Hamas attack on Israel

[Ozyhibby]

Sounds like we are about to go to war with Yemen.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Sounds like we are about to go to war with Yemen.


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Won't be a war. Its a coalition with US, UK, India, Germany Australia, Japan, Sweden and others to keep the red sea open. Constant attacks from Houthi pirates and Iranian missile and drone attacks on ships and US bases. The US have been a bit weak in taking it for a month.

It all stems from Iran, Syria and Russia. Shahed drones are a huge problem for NATO

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Sounds like we are about to go to war with Yemen.

Worked for Thatch.

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Won't be a war. Its a coalition with US, UK, India, Germany Australia, Japan, Sweden and others to keep the red sea open. Constant attacks from Houthi pirates and Iranian missile and drone attacks on ships and US bases. The US have been a bit weak in taking it for a month.

It all stems from Iran, Syria and Russia. Shahed drones are a huge problem for NATO

If they set a trap we might as well walk into it.


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If they set a trap we might as well walk into it.


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People who say its just a shipping lane so what miss the point. One we should stop groups who repeatedly fire missles and hijack civilian ships as a given, its why we have a navy. Two from an ecological perspective millions of barrels of fuel will be burned in putting shipping round Africa. Three shipping costs can lead to inflation which brings poverty. Poverty equals deaths hundreds of thousands of lives lost from tories austerity shows us that and that is just uk.

Keep the shipping lanes open for civilian vessels it's important. Ukraines biggest military achievement last year was getting the black sea open for civilian vessels, the world owes them for it

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People who say its just a shipping lane so what miss the point. One we should stop groups who repeatedly fire missles and hijack civilian ships as a given, its why we have a navy. Two from an ecological perspective millions of barrels of fuel will be burned in putting shipping round Africa. Three shipping costs can lead to inflation which brings poverty. Poverty equals deaths hundreds of thousands of lives lost from tories austerity shows us that and that is just uk.

Keep the shipping lanes open for civilian vessels it's important. Ukraines biggest military achievement last year was getting the black sea open for civilian vessels, the world owes them for it

It will be interesting to see if it can be achieved by launching a few missiles back?


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It will be interesting to see if it can be achieved by launching a few missiles back?


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I doubt it will stop the Houthis in anyway as in being a military force because there won't be a ground operation or anything, rightly. But we can keep the red sea open hopefully seeing as there are a number of countries signed up.

Saying we're bombing Yemen is playing politics we're hitting a few military targets of a group that's cost thousands of Yemeni lives and is hitting civilian targets. I'd change my opinion if we copied Saudi Arabias indiscriminate bombing. We should just make sure the sea is open and civilians are unharmed and that's it

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People who say its just a shipping lane so what miss the point. One we should stop groups who repeatedly fire missles and hijack civilian ships as a given, its why we have a navy. Two from an ecological perspective millions of barrels of fuel will be burned in putting shipping round Africa. Three shipping costs can lead to inflation which brings poverty. Poverty equals deaths hundreds of thousands of lives lost from tories austerity shows us that and that is just uk.

Keep the shipping lanes open for civilian vessels it's important. Ukraines biggest military achievement last year was getting the black sea open for civilian vessels, the world owes them for it

I’ll put my hands up here and state that my views may be coloured by my former career as a Merchant Seaman.
It is the duty of Goverment’s worldwide to protect civilian ships and their crews from harm to allow them to go about their lawful business. The only surprise is that it took so long for these strikes to happen.
I really wish they weren’t and that this is just part of a multi approach strategy to prevent further harm to innocent seafarers.

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I doubt it will stop the Houthis in anyway as in being a military force because there won't be a ground operation or anything, rightly. But we can keep the red sea open hopefully seeing as there are a number of countries signed up.

Saying we're bombing Yemen is playing politics we're hitting a few military targets of a group that's cost thousands of Yemeni lives and is hitting civilian targets. I'd change my opinion if we copied Saudi Arabias indiscriminate bombing. We should just make sure the sea is open and civilians are unharmed and that's it

And if the drone strikes continue? If they still threaten ships? What’s the plan? Saying we are going to stop them is like saying Isreal will wipe out Hamas. It’s not going to happen. So now we have done this and they continue, how do we escalate? Do we invade?


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And if the drone strikes continue? If they still threaten ships? What’s the plan? Saying we are going to stop them is like saying Isreal will wipe out Hamas. It’s not going to happen. So now we have done this and they continue, how do we escalate? Do we invade?


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Saying Israel will wipe out Hamas is like saying the coalition will wipe out isis. They pretty much did isis went from a nation state to a tiny group hiding in the desert. We don't escalate wee a a huge group of nations blutter anyone who tries to hijack in the area

If Ukraine on its own can open the black sea, a few dozen nations including 4 g7 can open the red sea.

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Saying Israel will wipe out Hamas is like saying the coalition will wipe out isis. They pretty much did isis went from a nation state to a tiny group hiding in the desert. We don't escalate wee a a huge group of nations blutter anyone who tries to hijack in the area

If Ukraine on its own can open the black sea, a few dozen nations including 4 g7 can open the red sea.

Isis were never that strong. They held a lot of territory for a very short time.
I admire your confidence that Hamas will be gone. I personally don’t think so and think eventually they will need to be negotiated with.
And I think opening the Black Sea and the narrow straight at the mouth of the Red Sea are slightly different.
I’d prefer we looked at the region more holistically and that starts with a two state solution with Isreal and Palestine. If not then we are constantly going round in circles. New generations of Muslims growing up hating the west.
The whole world will now have to endure higher prices now just to indulge Israel’s genocidal tendencies in Gaza. Fantastic.


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Isis were never that strong. They held a lot of territory for a very short time.
I admire your confidence that Hamas will be gone. I personally don’t think so and think eventually they will need to be negotiated with.
And I think opening the Black Sea and the narrow straight at the mouth of the Red Sea are slightly different.
I’d prefer we looked at the region more holistically and that starts with a two state solution with Isreal and Palestine. If not then we are constantly going round in circles. New generations of Muslims growing up hating the west.
The whole world will now have to endure higher prices now just to indulge Israel’s genocidal tendencies in Gaza. Fantastic.


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The Houthis situation has zero to do with Gaza, the murdering Houthis who have been slaughtering Yemenis for years would like people to group them to the Palestinian genocide but it's waffle. You can't compare the black and red sea as Russia isn't the much weaker Houthis and Ukraine aren't UK, US, Germany, India ect.

Hamas will be gone. Israel control the whole of North Gaza and are going building by building. There are full battalions being stood down and returning to Israel. The only question is who will replace Hamas

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.sky.com/story/middle-ea...-west-13046541


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[MKHIBEE]

Can Hamas be eliminated?

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/12/isra...-weigh-in.html

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Isis were never that strong. They held a lot of territory for a very short time.
I admire your confidence that Hamas will be gone. I personally don’t think so and think eventually they will need to be negotiated with.
And I think opening the Black Sea and the narrow straight at the mouth of the Red Sea are slightly different.
I’d prefer we looked at the region more holistically and that starts with a two state solution with Isreal and Palestine. If not then we are constantly going round in circles. New generations of Muslims growing up hating the west.
The whole world will now have to endure higher prices now just to indulge Israel’s genocidal tendencies in Gaza. Fantastic.


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Im in broad agreement with that, I even think that Hamas, politically, need to be involved in any post war discussions about the future of the Palestinian people.

[Keith_M]

"The brutality and inhumanity of Israel’s assault on Gaza is no surprise. It’s just what was promised"
Owen Jones - The Gaurdian

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"The brutality and inhumanity of Israel’s assault on Gaza is no surprise. It’s just what was promised"
Owen Jones - The Gaurdian

Nothing there that is any surprise, I doubt very much if anything will come of South Africa’s efforts. Unfortunately the Israeli state seems to be untouchable.

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Nothing there that is any surprise, I doubt very much if anything will come of South Africa’s efforts. Unfortunately the Israeli state seems to be untouchable.

Unfortunately Hamas make Israel untouchable.

By constantly saying they want to wipe Israel off the map and Oct 7th will be repeated, it gives Israel carte blanche to do as they wish.

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Unfortunately Hamas make Israel untouchable.

By constantly saying they want to wipe Israel off the map and Oct 7th will be repeated, it gives Israel carte blanche to do as they wish.

That's the problem; when we have two groups that think of each other as sub-human and want to annihilate each other.

If all other countries of the world condemned both groups for such hateful views, and refused to support them, then a resolution might be less difficult.

Sadly that's never going to be the case, especially when it comes to the likes of Iran and the US.

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Unfortunately Hamas make Israel untouchable.

By constantly saying they want to wipe Israel off the map and Oct 7th will be repeated, it gives Israel carte blanche to do as they wish.

American dollars and western support make them untouchable. Without that things would be very different imo.

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American dollars and western support make them untouchable. Without that things would be very different imo.

And without Iran and Iranian cash, things would be very different for Hamas and the Houthi’s.

In fact there wouldnt have been a October 7th without Iranian supprt so perhaps blaming US dollars and western support is just wrong

[Billy Whizz]

Starting to see many food shortages due to Red Sea closure and Farmers blocking roads in Germany

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And without Iran and Iranian cash, things would be very different for Hamas and the Houthi’s.

In fact there wouldnt have been a October 7th without Iranian supprt so perhaps blaming US dollars and western support is just wrong

There wouldn’t have been an October 7th if the Israelis hadn’t been murdering and oppressing Palestinians for years. To suggest otherwise is just wrong

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There wouldn’t have been an October 7th if the Israelis hadn’t been murdering and oppressing Palestinians for years. To suggest otherwise is just wrong

Yep, it’s too simplistic to say that this or that thing is the cause. This has been building for decades, and there’s a number of external players involved as well

[Stairway 2 7]

There's a wide Web of causes for both parties acting as the do. The vast majority of responsibility has to go to both evil governments though. Israel for continuing the genocide they have been committing for decades. Hamas for the brutal murder of 2000 people mostly civilians.

It won't change until both governments are gone. You can't have two sides that want the destruction of the other, staying in charge if you want a future of peace

[Stairway 2 7]

Not far away Turkey has used the cover of Israel taking all the news to increase its bombing of kurdish civilian infrastructure. Rojava has been getting annihilated the last 3 months more than usual. Won't be any marches and Erdoğan with visit the uk with smiles and hugs. The world was silent when Syria completely flattened Aleppo killing tens of thousands so its not surprising.

https://twitter.com/LindseySnell/sta...04561987502452

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There's a wide Web of causes for both parties acting as the do. The vast majority of responsibility has to go to both evil governments though. Israel for continuing the genocide they have been committing for decades. Hamas for the brutal murder of 2000 people mostly civilians.

It won't change until both governments are gone. You can't have two sides that want the destruction of the other, staying in charge if you want a future of peace

It’s good that the UK has taken a side though and giving our full support to wiping the other out.


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It’s good that the UK has taken a side though and giving our full support to wiping the other out.


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That isn't true but makes a good soundbite. Like in Syria, Turkey, Rwanda were doing what we always do nothing.

I think Starmer’s proposal was about best. Hamas give up the hostages and Israel stop bombing. Seems simple but both sides want to destroy each other.

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There's a wide Web of causes for both parties acting as the do. The vast majority of responsibility has to go to both evil governments though. Israel for continuing the genocide they have been committing for decades. Hamas for the brutal murder of 2000 people mostly civilians.

It won't change until both governments are gone. You can't have two sides that want the destruction of the other, staying in charge if you want a future of peace

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And therein lies the crux. Without a 2 state solution there is no peace for the Palestinians and the Israelis won’t accept anything that allows the Palestinians a state of their own in their desired location

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And therein lies the crux. Without a 2 state solution there is no peace for the Palestinians and the Israelis won’t accept anything that allows the Palestinians a state of their own in their desired location

I know it's disgusting and every policy for the future I've seen touted by Israel falls miles short, they are wanting a puppet leadership under their control