Hamas attack on Israel

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They lose their protection under international law if they are used for military purposes.


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of which they have yet to provide evidence. Any action taken in such circumstances has to be proportionate to the objective. If premature babies and injured civilians dying is proportionate it doesn’t speak well for humanity.

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Given how it's going I doubt many - if any - of the hostages will see daylight again.

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of which they have yet to provide evidence. Any action taken in such circumstances has to be proportionate to the objective. If premature babies and injured civilians dying is proportionate it doesn’t speak well for humanity.

https://x.com/yaaricohen/status/1724...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Sadly, given the state of the world today, we have no idea if this is genuine or not.

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Sadly, given the state of the world today, we have no idea if this is genuine or not.

Didn't look like much of a stash. Gun nuts in the US would have more weaponry.

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Sadly, given the state of the world today, we have no idea if this is genuine or not.

They will need to come up with more than that to convince me it was being used as a command centre. The Israeli army are just as likely as Hamas to peddle lies and propaganda.

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Rumours a deal brokered by Qatar and the US being considered by Israel. Hamas release 50 hostages in exchange for a limited pause.

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Rumours a deal brokered by Qatar and the US being considered by Israel. Hamas release 50 hostages in exchange for a limited pause.

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They will need to come up with more than that to convince me it was being used as a command centre. The Israeli army are just as likely as Hamas to peddle lies and propaganda.

The US also

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They will need to come up with more than that to convince me it was being used as a command centre. The Israeli army are just as likely as Hamas to peddle lies and propaganda.

I doubt anything will convince you.
Why do you think the IDF is raiding the hospital?


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I doubt anything will convince you.
Why do you think the IDF is raiding the hospital?


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Could have been bloody for them, Islamic jihads have claimed IDF lives in the hospital campus

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al-Quds Brigades of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad: "Our fighters are still engaged in fierce clashes in the vicinity of the al-Shifa Complex and confirm that there have been casualties among the enemy forces" #Gaza

IDF released geolocated video of Hamas firing an RPG from the front of the hospital so loses could be believed
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1724080276056277074

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I doubt anything will convince you.
Why do you think the IDF is raiding the hospital?


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Evidence, corroborated by an agency such as the UN or the Red Cross will do.
The Israelis believe Hamas have a command bunker under the hospital. So their intelligence says. Pity their intelligence were asleep on the 7th. Hamas have asked that outside agencies such as the Red Cross, be allowed onsite to verify the claims. Isreal have refused. Whether that is true or not I don’t know. There are 2 main factions in this ****show and neither can claim the moral high ground. The innocents on both sides will suffer the most, long after the bullets and bombs stop, and the Palestinians will suffer further and greater oppression than they do now.

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Evidence, corroborated by an agency such as the UN or the Red Cross will do.
The Israelis believe Hamas have a command bunker under the hospital. So their intelligence says. Pity their intelligence were asleep on the 7th. Hamas have asked that outside agencies such as the Red Cross, be allowed onsite to verify the claims. Isreal have refused. Whether that is true or not I don’t know. There are 2 main factions in this ****show and neither can claim the moral high ground. The innocents on both sides will suffer the most, long after the bullets and bombs stop, and the Palestinians will suffer further and greater oppression than they do now.

Hopefully Hamas are defeated and Netanyahu also, it's the only chance of peace.

I notice Netanyahu is refusing to let the PA take over. It shouldn't be that ****bags choice.

Mohammed Dahlan trying to position himself as new leader, but u don't think he has the support of the people
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231112-could-exiled-former-palestinian-leader-mohammed-dahlan-lead-gaza-after-the-israel-hamas-war?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=x&utm_source=us er

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Hopefully Hamas are defeated and Netanyahu also, it's the only chance of peace.

I notice Netanyahu is refusing to let the PA take over. It shouldn't be that ****bags choice.

Mohammed Dahlan trying to position himself as new leader, but u don't think he has the support of the people
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-e...tm_source=user

It shouldn’t but it probably will be

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It shouldn’t but it probably will be

Definitely will be they are going to fully occupy under the name of peacekeeping. They will try to do a Russia/US and put in a puppet. Its genocide as per

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Read lots of speculation. Some say Netanyahu was to focused on internal battles and culture wars. Many of the security services were moved from borders to help calm protesters. He also had lots of bad blood with his army recently saying they were in bed with the left.

Also it's looking like a lot of the planning was done Iran away from eyes

Mostly though I think terrorism is hard to stop, see 9/11 or 7/7. It's pretty easy to gun down civilians and run. It's definitely a huge red face. Sadly the ones who pay will be the innocent in the Gaza strip

No doubt the Government and opposition will be falling over themselves to offer refuge to many of those who have nowhere to live and have been displaced.

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No doubt the Government and opposition will be falling over themselves to offer refuge to many of those who have nowhere to live and have been displaced.

I'd hope so.

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https://x.com/alexjrowell/status/172...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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That's a powerful but depressing piece. Poor people have no chance

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That's a powerful but depressing piece. Poor people have no chance

That could have been written, with the same authority, by almost any one in the Gaza Strip. As you say, powerful and depressing, frighteningly so

[Stairway 2 7]

Isreal drip feeding evidence from Shifa hospital.

Drone footage from a tunnel in the hospital complex
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...84025407451613

They have also released videos of hostages being brought into the hospital by Hamas fighters. It also shows captured IDF vehicles parked at the hospital.
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...11040072474812

IDF announce two soldiers have died so they must be confident of Hamas presence if they are risking a ground operation.

This is all very separate from them flattening the rest of Gaza city indiscriminately though

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Isreal drip feeding evidence from Shifa hospital.

Drone footage from a tunnel in the hospital complex
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...84025407451613

They have also released videos of hostages being brought into the hospital by Hamas fighters. It also shows captured IDF vehicles parked at the hospital.
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...11040072474812

IDF announce two soldiers have died so they must be confident of Hamas presence if they are risking a ground operation.

This is all very separate from them flattening the rest of Gaza city indiscriminately though

Who killed the IDF soldiers in the hospital? A couple of maternity nurses? It’s clear Hamas were in the hospital.
As you say, just because Hamas commit war crimes, doesn’t give Isreal a pass.


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Isreal drip feeding evidence from Shifa hospital.

Drone footage from a tunnel in the hospital complex
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...84025407451613

They have also released videos of hostages being brought into the hospital by Hamas fighters. It also shows captured IDF vehicles parked at the hospital.
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/sta...11040072474812

IDF announce two soldiers have died so they must be confident of Hamas presence if they are risking a ground operation.

This is all very separate from them flattening the rest of Gaza city indiscriminately though

Uncorroborated evidence. The shaft and the tunnel were filmed with a break in the filming.
It is not separate from flattening Gaza indiscriminately, it’s part of the same process. They have been deliberately bombing schools, hospitals, places of safety used by Palestinians. Not because they think Hamas is using them as human shields but to ensure that no Palestinian can consider themselves safe. All allowed by many in the west, including our own government and opposition, who just repeat the mantra that “ Israel must be allowed to defend itself”. As if the previous 75 years of oppression never happened

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Uncorroborated evidence. The shaft and the tunnel were filmed with a break in the filming.
It is not separate from flattening Gaza indiscriminately, it’s part of the same process. They have been deliberately bombing schools, hospitals, places of safety used by Palestinians. Not because they think Hamas is using them as human shields but to ensure that no Palestinian can consider themselves safe. All allowed by many in the west, including our own government and opposition, who just repeat the mantra that “ Israel must be allowed to defend itself”. As if the previous 75 years of oppression never happened

I saw a big following commentator say the footage was separate and that the hospital staff would have noticed concrete getting poured. They probably did, the same way they would have noticed they Hamad terrorists bringing in hostages. They also probably value their lives. Someone sent him this separate footage of the same tunnel with concrete, he sort of says well it needs to have been used recently for it to be justified..
https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1726291665478979777/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1726291665478979777&curre ntTweetUser=EylonALevy

I don't know what's trying to be proven is it that Israel is bad we know that as they have flattened schools mosques and residential buildings with no thought of consequence. Or is it to say rapist, homophobic murderers of thousands of innocent Jews Hamas aren't bad?

It's like the Hamas bomb that hit the hospital courtyard it let's Israel say don't believe anything bad against us as Hamas was lying. The focus should be on neighbourhoods flattened

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I saw a big following commentator say the footage was separate and that the hospital staff would have noticed concrete getting poured. They probably did, the same way they would have noticed they Hamad terrorists bringing in hostages. They also probably value their lives. Someone sent him this separate footage of the same tunnel with concrete, he sort of says well it needs to have been used recently for it to be justified..
https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/statu...ser=EylonALevy

I don't know what's trying to be proven is it that Israel is bad we know that as they have flattened schools mosques and residential buildings with no thought of consequence. Or is it to say rapist, homophobic murderers of thousands of innocent Jews Hamas aren't bad?

It's like the Hamas bomb that hit the hospital courtyard it let's Israel say don't believe anything bad against us as Hamas was lying. The focus should be on neighbourhoods flattened

Ita all bad but the, mainly western agencies, attempts to dehumanise the Palestinians whilst at the same time giving the Israeli’s free hand to do whatever they like make all the hand wringing and faux sympathy stick in my craw. Call the Israel state out for what it is. They don’t seem to have a problem doing so with Hamas. Whilst more innocents die.

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I saw a big following commentator say the footage was separate and that the hospital staff would have noticed concrete getting poured. They probably did, the same way they would have noticed they Hamad terrorists bringing in hostages. They also probably value their lives. Someone sent him this separate footage of the same tunnel with concrete, he sort of says well it needs to have been used recently for it to be justified..
https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1726291665478979777/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1726291665478979777&curre ntTweetUser=EylonALevy

I don't know what's trying to be proven is it that Israel is bad we know that as they have flattened schools mosques and residential buildings with no thought of consequence. Or is it to say rapist, homophobic murderers of thousands of innocent Jews Hamas aren't bad?

It's like the Hamas bomb that hit the hospital courtyard it let's Israel say don't believe anything bad against us as Hamas was lying. The focus should be on neighbourhoods flattened

I heard an interview with a British doctor who worked at the hospital. He said there were areas which were out of bounds. Everyone knew why but no one said out of fear.

I did think the tunnel was a bit far away from the hospital to be deeemed part of it, but there’s just too much evidence that Hamas do use it for military purposes.

Yes it could be planted. But with everything in life, you need to look at both sides of the arguement and their evidence and make your own judgement.

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I heard an interview with a British doctor who worked at the hospital. He said there were areas which were out of bounds. Everyone knew why but no one said out of fear.

I did think the tunnel was a bit far away from the hospital to be deeemed part of it, but there’s just too much evidence that Hamas do use it for military purposes.

Yes it could be planted. But with everything in life, you need to look at both sides of the arguement and their evidence and make your own judgement.

What “evidence” have you seen that backs that up?

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What “evidence” have you seen that backs that up?

I don't think they will use the actual hospital and have a door saying Hamas tunnels that would be daft. I also listened to the English doctor on france24 who said there was always Hamas presence inside and areas that you were told not to go into. The cctv of the Thai man being walked into the hospital by half a dozen Hamas who have conversations with doctors. The IDF vehicles captured are in CCTV videos being parked inside the hospital compound. Two videos of a tunnel 30 metres from the hospital front door inside the hospital grounds. Amnesty said five years ago they had evidence political prisoners were tortured in the hospital. The UN and the EU have said they believe Hamas is using hospitals as military positions. CCTV footage of a Hamas fighter walking into the hospital last week with a rocket propelled granade over his shoulder. Palestinian Islamic Jihad said they hit IDF in the hospital.

I don't believe Israel for a second about anything but you have to say why are the IDF doing a militarily risky ground operation costing lives when they could just continue the ground operation through the strip. On the other hand you could believe Hamas

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Humanitarian Ceasefire announced imminently a few sources are saying. It'll be in return for 50-100 hostages released.

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Interesting wording used when it comes to describing Palestinians compared to Isrealis.
Israelis are hostages, Palestinians are prisoners.
Isrealis are children and mothers, Palestinians are women and minors.
I expect better from RTE.


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