They got themselves in a position to win a Test match, and scored a try which wasn’t given by a truly awful referee and his Irish TMO. It’s an appalling decision, absolutely disgraceful. The TMO actually tells him it’s grounded and then changes his mind ffs. They cost Scotland a win, plain and simple.

[Just_Jimmy]

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Feels like 2015 QF v Australia all over again. Very quickly the narrative is turning from how this was a terrible decision by a referee and TMO to - ‘sCoTlAnD oNlY hAvE tHeMsElVeS tO bLaMe!!!’

What Scotland did up to that moment is absolutely ****ing irrelevant. They got themselves in a position to win a Test match, and scored a try which wasn’t given by a truly awful referee and his Irish TMO. It’s an appalling decision, absolutely disgraceful. The TMO actually tells him it’s grounded and then changes his mind ffs. They cost Scotland a win, plain and simple.

Correct. It's cheating clear and simple.

It wouldn't have happened to anyone else in the tournament apart from Italy.

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[He's here!]

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Correct. It's cheating clear and simple.

It wouldn't have happened to anyone else in the tournament apart from Italy.

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I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

[JohnM1875]

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I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

Is it a poor decision?

I'll admit, I don't really know much about rugby, only recently started watching it a few years ago after hating it at school cause we weren't allowed a football team. But the mates I watched it with today all love it and watch a lot of it.

Before the review my mate was saying it'll be reviewed but needs to be without any reasonable doubt. From what I saw not a single replay actually showed the ball touching the ground? I mean, we all thought it did. But you couldn't see it for sure?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Is it a poor decision?

I'll admit, I don't really know much about rugby, only recently started watching it a few years ago after hating it at school cause we weren't allowed a football team. But the mates I watched it with today all love it and watch a lot of it.

Before the review my mate was saying it'll be reviewed but needs to be without any reasonable doubt. From what I saw not a single replay actually showed the ball touching the ground? I mean, we all thought it did. But you couldn't see it for sure?

I thought there was one angle that showed the ball on the ground, the TMO talked himself out of it though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

"I believe it was a try," said Scotland captain Finn Russell. "But it's up to the referee."

Exasperated head coach Gregor Townsend added: "We were celebrating in the coaches' box. We could hear the TMO's conversation with the referee, saying 'the ball was on the foot, then the ball was down' and then he changes his mind and says 'stick with the on-field decision'. I don't know what you can say."

[Just_Jimmy]

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I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

Not necessarily against Scotland or Italy as malice intended, just that we're small rugby nations and easy to fob off and silence.

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[CropleyWasGod]

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Is it a poor decision?

I'll admit, I don't really know much about rugby, only recently started watching it a few years ago after hating it at school cause we weren't allowed a football team. But the mates I watched it with today all love it and watch a lot of it.

Before the review my mate was saying it'll be reviewed but needs to be without any reasonable doubt. From what I saw not a single replay actually showed the ball touching the ground? I mean, we all thought it did. But you couldn't see it for sure?

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I thought there was one angle that showed the ball on the ground, the TMO talked himself out of it though.

Does this help? The ball is in the middle of the photo, on top of some green stuff.

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Does this help? The ball is in the middle of the photo, on top of some green stuff.

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That is indeed the one. 😫

[JohnM1875]

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Does this help? The ball is in the middle of the photo, on top of some green stuff.

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Not really. They reviewed that angle

[Sylar]

I’m still utterly livid. I can’t articulate anything.

Farce.

[Mcbizz1998]

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I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

Same agenda we see in Scottish football. Smaller nations aren’t given big decisions, think the arse cheeks v anyone else in Scotland. France and England are the big 2 in the 6 nations - That try ends the frogs tournament, Berry either bottled it or cheated.

[Steve-O]

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Is it a poor decision?

I'll admit, I don't really know much about rugby, only recently started watching it a few years ago after hating it at school cause we weren't allowed a football team. But the mates I watched it with today all love it and watch a lot of it.

Before the review my mate was saying it'll be reviewed but needs to be without any reasonable doubt. From what I saw not a single replay actually showed the ball touching the ground? I mean, we all thought it did. But you couldn't see it for sure?

It is absolutely 100% on the ground.

[McD]

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Same agenda we see in Scottish football. Smaller nations aren’t given big decisions, think the arse cheeks v anyone else in Scotland. France and England are the big 2 in the 6 nations - That try ends the frogs tournament, Berry either bottled it or cheated.

Ireland are favoured for the championship, if not the slam. France have already lost a game, wales and italy not really at the races, and England looking less than settled. I’m not saying Scotland were in with a big chance of the championship, but I find it odd that we’ve brought in southern hemisphere refs, but not TMOs. Why did we have an Irish TMO, who then manages a decision that could have put us on 2 wins before any other team, where there is at least one angle showing the ball grounded, which he states clearly, then walks it back and claims there is no evidence.

Maybe it sounds paranoid, but it smells.

[JimBHibees]

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That is just pure cheating, the camera clearly shows the ball bouncing off the turf.

Nothing else but cheating wtaf. Was at the game and you could clearly see the ball on the turf in the angles they were shown on the screen. Didn't hear the chat between the ref and Irish var guy but watched the replay this morning and sounded like they were desperate not to give it. Looked also like Berry had a clear view at the time. What more evidence did they need other than seeing the ball on the turf. Chat from pundits about you need to be 100 per cent nonsense that was 100 per cent. Bit like the quarter final World Cup debacle back in the day or even some of the calls in the World Cup particularly the South African red which should have been awarded in pool game.

[JimBHibees]

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I fail to see why there would be any 'agenda' against Scotland (or Italy for that matter). It looked like a try from what I could see so it's simply a poor decision.

Big teams get decisions like every other sport. That is genuinely mind blowing that decision

[JimBHibees]

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Not really. They reviewed that angle

Which shows the ball on the ground

[JimBHibees]

Had a small bet on Scotland with Paddy power and see i was given a free bet and they called it a Justice refund.

[He's here!]

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Same agenda we see in Scottish football. Smaller nations aren’t given big decisions, think the arse cheeks v anyone else in Scotland. France and England are the big 2 in the 6 nations - That try ends the frogs tournament, Berry either bottled it or cheated.

We're hardly minnows of the game. Think we're ranked sixth in the world. And Ireland, with a smaller population, are right up there with the best on the planet. With a better organised domestic structure Scotland could come close to bridging that gap.