Hamas attack on Israel

[DaveF]

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Often like when police are brutal as in the clip. Chinese police battered anti covid protesters, the Met battered women protesting Sarah Everard murder, probably a closer comparison in the video than to this Nazis slaughter of millions.

There is no protest going on in this clip. It's just people being beaten up because the authorities don't like something. I'd suggest that has got more similarities to 1930s Germany than the Met and protests.

[JimBHibees]

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Often like when police are brutal as in the clip. Chinese police battered anti covid protesters, the Met battered women protesting Sarah Everard murder, probably a closer comparison in the video than to this Nazis slaughter of millions.

Not when you take into account the Israeli government treatment, subjugation and murder of many Palestinians for years

[Stairway 2 7]

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Not when you take into account the Israeli government treatment, subjugation and murder of many Palestinians for years

Isreals disgusting treatment is similar to other genocides UK in Iraq, Serbia in Bosnia or Russia in Syria. Nazis was a industrial slaughter straight from train to gas chamber. I think it does a disservice to it comparing every bit of police brutality or slaughter to it.

Hardly a big deal, in the end its clear the IDF an Israeli government are ****

[MKHIBEE]

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Often like when police are brutal as in the clip. Chinese police battered anti covid protesters, the Met battered women protesting Sarah Everard murder, probably a closer comparison in the video than to this Nazis slaughter of millions.

So often = all the time? There is more to Nazism than simply beating people up.

[Stairway 2 7]

Reading that the IDF have split Gaza in two and have completely surrounded Gaza city. Not really sure what this means for the war but it doesn't seem good at all for a humanitarian corridor, not that Israel seems remotely interested in that anyway

[Ozyhibby]

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Reading that the IDF have split Gaza in two and have completely surrounded Gaza city. Not really sure what this means for the war but it doesn't seem good at all for a humanitarian corridor, not that Israel seems remotely interested in that anyway

I think this is madness and there can’t be a military solution to this problem but I am now hoping they can achieve some sort of success soon that they can call a win and then pull out. If the actually manage to deal a massive blow to Hamas then so much the better. Just hope it’s over soon.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Germany has been the greatest supporter of Israel as the vice chancellor says Israels defence Germany's raison d'etre. He's released a video condemning Muslim groups in Germany for not distancing themselves from Hamas enough, says pro Palestinian demonstration and marches will stay banned, anyone caught praising Hamas or being anti semitic can lose their German citizenship if they have acquired it or lose the right to live in Germany.


Further the leader of the CDU the favorites for the next election wants all new citizens to pledge to the security of Israel to become a citizen.
https://www.exberliner.com/english-n...ognise-israel/

A terrible stance on demonstration, but perhaps at least understandable in a nation dealing with the past, usually very well imo

[Stairway 2 7]

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I think this is madness and there can’t be a military solution to this problem but I am now hoping they can achieve some sort of success soon that they can call a win and then pull out. If the actually manage to deal a massive blow to Hamas then so much the better. Just hope it’s over soon.


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Hopefully soldiers on the ground might at least stop some of the indiscriminate bombing.

I never realised just how muny of Hamas leadership were being housed and dinned in Qatar. They didn't advertise that during their World Cup

[Hibrandenburg]

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Germany has been the greatest supporter of Israel as the vice chancellor says Israels defence Germany's raison d'etre. He's released a video condemning Muslim groups in Germany for not distancing themselves from Hamas enough, says pro Palestinian demonstration and marches will stay banned, anyone caught praising Hamas or being anti semitic can lose their German citizenship if they have acquired it or lose the right to live in Germany.


Further the leader of the CDU the favorites for the next election wants all new citizens to pledge to the security of Israel to become a citizen.
https://www.exberliner.com/english-n...ognise-israel/

A terrible stance on demonstration, but perhaps at least understandable in a nation dealing with the past, usually very well imo

The Jewish community have been victims of rising antisemitism in Germany for the last couple of years. Around 80% of the recorded 2600+ penal acts inflicted on the Jewish community last year came from the extreme right. There's no way the CDU would demand that immigrants pledge security to Israel, they're trying to win back voters from the far right and such a move would just see them bleed even more voters to the AfD.

Since the Hamas attacks on Israel and the Israeli response, the Jewish community are now coming under attack from left wing extremists too. The German government have reacted in a balanced and fair manner imo, they have announced that any German citizens involved in antisemitism will find themselves in court and any non Germans might find they are no longer welcome in Germany. They now just need to turn those words into actions.

[Ozyhibby]

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Hopefully soldiers on the ground might at least stop some of the indiscriminate bombing.

I never realised just how muny of Hamas leadership were being housed and dinned in Qatar. They didn't advertise that during their World Cup

The Americans were the ones who set that up, amazingly. Qatar is a state sponsor of terrorism though and has been for too leniently dealt with for years.


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[JimBHibees]

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Isreals disgusting treatment is similar to other genocides UK in Iraq, Serbia in Bosnia or Russia in Syria. Nazis was a industrial slaughter straight from train to gas chamber. I think it does a disservice to it comparing every bit of police brutality or slaughter to it.

Hardly a big deal, in the end its clear the IDF an Israeli government are ****

The ultimate irony is that it is a Jewish state acting in this way.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The ultimate irony is that it is a Jewish state acting in this way.

Horrible that a nation helped be due to a genocide against them can spend the following hundred years committing genocide

"For your benefit, learn from our tragedy. It is not a written law that the next victims must be Jews. It can also be other people. We saw it begin in Germany with Jews, but people from more than twenty other nations were also murdered." — Simon Wiesenthal

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Horrible that a nation helped be due to a genocide against them can spend the following hundred years committing genocide

"For your benefit, learn from our tragedy. It is not a written law that the next victims must be Jews. It can also be other people. We saw it begin in Germany with Jews, but people from more than twenty other nations were also murdered." — Simon Wiesenthal

Agree. Great quote from Simon.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Once this war between Israel and Hamas is over, a deeper conflict looms | Jonathan Freedland | The Guardian


Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad told Lebanese TV that his organisation was determined to repeat the massacre of 7 October, when the men of Hamas murdered some 1,400 Israelis, most of them civilians, torturing and maiming their victims in ways too cruel to recount. Hamad promised that 7 October was “just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth”. He was asked if Hamas was bent on Israel’s annihilation. “Yes, of course,” he replied.

well there's a green light for Israel

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/yonahlieberman/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Good from Obama. Shame he was so disengaged on foreign policy his whole presidency.


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https://x.com/yonahlieberman/status/1720816170792562947omments?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFN wz8V4A

Good from Obama. Shame he was so disengaged on foreign policy his whole presidency.


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No doubt he will get hammered for his comments.

[Bristolhibby]

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The Americans were the ones who set that up, amazingly. Qatar is a state sponsor of terrorism though and has been for too leniently dealt with for years.


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TBF having a back door to Hamas is critical in bringing some sort of peace to the region.

This cannot be solved by military action. Diplomacy and talking is the only way. For that you need an in to Hamas. This provides that.

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[Hibs4185]

It seems all the Hamas leadership are worth a bit of money and live in Qatar etc.

That’s real solidarity with their people

[Lendo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67327079

This story is absolutely wild and I really don’t know what to make of it.

[Ozyhibby]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67327079

This story is absolutely wild and I really don’t know what to make of it.

That’s been common practice for the IDF for years.
It explains why the death toll seems low (a horrific 10,000) so far compared to the level of devastation.


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That’s been common practice for the IDF for years.
It explains why the death toll seems low (a horrific 10,000) so far compared to the level of devastation.


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I read a story today where Israel is attacking a hospital in Gaza City. There used drones and other intelligence to verify there are no civilians in the hospital but there is 100 hundred Hamas fighters in there. The journalists can see rockets and gunfire coming from the hospital but Israel won’t flatten it because it would give Hamas and pro-Palestinians propaganda to say another hospital has been flattened.

It’s obviously absolutely brutal for the Palestinians. Hopefully they can do away with Hamas, have a ceasefire and try to get some two state solution functioning again

[JimBHibees]

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I read a story today where Israel is attacking a hospital in Gaza City. There used drones and other intelligence to verify there are no civilians in the hospital but there is 100 hundred Hamas fighters in there. The journalists can see rockets and gunfire coming from the hospital but Israel won’t flatten it because it would give Hamas and pro-Palestinians propaganda to say another hospital has been flattened.

It’s obviously absolutely brutal for the Palestinians. Hopefully they can do away with Hamas, have a ceasefire and try to get some two state solution functioning again

Has the two state solution ever functioned

[MKHIBEE]

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I read a story today where Israel is attacking a hospital in Gaza City. There used drones and other intelligence to verify there are no civilians in the hospital but there is 100 hundred Hamas fighters in there. The journalists can see rockets and gunfire coming from the hospital but Israel won’t flatten it because it would give Hamas and pro-Palestinians propaganda to say another hospital has been flattened.

It’s obviously absolutely brutal for the Palestinians. Hopefully they can do away with Hamas, have a ceasefire and try to get some two state solution functioning again

Another view on attacking hospitals

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveb...za-bombardment

[MKHIBEE]

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That’s been common practice for the IDF for years.
It explains why the death toll seems low (a horrific 10,000) so far compared to the level of devastation.


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Makes it hard to understand why so many are saying the figure is actually too high. FWIW, when they find all the bodies under the rubble it will be higher

[Ozyhibby]

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Makes it hard to understand why so many are saying the figure is actually too high. FWIW, when they find all the bodies under the rubble it will be higher

When you see the devastation, it’s hard to believe it’s only 10,000.
It will climb as hunger and disease start to take hold.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67327079

This story is absolutely wild and I really don’t know what to make of it.

I agree with you, really don’t know to make of it

[Stairway 2 7]

Roger Waters says we don't know if Hamas did the October 7th massacre and it could be a false flag. Some of them literally live streamed from their personal social media, Hamas government spokesman admitted it, hundreds of videos cctv and videos made by the terrorists themselves. Absolute tit of a man. It shouldn't be a surprise mind as Putin's puppet also said he didn't believe the Bucha massacre happened or that Russia/Assad committed their crimes including gassing the Syrians. If you need a massacre denied, he's got man

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-...n=owned_social

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https://x.com/bethrigby/status/17223...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Mon Dieu4]

I see Nick Griffin is saying it could have been Hibs fans that attacked a poppy seller at the weekend because we are pro Hamas and IRA, ****ing mentalist

[MKHIBEE]

Netanyahu upset that someone has let the end game be known.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gs-notice.html