Hamas attack on Israel

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https://news.stv.tv/west-central/sou...nocide-in-gaza

Well done south africa.

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https://news.stv.tv/west-central/south-africa-launches-case-at-the-hague-accusing-ricaisrael-of-genocide-in-gaza

Well done south africa.

I admire the sentiment but, in reality, Isreal will just ignore any legally binding judgement that they don’t agree with. Unfortunately it’s going to take the Americans to come up with something that will force Israel’s hand and I can’t see that happening

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I admire the sentiment but, in reality, Isreal will just ignore any legally binding judgement that they don’t agree with. Unfortunately it’s going to take the Americans to come up with something that will force Israel’s hand and I can’t see that happening

The more countries thst follow what SA have done, the more difficult it will be for israel to ignore it - pretty sure sanctions and boycotts played an important role in ending apartheid there, and taking the matter to the hague might help instigate that, even if the US and UK pretend to be sacks of potatoes for as long as possible...obviously it's unlikely, but there is experience behind their actions as well as sentiment.

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The more countries thst follow what SA have done, the more difficult it will be for israel to ignore it - pretty sure sanctions and boycotts played an important role in ending apartheid there, and taking the matter to the hague might help instigate that, even if the US and UK pretend to be sacks of potatoes for as long as possible...obviously it's unlikely, but there is experience behind their actions as well as sentiment.

Things are changing in the US. Young people no longer support Isreal and there are large Muslim populations as well. That and the horrific pictures we can all see on social media mean that the tide is turning against Isreal. Biden is likely too slow to notice this happening but it’s likely to cost him in November.


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Things are changing in the US. Young people no longer support Isreal and there are large Muslim populations as well. That and the horrific pictures we can all see on social media mean that the tide is turning against Isreal. Biden is likely too slow to notice this happening but it’s likely to cost him in November.


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Not so sure about that, especially when you consider his likely opponent endorsed Israel moving their capital city to Jerusalem which was widely condemned at the time.

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Not so sure about that, especially when you consider his likely opponent endorsed Israel moving their capital city to Jerusalem which was widely condemned at the time.

I actually don’t think Trump will make the starting line.


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I actually don’t think Trump will make the starting line.


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Don't you. I hope not, but think he'll fall on his feet

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Qatari and Israeli sources have been reporting on a deal involving Hamas stepping down from power to stop the war. Saudi news are saying Hamas has agreed.

There would be a Egyptian, Qatari, Saudi and US agreed government. Hostages would be released in return for Palestinians. Israel would stop all air activities including drones, Israel would stop ground operation. Hamas would stop all attacks against Israel.

Suspect this will happen Saudi, Qatar and the US will want to go back to making money and the war is preventing growth.

It's might not happen but fair play Keir Starmer its pretty much what he was suggesting and more likely than Israel just stopping.

Hopefully it happens and in an ideal world Hamas and Israeli governments would face war crimes trials for their evil crimes to the populations, I won't hold my breath.

https://twitter.com/amaherYAH/status...76729887789124

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Qatari and Israeli sources have been reporting on a deal involving Hamas stepping down from power to stop the war. Saudi news are saying Hamas has agreed.

There would be a Egyptian, Qatari, Saudi and US agreed government. Hostages would be released in return for Palestinians. Israel would stop all air activities including drones, Israel would stop ground operation. Hamas would stop all attacks against Israel.

Suspect this will happen Saudi, Qatar and the US will want to go back to making money and the war is preventing growth.

It's might not happen but fair play Keir Starmer its pretty much what he was suggesting and more likely than Israel just stopping.

Hopefully it happens and in an ideal world Hamas and Israeli governments would face war crimes trials for their evil crimes to the populations, I won't hold my breath.

https://twitter.com/amaherYAH/status...76729887789124

Let’s hope this happens but I don’t think we should be patting anyone on the back when we have about 15,000 dead children?

Also, there is nothing in that about removing settlements from the West Bank so I doubt it gets fully implemented.

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Let’s hope this happens but I don’t think we should be patting anyone on the back when we have about 15,000 dead children?

Also, there is nothing in that about removing settlements from the West Bank so I doubt it gets fully implemented.

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There's is only condemnation to Hamas and Israel for the children. After 2000 dead Israelis the **** in Netanyahus government were always going to slaughter. I just can't get my head round Hamas doing what they did it was always going to turn out one way. I can only think of pressure from Iran and Russia for separate reasons.

After the horror there needed to be a way out that both would agree to , this seems like a way.

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Qatari and Israeli sources have been reporting on a deal involving Hamas stepping down from power to stop the war. Saudi news are saying Hamas has agreed.

There would be a Egyptian, Qatari, Saudi and US agreed government. Hostages would be released in return for Palestinians. Israel would stop all air activities including drones, Israel would stop ground operation. Hamas would stop all attacks against Israel.

Suspect this will happen Saudi, Qatar and the US will want to go back to making money and the war is preventing growth.

It's might not happen but fair play Keir Starmer its pretty much what he was suggesting and more likely than Israel just stopping.

Hopefully it happens and in an ideal world Hamas and Israeli governments would face war crimes trials for their evil crimes to the populations, I won't hold my breath.

https://twitter.com/amaherYAH/status...76729887789124

Hopefully it comes to fruition, but i have serious doubts.

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Qatari and Israeli sources have been reporting on a deal involving Hamas stepping down from power to stop the war. Saudi news are saying Hamas has agreed.

There would be a Egyptian, Qatari, Saudi and US agreed government. Hostages would be released in return for Palestinians. Israel would stop all air activities including drones, Israel would stop ground operation. Hamas would stop all attacks against Israel.

Suspect this will happen Saudi, Qatar and the US will want to go back to making money and the war is preventing growth.

It's might not happen but fair play Keir Starmer its pretty much what he was suggesting and more likely than Israel just stopping.

Hopefully it happens and in an ideal world Hamas and Israeli governments would face war crimes trials for their evil crimes to the populations, I won't hold my breath.

https://twitter.com/amaherYAH/status...76729887789124

I don’t believe you can have a government that does not, in some way, have an input from a Palestinian body, whether it be the PA, Hamas or some other recognised Palestinian organisation. Israel have already stated that they want control of the Philadelphia corridor, which if granted, gives them total control over all of the Gaza strip borders. That doesn’t sound like they will be giving up anything any time soon.

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Qatari and Israeli sources have been reporting on a deal involving Hamas stepping down from power to stop the war. Saudi news are saying Hamas has agreed.

There would be a Egyptian, Qatari, Saudi and US agreed government. Hostages would be released in return for Palestinians. Israel would stop all air activities including drones, Israel would stop ground operation. Hamas would stop all attacks against Israel.

Suspect this will happen Saudi, Qatar and the US will want to go back to making money and the war is preventing growth.

It's might not happen but fair play Keir Starmer its pretty much what he was suggesting and more likely than Israel just stopping.

Hopefully it happens and in an ideal world Hamas and Israeli governments would face war crimes trials for their evil crimes to the populations, I won't hold my breath.

https://twitter.com/amaherYAH/status...76729887789124

Is this being reported any where else? I’m not seeing it.

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Is this being reported any where else? I’m not seeing it.

Not that the have agreed that I've seen. The proposal has been widely reported but I'm dubious. US, Egypt and Saudi will be pushing for it I'd think. Iran will be the opposite they want to derail the Saudi Israel normalisation deal.

Sadly I think it'll be some Israeli puppet that is put in place, the people won't accept that

[Moulin Yarns]

High ranking Hamas official killed in Beirut, Lebanon. Are the Israelis just trying to piss every other Arab country off??

[Lendo]

Anyone else get the feeling that things are starting to slide out of control and that a much wider conflict is now inevitable?

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Anyone else get the feeling that things are starting to slide out of control and that a much wider conflict is now inevitable?

yeah - it's a really bad state of affairs when I'm relieved to see IS are behind a bombing in Iran and not Israel.

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yeah - it's a really bad state of affairs when I'm relieved to see IS are behind a bombing in Iran and not Israel.

Was that definitely IS?

I saw the reports of the attack earlier but didn't realise somebody has admitted it was them.

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Shame.


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Shame.


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I would tell him to get tae, unfortunately there are jobs at stake for many who probably sympathise with the plight of the Palestinians. So I won’t.
However, this is just another example of who social media can screw things around to suit a particular agenda.

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I would tell him to get tae, unfortunately there are jobs at stake for many who probably sympathise with the plight of the Palestinians. So I won’t.
However, this is just another example of who social media can screw things around to suit a particular agenda.

Eat at another restaurant. That way you are just supporting other jobs. There is no net loss to jobs or the economy.


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Whole thing makes no sense McDonald's are franchises. One Israeli branch gave out free food to Israeli soldiers on October 8th so people are saying boycott all McDonald's, which are private businesses. McDonald's stock is 10% up from October the 7th so not sure its working.

I burst out laughing when I saw the reason people were saying to boycott Zara. Basically Zara had a new campaign shot month ago with wrapped up manicans and art supplies. Protesters are saying it resembles Gaza, some headcases just want to protest shops on a Saturday. Pics in article
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mir...e-31649868.amp

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Whole thing makes no sense McDonald's are franchises. One Israeli branch gave out free food to Israeli soldiers on October 8th so people are saying boycott all McDonald's, which are private businesses. McDonald's stock is 10% up from October the 7th so not sure its working.

I burst out laughing when I saw the reason people were saying to boycott Zara. Basically Zara had a new campaign shot month ago with wrapped up manicans and art supplies. Protesters are saying it resembles Gaza, some headcases just want to protest shops on a Saturday. Pics in article
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mir...e-31649868.amp

McDonald’s themselves say they gave out 100k free meals to IDF so I doubt that’s one branch. And it’s McDonalds themselves who are saying the boycott is hurting them.
Stock prices can be affected by lots of different things not related to day to day business.
I hope the boycott continues.
I didn’t know about Zara but my lifetime boycott remains in place.


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McDonald’s themselves say they gave out 100k free meals to IDF so I doubt that’s one branch. And it’s McDonalds themselves who are saying the boycott is hurting them.
Stock prices can be affected by lots of different things not related to day to day business.
I hope the boycott continues.
I didn’t know about Zara but my lifetime boycott remains in place.


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The Israeli franchisee to be more accurate.

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The Israeli franchisee to be more accurate.

Given the level of control McDonalds have over all their franchisees then this is on McDonalds as a whole. They could stop it if they wanted.


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Given the level of control McDonalds have over all their franchisees then this is on McDonalds as a whole. They could stop it if they wanted.


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What level of control do they have? Off the top of my head I would have no idea, I’m impressed you know though.
Could they stop UK franchisees giving free meals to British troops for instance?

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Given the level of control McDonalds have over all their franchisees then this is on McDonalds as a whole. They could stop it if they wanted.


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No they couldn't McDonald's Israel owner paid for them himself £1 million

It was also in the days after 2000 Israelis were murdered and before the air and ground campaign slaughter had kicked off this started. Any anger should go to him if he's still feeding troops.

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In the latest case of some genocide is OK some not. South Africa days after reporting Israel to the UN for genocide, ridiculously welcome the butcher of Darfur

South African president welcomes Janjaweed militia leader Hemedti. He was personally responsible for dozens of massacres in a genocide that's estimated to have cost 500k lives and the lives of hundreds of thousands of children.

He should be up in court with Netanyahu

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Eat at another restaurant. That way you are just supporting other jobs. There is no net loss to jobs or the economy.


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Can’t remember the last time I ate at McDonald’s, my contribution to the fast food sector is miniscule

[MKHIBEE]

Israel’s plan for Gaza Strip when the stop their slaughter. Hopefully they will told by the US to ram it. It’s not up to them to decide who governs the Palestinians, it’s the Palestinians themselves who should decide.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/...-plan-for-gaza