Hamas attack on Israel

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Interesting wording used when it comes to describing Palestinians compared to Isrealis.
Israelis are hostages, Palestinians are prisoners.
Isrealis are children and mothers, Palestinians are women and minors.
I expect better from RTE.


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A discussion on the language used when describing the actions of the 2 different factions.


https://www.aljazeera.com/program/in...rael-palestine

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Interesting wording used when it comes to describing Palestinians compared to Isrealis.
Israelis are hostages, Palestinians are prisoners.
Isrealis are children and mothers, Palestinians are women and minors.
I expect better from RTE.


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I guess they would say because one are hostages whilst the other have been convicted or waiting to be convicted of crimes. Whether they trials or detentions are fair is worse than doubtful knowing Israel. Israel has 140 under 18s in detention with appallingly 8 of them aged 14-16 the rest 16-18. All arrested for security breaches, which could be anything. Hopefully all get freed

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I guess they would say because one are hostages whilst the other have been convicted or waiting to be convicted of crimes. Whether they trials or detentions are fair is worse than doubtful knowing Israel. Israel has 140 under 18s in detention with appallingly 8 of them aged 14-16 the rest 16-18. All arrested for security breaches, which could be anything. Hopefully all get freed

Isreal is the only country in the world that tries children in military courts. They can get 20 years for throwing a stone

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Isreal is the only country in the world that tries children in military courts. They can get 20 years for throwing a stone

Possibly a better outcome for them than being shot to death, which I've unfortunately seen and not just this year

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Possibly a better outcome for them than being shot to death, which I've unfortunately seen and not just this year

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Several Israeli politicians and leaders have called Palestinians “sub human animals”, and thry treat them as such . Netanyahu was getting stick for allowing 1 tanker of fuel into Gaza per day. Beyond any sensible reasoning

[Stairway 2 7]

Ceasefire agreed 4 days for 50 hostages, 1 day for every further 10 hostages released. 240 hostages so could give 20 days of Ceasefire.

Releasing prisoners was always going to be the quickest route to de-escalation. I'm sure both sides will want to start up again as soon as they can but this should hopefully let the Palestinians escape.

Although Jordan has said if one Palestinians refugee is brought into Jordan via Israel they will see it as a declaration of war by Israel. With Egypt saying similar I don't see anywhere for the Palestinians to safely go

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Although Jordan has said if one Palestinians refugee is brought into Jordan via Israel they will see it as a declaration of war by Israel. With Egypt saying similar I don't see anywhere for the Palestinians to safely go

Perhaps if they all take to small boats and start landing on other countries' shores, we will hear less parroting by Western leaders of 'Israel has the right to defend itself'.

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Ceasefire agreed 4 days for 50 hostages, 1 day for every further 10 hostages released. 240 hostages so could give 20 days of Ceasefire.

Releasing prisoners was always going to be the quickest route to de-escalation. I'm sure both sides will want to start up again as soon as they can but this should hopefully let the Palestinians escape.

Although Jordan has said if one Palestinians refugee is brought into Jordan via Israel they will see it as a declaration of war by Israel. With Egypt saying similar I don't see anywhere for the Palestinians to safely go

On the day Isreal and Hamas agree a ceasefire, the Scottish Tories vote against it.


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Isreal release footage of the tunnel directly under the hospital, they enter a new shaft five foot from the hospital

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1727476410803953868

A walk through of some of the complex, air conditioning, kitchens, toilets, communication systems

https://twitter.com/breeadail/status...55806981877792

Another tunnel starting from inside a building in the hospital complex

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...86341800075366

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Isreal release footage of the tunnel directly under the hospital, they enter a new shaft five foot from the hospital

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1727476410803953868

A walk through of some of the complex, air conditioning, kitchens, toilets, communication systems

https://twitter.com/breeadail/status...55806981877792

Another tunnel starting from inside a building in the hospital complex

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...86341800075366

How have the IDF managed to build all those tunnels in such little time? They’ve only been in control of the hospital for 2-3 days 🙈

Edit…sky news have just shown some of these tunnels and said that Israel originally built them? But it’s a building a picture of Hamas using them as shields

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How have the IDF managed to build all those tunnels in such little time? They’ve only been in control of the hospital for 2-3 days

Edit…sky news have just shown some of these tunnels and said that Israel originally built them? But it’s a building a picture of Hamas using them as shields

Their usual expertise is in knocking down Palestinian houses.


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How have the IDF managed to build all those tunnels in such little time? They’ve only been in control of the hospital for 2-3 days 🙈

Edit…sky news have just shown some of these tunnels and said that Israel originally built them? But it’s a building a picture of Hamas using them as shields

Israel originally built the hospital if I remember correctly.

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How have the IDF managed to build all those tunnels in such little time? They’ve only been in control of the hospital for 2-3 days 🙈

Edit…sky news have just shown some of these tunnels and said that Israel originally built them? But it’s a building a picture of Hamas using them as shields

I'd like to see that report as I don't think anyone is saying that the new video is anything but Hamas tunnels, the design is consistent with all the other miles of tunnels. Israel updated the hospital in the 80s these are clearly being used now regardless, modern air conditioning units, phones, plumbing and tvs. Nathan Russer from bellingcat has geolocated hundreds of meters of it from the pics and videos. It travels under the hospital and off under Gaza. Israel didn't make the vast system under the city

https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1727672195101667499

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I'd like to see that report as I don't think anyone is saying that the new video is anything but Hamas tunnels, the design is consistent with all the other miles of tunnels. Israel updated the hospital in the 80s these are clearly being used now regardless, modern air conditioning units, phones, plumbing and tvs. Nathan Russer from bellingcat has geolocated hundreds of meters of it from the pics and videos. It travels under the hospital and off under Gaza. Israel didn't make the vast system under the city

https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1727672195101667499

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According to a former Israeli PM, they built the tunnels under Al Shifa. This has been rumoured for years

https://truthout.org/articles/bunker...srael-pm-says/

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How have the IDF managed to build all those tunnels in such little time? They’ve only been in control of the hospital for 2-3 days 🙈

Edit…sky news have just shown some of these tunnels and said that Israel originally built them? But it’s a building a picture of Hamas using them as shields

Think there is an enormous tunnel infrastructure under Gaza to Egypt predominantly. Has been a thriving economy in the past.

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According to a former Israeli PM, they built the tunnels under Al Shifa. This has been rumoured for years

https://truthout.org/articles/bunker...srael-pm-says/

No he said they built bunkers to extend the hospital, that was known it was full reinforced concrete. He never said they built the tunnel system. Hamas denied there was any tunnels underneath, wouldn't they say yeah there is Israel built them.

They were saying they don't exist, then when found they said it was two separate videos, they are silent now that it's obvious there is a vast tunnel network. It'll be excavated more but some will still die on the weird hill that Hamas's miles of tunnels don't go under the hospital.

Even if they weren't built by Hamas although they obviously were. They are clearly using it decades after Israel has gone and have secret entrances inside buildings

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Think there is an enormous tunnel infrastructure under Gaza to Egypt predominantly. Has been a thriving economy in the past.

Saw this estimation, they are absolutely vast and under most of Gaza city. That's no excuse for Israel to flatten the city with disregard for the lives

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No he said they built bunkers to extend the hospital, that was known it was full reinforced concrete. He never said they built the tunnel system. Hamas denied there was any tunnels underneath, wouldn't they say yeah there is Israel built them.

They were saying they don't exist, then when found they said it was two separate videos, they are silent now that it's obvious there is a vast tunnel network. It'll be excavated more but some will still die on the weird hill that Hamas's miles of tunnels don't go under the hospital.

Even if they weren't built by Hamas although they obviously were. They are clearly using it decades after Israel has gone and have secret entrances inside buildings

One would imagine that underground bunkers would need connecting to each other.

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/...-hamas-israel/

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One would imagine that underground bunkers would need connecting to each other.

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/...-hamas-israel/

That biased piece is before Israel released its new videos with the tunnels going for hundreds of meters away from the hospital. They are also the same as the other Hamas tunnels.

I saw an Al Jazeera piece yesterday saying the video released on Sunday was faked. They say it was 2 videos spliced i believe you said similar. They say the first shaft was beside the hospital then they cut to clear hamas tunnels. They have been silent since Israel released dozens of videos showing this wasn't the case and there is a labyrinth of tunnels that also goes underneath.

Regardless of when they were built they clearly have modern upgrades like aircon and telephones. They are under the hospital and have multiple exit points. The evidence gets clearer daily

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That biased piece is before Israel released its new videos with the tunnels going for hundreds of meters away from the hospital. They are also the same as the other Hamas tunnels.

I saw an Al Jazeera piece yesterday saying the video released on Sunday was faked. They say it was 2 videos spliced i believe you said similar. They say the first shaft was beside the hospital then they cut to clear hamas tunnels. They have been silent since Israel released dozens of videos showing this wasn't the case and there is a labyrinth of tunnels that also goes underneath.

Regardless of when they were built they clearly have modern upgrades like aircon and telephones. They are under the hospital and have multiple exit points. The evidence gets clearer daily

It’s gone beyond who said this and who said what. It’s difficult to argue now that Hamas aren’t using tunnels under the hospital, whoever may have built what originally. Such actions by Hamas affect the protection offered to the hospitals in times of conflict . Hamas use as a military compound does not give the Israelis carte Blanche to do what they like in and around the hospital. It’s all about “proportionality’. IMO Isreal have acted outwith reasonable proportionality. As they have done for 75 years.

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That biased piece is before Israel released its new videos with the tunnels going for hundreds of meters away from the hospital. They are also the same as the other Hamas tunnels.

I saw an Al Jazeera piece yesterday saying the video released on Sunday was faked. They say it was 2 videos spliced i believe you said similar. They say the first shaft was beside the hospital then they cut to clear hamas tunnels. They have been silent since Israel released dozens of videos showing this wasn't the case and there is a labyrinth of tunnels that also goes underneath.

Regardless of when they were built they clearly have modern upgrades like aircon and telephones. They are under the hospital and have multiple exit points. The evidence gets clearer daily

You would be hard pressed to find a piece that was not to some extent biased, neither side and its supporters can claim the moral high ground when it comes to objectivity.

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It’s gone beyond who said this and who said what. It’s difficult to argue now that Hamas aren’t using tunnels under the hospital, whoever may have built what originally. Such actions by Hamas affect the protection offered to the hospitals in times of conflict . Hamas use as a military compound does not give the Israelis carte Blanche to do what they like in and around the hospital. It’s all about “proportionality’. IMO Isreal have acted outwith reasonable proportionality. As they have done for 75 years.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that I think you'd have to be biased to say that Israel has used any proportionality or respect for human lives throughout this. People saying whatabout dresden to defeat Hitler. I'd hope if the uk had precision weapons satellite imagery and a absolutely massive military advantage they wouldn't have destroyed a city, yet here we are with Israel doing that

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Have a look at this, watch the video. This is a powerful piece. How did he get in and out though?

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https://x.com/drloupis/status/172801...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Add to the list of many heinous things the Israeli “ Defence”:force engage in daily

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organisers asked the wee fart not to appear Antisemitism protest: Tommy Robinson arrested | Watch (msn.com) but appear he did, telling the cops he was there in his role as a journalist, not quite right in the head

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organisers asked the wee fart not to appear Antisemitism protest: Tommy Robinson arrested | Watch (msn.com) but appear he did, telling the cops he was there in his role as a journalist, not quite right in the head

Tommy Robinson is an absolute *anny and I detest everything he stands for but the police treatment of him is worrying compared to some of the light touch policing of other marches.

30 odd police officers and pepper spray, he wasn’t exactly kicking off. Although his defence of journalism and free press is a bit of a joke

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Two more days added to the ceasefire.


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Tommy Robinson is an absolute *anny and I detest everything he stands for but the police treatment of him is worrying compared to some of the light touch policing of other marches.

30 odd police officers and pepper spray, he wasn’t exactly kicking off. Although his defence of journalism and free press is a bit of a joke

Shame.

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Two more days added to the ceasefire.


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That is, obviously, good news for many reasons.
However, it more people are released on both sides, the Israelis will
just arrest more Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, as they have done over the last 4 days