Scottish Independence

[marinello59]

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So almost half have Tory leanings, you do realise that all Tories are Unionists.

Put the consitutional issue to one side., In an Independent Scotland those who back Kate Forbes way of doing things would be fairly comfortable voting Conservative.

[marinello59]

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Economic growth isn’t Tory? Especially not the last 13 years. All parties should favour it. Labour certainly does.


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I didn't say that.
Go back and read what she said during the leadership contest and tell me that she is on the same wavelength as Sturgeon/ Yousaf when it comes to economic policy. If you think she is not to the right of them then we will have to agree to disagree.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I didn't say that.
Go back and read what she said during the leadership contest and tell me that she is on the same wavelength as Sturgeon/ Yousaf when it comes to economic policy. If you think she is not to the right of them then we will have to agree to disagree.

You didn't say to the right of Sturgeon you said she would be fine on the tories cabinet. She is pro independent, anti brexit, pro immigration, anti Rwanda, she pushed for the doubling of the Scottish child payment, pushed £15 wage for care workers, wants national care service an end to zero hours contracts

She may be to the right of Sturgeon on issues and positively ridiculous on social issues. But she is far far removed from dozens of major issues compared to the Tories and I suspect you know that

[Ozyhibby]

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You didn't say to the right of Sturgeon you said she would be fine on the tories cabinet. She is pro independent, anti brexit, pro immigration, anti Rwanda, she pushed for the doubling of the Scottish child payment, pushed £15 wage for care workers, wants national care service an end to zero hours contracts

She may be to the right of Sturgeon on issues and positively ridiculous on social issues. But she is far far removed from dozens of major issues compared to the Tories and I suspect you know that

Ta, saved me having to type it.


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[J-C]

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You didn't say to the right of Sturgeon you said she would be fine on the tories cabinet. She is pro independent, anti brexit, pro immigration, anti Rwanda, she pushed for the doubling of the Scottish child payment, pushed £15 wage for care workers, wants national care service an end to zero hours contracts

She may be to the right of Sturgeon on issues and positively ridiculous on social issues. But she is far far removed from dozens of major issues compared to the Tories and I suspect you know that

Yep, saved me typing it too.

[marinello59]

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Yep, saved me typing it too.

Well that’s me telt…. In triplicate.

[SteveHFC]

BREAKING: SNP votes to immediately start independence negotiations with the UK Government if it wins the majority of the seats at the next general election.

[Ozyhibby]

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BREAKING: SNP votes to immediately start independence negotiations with the UK Government if it wins the majority of the seats at the next general election.

That’s not what I understand? Hasn’t the policy reverted to pushing for a referendum if they win majority of seats?


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[SteveHFC]

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That’s not what I understand? Hasn’t the policy reverted to pushing for a referendum if they win majority of seats?


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It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to start separation talks with Westminster, according to the proposals.

[Moulin Yarns]

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That’s not what I understand? Hasn’t the policy reverted to pushing for a referendum if they win majority of seats?


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No it's definitely a majority of seats. Don't know where you saw it as a majority of seats? 😂😂😂

Edit. Yes, to negotiate the referendum.

[Just Alf]

I'm confused, is this mandate re asking for a referendum not what theyve already had the last few elections?

[tamig]

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I'm confused, is this mandate re asking for a referendum not what theyve already had the last few elections?

Sounds like it to me. A recycling of old proposals.

[Ozyhibby]

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I'm confused, is this mandate re asking for a referendum not what theyve already had the last few elections?

It’s a sensible move back to the only thing that can work and that is a referendum. The de-facto idea was a nonsense and it has now been killed off.
It appears as though Flynn has pulled Yousaf back from the brink to a more sensible stance.
We should only ever become independent when the majority of us want it.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/gerryhassan/status/171...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Doesn’t seem that long since Labour were telling everyone to wait and see GB’s constitution report.


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[Kato]

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https://x.com/gerryhassan/status/171...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Doesn’t seem that long since Labour were telling everyone to wait and see GB’s constitution report.


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Droopy, Wile E Coyote and Deputy Dawg.

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[Ozyhibby]

Won’t be long before people in NI start to see just how much poorer they are.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...n=wolearlyview

Fairly accurate portrayal of where we are at.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/kevinjpringle/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Support for Indy at 54%. SNP problems not hurting Indy.


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[grunt]

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https://x.com/kevinjpringle/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Support for Indy at 54%. SNP problems not hurting Indy.

What problems?

[lapsedhibee]

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What problems?

Streamgate.

[Stairway 2 7]

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https://x.com/kevinjpringle/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Support for Indy at 54%. SNP problems not hurting Indy.


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Why is ipsos constantly the opposite from every other poll. Last round of polling there was 10 no leads from 10 different company's in a row then ipsos said yes. There has been another 7 no leads then ipsos says yes. No will be ahead in all the rest unfortunately or I'll eat my glenngary

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[Ozyhibby]

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Why is ipsos constantly the opposite from every other poll. Last round of polling there was 10 no leads from 10 different company's in a row then ipsos said yes. There has been another 7 no leads then ipsos says yes. No will be ahead in all the rest unfortunately or I'll eat my glenngary

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Can’t answer your question but Ipsos are widely regarded as an industry leader and generally tend to be more accurate at elections.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Can’t answer your question but Ipsos are widely regarded as an industry leader and generally tend to be more accurate at elections.


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It's too much of an outlier and they are conducting it with scotman questions before and after. Fwiw I don't believe SNP will do as bad as the polls are saying.

[Ozyhibby]

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It's too much of an outlier and they are conducting it with scotman questions before and after. Fwiw I don't believe SNP will do as bad as the polls are saying.

https://x.com/markmcgeoghegan/status...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Stairway 2 7]

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https://x.com/markmcgeoghegan/status...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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They all look roughly the same bar yougov. But this wasn't an ipsos election poll it was a series of questions from the scotman and it depends on those questions. Multiple people hire ipsos.

The week before the independence referendum ipsos had 2 polls 1 with just under a 2% lead for no and another with a 5%. It was obviously 10% but there would have been different questions asked in the 2.

I think it's clearly far too much of an outlier. I'll wait for the next half dozen to see if the downward trajectory has changed

[Moulin Yarns]

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They all look roughly the same bar yougov. But this wasn't an ipsos election poll it was a series of questions from the scotman and it depends on those questions. Multiple people hire ipsos.

The week before the independence referendum ipsos had 2 polls 1 with just under a 2% lead for no and another with a 5%. It was obviously 10% but there would have been different questions asked in the 2.

I think it's clearly far too much of an outlier. I'll wait for the next half dozen to see if the downward trajectory has changed

Does it not say it's a poll for STV?


https://news.stv.tv/politics/majority-of-scots-think-michael-matheson-should-resign-over-ipad-data-roaming-bill



ipsos-scottish-political-monitor-may-2023-charts.pdf


Fill yer boots!

[Stairway 2 7]

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Does it not say it's a poll for STV?


https://news.stv.tv/politics/majority-of-scots-think-michael-matheson-should-resign-over-ipad-data-roaming-bill



ipsos-scottish-political-monitor-may-2023-charts.pdf


Fill yer boots!

Yep my mistake STV.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Stairway 2 7]

Will SNP appose this or work in tandem, puts them in a difficult position

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NEW: Alba Party's
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plans to introduce a referendum Bill in Holyrood- on "whether the powers of the Scottish Parliament should be extended to include the power to legislate for & negotiate independence" says it could be held exactly 10 years after 2014 poll

[Ozyhibby]

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Will SNP appose this or work in tandem, puts them in a difficult position

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/...70781903045057

ginadavidsonlbc
NEW: Alba Party's
@AshReganALBA
plans to introduce a referendum Bill in Holyrood- on "whether the powers of the Scottish Parliament should be extended to include the power to legislate for & negotiate independence" says it could be held exactly 10 years after 2014 poll

It should oppose. A referendum is the only way to secure Independence. There are no short cuts.


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