Scottish Independence

[Stairway 2 7]

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It should oppose. A referendum is the only way to secure Independence. There are no short cuts.


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Have they said it wouldn't lead to a referendum, because as you say it must.

I like that Alba are putting their focus on independence, I feel its very much just one of many things the SNP are focused on.

Greens barely focus on independence which is understandable as the planet is an important topic, plus polling shows their voters are mixed on independence

There is space for a second vote purely independence party. Why oh why did they let Salmond front it with his baggage

[Moulin Yarns]

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Will SNP appose this or work in tandem, puts them in a difficult position

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/...70781903045057

ginadavidsonlbc
NEW: Alba Party's
@AshReganALBA
plans to introduce a referendum Bill in Holyrood- on "whether the powers of the Scottish Parliament should be extended to include the power to legislate for & negotiate independence" says it could be held exactly 10 years after 2014 poll

appose
/əˈpəʊz/
verbTECHNICAL
place (something) side by side with or close to something else.
"the specimen was apposed to X-ray film"

[Stairway 2 7]

That will be all under one banner finished, what a stupid thing to post if your trying to be a serious political force

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0...371f30c3ec358d

[Hibrandenburg]

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That will be all under one banner finished, what a stupid thing to post if your trying to be a serious political force

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0...371f30c3ec358d

Yes, it's distasteful and will rightly disgust many people. But the end? Not too sure about that. In another part of these islands we had groups striving for independence who would happily blow up and kill men women and children for decades to further their cause, I doubt that a few idiots spouting bile is going to derail the movement.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Yes, it's distasteful and will rightly disgust many people. But the end? Not too sure about that. In another part of these islands we had groups striving for independence who would happily blow up and kill men women and children for decades to further their cause, I doubt that a few idiots spouting bile is going to derail the movement.

It's no going to touch the independence movement in anyway obviously. But as I say it'll be the end for AUOB being taken serious, Pete Wishart SNP MP has just said the same.

[weecounty hibby]

AUOB sadly lost the plot a couple of years or so ago. Firmly got behind Alba and wings and for that their marches lost a whole heap of attendees including myself.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottis...der-reform-law

Court of session uphold the UK government veto on Scottish legislation.

So the question is, what is the Scottish Parliament for?

[Stairway 2 7]

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https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottis...der-reform-law

Court of session uphold the UK government veto on Scottish legislation.

So the question is, what is the Scottish Parliament for?

The things that are devolved and don't effect uk law. Scot gov knew this but wanted a battle, but it's just a second court defeat in a week with our cash

[Ozyhibby]

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The things that are devolved and don't effect uk law. Scot gov knew this but wanted a battle, but it's just a second court defeat in a week with our cash

Be nice if both our govts stopped running to court every two minutes and concentrated on the job.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Be nice if both our govts stopped running to court every two minutes and concentrated on the job.


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Tories are wanting to not have to abide by the rule of law unfortunately

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Well, things are beginning to get a little heated.

Tonight we have an unelected Tory Lord - not even an MP - telling Scotland's elected FM what he can and can't do.
And of course the lying Tory Lord is being supported by the lying Tory MSPs.

All getting a little bit tense ...

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And here's how it's being reported by our impartial BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-67675005

Foreign Secretary David Cameron has threatened to withdraw co-operation with Scottish ministers after Humza Yousaf met with Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The first minister met the Turkish president at COP28 without a UK official present, which Lord Cameron said was a breach of protocol.

It comes amid ongoing tensions between Scotland and the UK government over meetings with foreign officials.

A spokesperson for Mr Yousaf said a UK official was invited to the meeting.

[JimBHibees]

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The things that are devolved and don't effect uk law. Scot gov knew this but wanted a battle, but it's just a second court defeat in a week with our cash

This was agreed across the house though wasn’t it. Uk gov playing politics big time imo. Passing the internal bill when no one noticed to allow them to interfere in devolution was an indication of this.

[greenginger]

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This was agreed across the house though wasn’t it. Uk gov playing politics big time imo. Passing the internal bill when no one noticed to allow them to interfere in devolution was an indication of this.

If the internal markets bill was passed and nobody noticed you have got to ask what the 40 plus SNP Westminster mp’s we’re doing all day down there.

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If the internal markets bill was passed and nobody noticed you have got to ask what the 40 plus SNP Westminster mp’s we’re doing all day down there.

It was noticed, but there was nothing they could do about it. But then I expect you're fully aware of that.

[Ozyhibby]

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If the internal markets bill was passed and nobody noticed you have got to ask what the 40 plus SNP Westminster mp’s we’re doing all day down there.

That’s right. If they had voted against it we could have stopped it.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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And here's how it's being reported by our impartial BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-67675005

As more comes out, turns out the Turkish changed the meeting at the last minute. As for the other alleged meetings, is Humza Yousaf supposed to ignore everyone he bumps into at these international events??

[Stairway 2 7]

People are rightly saying Erdoğan is a complete ****bag who has constantly committed genocide on the Kurds. This is true but its ridiculous for tories to be using it against SNP as Sunak has met Erdoğan and I'm sure Starmer would too.

[Jack]

I'm of the opinion that if you don't engage with people you disagree with they're never going to change their mind. They might never change their mind anyway but at least you've tried.

[Ozyhibby]

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I'm of the opinion that if you don't engage with people you disagree with they're never going to change their mind. They might never change their mind anyway but at least you've tried.

Sometimes you don’t change their mind but come to an accommodation anyway.


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[Hibrandenburg]

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As more comes out, turns out the Turkish changed the meeting at the last minute. As for the other alleged meetings, is Humza Yousaf supposed to ignore everyone he bumps into at these international events??

The whole thing is a joke. Scotland's elected representatives requiring chaperones from a government it firmly rejected, makes an absolute mockery of our system. Our devolution resembles more the biological sense of the word than the political.

[greenginger]

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The whole thing is a joke. Scotland's elected representatives requiring chaperones from a government it firmly rejected, makes an absolute mockery of our system. Our devolution resembles more the biological sense of the word than the political.

Foreign policy is not part of the devolved Scottish Government remit as per the devolution settlement.

[Ozyhibby]

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Foreign policy is not part of the devolved Scottish Government remit as per the devolution settlement.

Other devolved parts of the UK are allowed to pitch for trade abroad? Why not Scotland?


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Other devolved parts of the UK are allowed to pitch for trade abroad? Why not Scotland?


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Don't think it was trade it was foreign policy he said he discussed. I think there should be government representatives or you get situations like when Boris met Medvedev without chaperone.

Scottish public voted against full independence, this would have been moot if they didn't want the status quo

[Just Alf]

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Other devolved parts of the UK are allowed to pitch for trade abroad? Why not Scotland?


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Other something I've always wondered... Welsh, NI, London even Yorkshire politicians head over to New York etc but is the Scottish politicians that get the slapped wrists.

In a similar vein, the Scottish deposit return scheme was chucked on the bonfire because the Westminster government said manufacturers would have to link their barcodes/ or have dual labelling to allow it to happen.
Funnily enough to enable the latest version of the NI protocol to work re no North Sea border checks for produce destined solely for domestic use within NI requires exactly that! (Dual labelling)

[Just Alf]

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Don't think it was trade it was foreign policy he said he discussed. I think there should be government representatives or you get situations like when Boris met Medvedev without chaperone.

Scottish public voted against full independence, this would have been moot if they didn't want the status quo

Was it not in context of the COP meetings?
Some of the Scottish net zero commitments are separate to Westminster's?
(I do get your general point though)

[Stairway 2 7]

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Was it not in context of the COP meetings?
Some of the Scottish net zero commitments are separate to Westminster's?
(I do get your general point though)

Humza said in particular they talked about Israel-Hamas in this meeting. Humza was in UAE for COP though.

I wouldn't have bothered if I was him it turned out to be a glorified photoshoot. UAE said they don't believe in climate change and no meaningful decisions were made, infuriating

[Just Alf]

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Humza said in particular they talked about Israel-Hamas in this meeting. Humza was in UAE for COP though.

I wouldn't have bothered if I was him it turned out to be a glorified photoshoot. UAE said they don't believe in climate change and no meaningful decisions were made, infuriating

Aye , feels like a waste of everyone's time really....

[degenerated]

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Other devolved parts of the UK are allowed to pitch for trade abroad? Why not Scotland?


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They know they can do what they want and around half of Scotland will rush to defend it staunchly.

[JimBHibees]

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They know they can do what they want and around half of Scotland will rush to defend it staunchly.

Yep how depressing