Hamas attack on Israel

[Hibs4185]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Netanyahu upset that someone has let the end game be known.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gs-notice.html

I don’t quite think that’s the end game as it would seriously affect the Israeli people as well given the close proximity

[Kato]

Known weirdo Douglas Murray claiming Hamas are worse than the Nazis, as the Nazis "felt bad" about killing Jewish people.

What a crank.

https://twitter.com/waitmanb/status/...96msoUbBg&s=19

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[AgentDaleCooper]

One thing that never seems to be actually demonstrated to the public - is there actual proof that Hamas are operating underneath/inside hospitals?

[Hibs4185]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

One thing that never seems to be actually demonstrated to the public - is there actual proof that Hamas are operating underneath/inside hospitals?

I read a story in the Telegraph where the journalist could see hamas fighters firing from a hospital and also another video where supposedly Hamas fighters were firing at civilians leaving the hospital in order to get them back into it and act as shields.

I suppose with all things in life, no one really knows how’s innocent and how’s telling the truth.

It does seem though that the majority of Palestinians what Hamas gone and out of their lives, which would suggest Hamas aren’t all that innocent.!

[Ozyhibby]

I’m almost certain they are in the main hospital and so are the Israelis. They have just about surrounded the hospital now and will be sending in troops very soon. A very risky operation that will cost IDF lives. They would not be doing that unless they felt sure that is where the Hamas HQ was.

The speed at which the Israelis are accomplishing their goals is impressive. Hamas are either weaker than expected or are trying to hide and hope they go away. That won’t work though. There appears to be no support for Hamas on the ground with the population. IDF managing to operate with very few casualties or resistance from ordinary Palestinians.
I suspect they will have full control of Gaza in next couple of weeks and will then try hand over to the PA.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Hibs4185]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I’m almost certain they are in the main hospital and so are the Israelis. They have just about surrounded the hospital now and will be sending in troops very soon. A very risky operation that will cost IDF lives. They would not be doing that unless they felt sure that is where the Hamas HQ was.

The speed at which the Israelis are accomplishing their goals is impressive. Hamas are either weaker than expected or are trying to hide and hope they go away. That won’t work though. There appears to be no support for Hamas on the ground with the population. IDF managing to operate with very few casualties or resistance from ordinary Palestinians.
I suspect they will have full control of Gaza in next couple of weeks and will then try hand over to the PA.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Good post. My worry would be, how many Hamas are escaping with the civilians, which is perhaps why the IDF are making good progress.

[Mon Dieu4]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

IDF managing to operate with very few casualties

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just the 10,000 civilians 4,000 of which are children, but apart from that aye

[MKHIBEE]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Just the 10,000 civilians 4,000 of which are children, but apart from that aye

Not counting the 1500 children missing. Plus adults.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Just the 10,000 civilians 4,000 of which are children, but apart from that aye

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Not counting the 1500 children missing. Plus adults.

I was talking about IDF casualties.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[AgentDaleCooper]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I was talking about IDF casualties.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

From what i've read they've also seen pretty limited Hamas casualties - roughly 60 was the figure i saw a few days ago.

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

From what i've read they've also seen pretty limited Hamas casualties - roughly 60 was the figure i saw a few days ago.

Not a chance I've unfortunately seen dozens of drone videos of ifvs and barracks going. I'm sure many will have escaped but as was shown with ISIS it doesn't really matter if you destroy all their apparatus and kill or imprison the known leaders

[Keith_M]

How many hostages are there that have not yet been released?

I can't help thinking about what the poor souls must be going through, and their families/friends as well.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

How many hostages are there that have not yet been released?

I can't help thinking about what the poor souls must be going through, and their families/friends as well.

Think it’s still about 200 or so. I doubt they are all coming back. Hopefully soon one side decides they need peace.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Pretty Boy]

I know it's not right to turn a blind eye but I genuinely just can't watch the news anymore.

The images on Channel 4 news of premature babies huddled together for warmth because there is no electricity to power incubators is just too much.

I just don't understand how anyone regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, political affiliation, nationality, race or whatever else can be cold to that. How can anyone with children, or indeed without children, watch that and argue about what is and isn't a 'just war'?

Hopefully the events of the last few weeks have a silver lining and the populace on both sides realise that extremism on either side is no answer.

[MKHIBEE]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I know it's not right to turn a blind eye but I genuinely just can't watch the news anymore.

The images on Channel 4 news of premature babies huddled together for warmth because there is no electricity to power incubators is just too much.

I just don't understand how anyone regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, political affiliation, nationality, race or whatever else can be cold to that. How can anyone with children, or indeed without children, watch that and argue about what is and isn't a 'just war'?

Babies are now dying because they cannot get oxygen due to the lack of electricity and the Israeli army have started throwing injured patients out onto the streets from one hospital.

https://www.aljazeera.com/

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I know it's not right to turn a blind eye but I genuinely just can't watch the news anymore.

The images on Channel 4 news of premature babies huddled together for warmth because there is no electricity to power incubators is just too much.

I wouldn't classify that as turning a blind eye, mate.

You clearly care a great deal about what's happening to these poor people and it's understandably hard to cope with watching this kind of thing on the news every night.

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

...
I just don't understand how anyone regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, political affiliation, nationality, race or whatever else can be cold to that. How can anyone with children, or indeed without children, watch that and argue about what is and isn't a 'just war'?

Hopefully the events of the last few weeks have a silver lining and the populace on both sides realise that extremism on either side is no answer.

I think we all share that view

[Stairway 2 7]

Corbyn no really putting his antisemitism critic's to bed on PM last night. Repeatedly refused to say that Hamas are terrorists. Why can't he just saying Isreal have been committing genocide for decades. This retaliation has been a disgusting slaughter. Hamas are also an evil homophobic, antisemitic hateful terrorists group and the region will only move forward when Hamas and Netanyahus right wing government is gone.

Corbyn also unfortunately doesn't realise with the Internet everything is stored. He denied saying our friends from Hamas in a meeting years ago. He did and also said " the idea that an organisation dedicated to the good of the Palestinian people and to bring peace political and social justice to the whole region should be labelled a terrorists organisation is a really big big historical mistake "
https://twitter.com/Zokko18/status/1724169002765742117

We all back the wrong horse but don't double down when it's clear they are ****. I'm not sure why it wasn't clear anyway amnesty said they banned homosexuality, killed opponents, backed honour killings of women, one of the lowest level of female employment in the world, removed all domestic violence laws.

Hamas are **** but and it's the Palestinians that suffer. They can't protest against the government and they are constantly bombed, shot, have the land stolen by the isrealis. A horrible existence with no clear path out.

[MKHIBEE]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Corbyn no really putting his antisemitism critic's to bed on PM last night. Repeatedly refused to say that Hamas are terrorists. Why can't he just saying Isreal have been committing genocide for decades. This retaliation has been a disgusting slaughter. Hamas are also an evil homophobic, antisemitic hateful terrorists group and the region will only move forward when Hamas and Netanyahus right wing government is gone.

Corbyn also unfortunately doesn't realise with the Internet everything is stored. He denied saying our friends from Hamas in a meeting years ago. He did and also said " the idea that an organisation dedicated to the good of the Palestinian people and to bring peace political and social justice to the whole region should be labelled a terrorists organisation is a really big big historical mistake "
https://twitter.com/Zokko18/status/1724169002765742117

We all back the wrong horse but don't double down when it's clear they are ****. I'm not sure why it wasn't clear anyway amnesty said they banned homosexuality, killed opponents, backed honour killings of women, one of the lowest level of female employment in the world, removed all domestic violence laws.

Hamas are **** but and it's the Palestinians that suffer. They can't protest against the government and they are constantly bombed, shot, have the land stolen by the isrealis. A horrible existence with no clear path out.

Thats no different from many countries in the Middle East, unfortunately these countries get to hold major sporting events in an attempt to gloss over their policies.

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Thats no different from many countries in the Middle East, unfortunately these countries get to hold major sporting events in an attempt to gloss over their policies.

Yep they are ******g disgusting too, Saudi murder journalists have abhorrent human rights and like Israel they have been committing genocide in Yemen for example.

[AgentDaleCooper]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Thats no different from many countries in the Middle East, unfortunately these countries get to hold major sporting events in an attempt to gloss over their policies.

exactly - Corbyn is being an absolute eejit here IMO, but even so, that doesn't actually make him any worse than any of the other politicians, in power or in opposition.

[MKHIBEE]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Yep they are ******g disgusting too, Saudi murder journalists have abhorrent human rights and like Israel they have been committing genocide in Yemen for example.

That’s true, which is a sad reflection of the world we live in and how such regimes are bolstered by the support they receive from many western governments.

[Ozyhibby]

IDF in the main hospital now. Let’s hope this is quick and they get the Hamas fighters they are looking for.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

IDF in the main hospital now. Let’s hope this is quick and they get the Hamas fighters they are looking for.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The US has said they believe their Intel that Hamas base is under the hospital and the EU release a joint statement condemning Hamas for using hospitals and human shield tactics.

Definitely putting their cards on the table as it'll be proven one way or the other in the next week or so.

[Jones28]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The US has said they believe their Intel that Hamas base is under the hospital and the EU release a joint statement condemning Hamas for using hospitals and human shield tactics.

Definitely putting their cards on the table as it'll be proven one way or the other in the next week or so.

*******s.

[Bristolhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I’m almost certain they are in the main hospital and so are the Israelis. They have just about surrounded the hospital now and will be sending in troops very soon. A very risky operation that will cost IDF lives. They would not be doing that unless they felt sure that is where the Hamas HQ was.

The speed at which the Israelis are accomplishing their goals is impressive. Hamas are either weaker than expected or are trying to hide and hope they go away. That won’t work though. There appears to be no support for Hamas on the ground with the population. IDF managing to operate with very few casualties or resistance from ordinary Palestinians.
I suspect they will have full control of Gaza in next couple of weeks and will then try hand over to the PA.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Elections with a moderate Palestinian government being returned is key.

One of the reasons it probably won’t happen.

And so it will continue. Isreal like the US led coalition in Iraq had no idea what to do once they “win”.

J

[MKHIBEE]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The US has said they believe their Intel that Hamas base is under the hospital and the EU release a joint statement condemning Hamas for using hospitals and human shield tactics.

Definitely putting their cards on the table as it'll be proven one way or the other in the next week or so.

Whether that is true or not, and, as far as I’m aware, no evidence has been produced to back up Israeli claims, hospitals are protected under international agreements. Apparently all hospitals in Gaza are under attack, do they all have Hamas command posts under them? Hamas and Isreal leaders should be facing war crimes tribunal when this whole sorry slaughter is finished

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Whether that is true or not, and, as far as I’m aware, no evidence has been produced to back up Israeli claims, hospitals are protected under international agreements. Apparently all hospitals in Gaza are under attack, do they all have Hamas command posts under them? Hamas and Isreal leaders should be facing war crimes tribunal when this whole sorry slaughter is finished

They lose their protection under international law if they are used for military purposes.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[MKHIBEE]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They lose their protection under international law if they are used for military purposes.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

of which they have yet to provide evidence. Any action taken in such circumstances has to be proportionate to the objective. If premature babies and injured civilians dying is proportionate it doesn’t speak well for humanity.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

of which they have yet to provide evidence. Any action taken in such circumstances has to be proportionate to the objective. If premature babies and injured civilians dying is proportionate it doesn’t speak well for humanity.

Why do you think they are putting so much effort and risking IDF lives in order to take this hospital rather than just flatten it?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

of which they have yet to provide evidence. Any action taken in such circumstances has to be proportionate to the objective. If premature babies and injured civilians dying is proportionate it doesn’t speak well for humanity.

It's not just Israel saying it. The US has said they have multiple sources including from the Palestinian side that Hamas are using hospitals as bases and for weapons storage. Unicef said today Hamas needs to stop using hospitals the EU too. In 2014 amnesty said Hamas used the base under the hospital to torture political prisoners.

It'll all come out shortly but they putting their neck out if it is untrue.