Hamas attack on Israel

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Twitter-what a scary place.

There seems to be a trend in the USA around putting up notices in public places, then seemingly waiting for people to remove them, film them doing so, post said film on twatter then accuse them of being Nazis and the like. Then they are being named, place of work identified and contacted, jobs being lost etc.

What do notices about kidnapped Israelis in urban United States achieve to begin with?

The cynic in me says it's almost like this is entrapment, being done to fuel the propaganda war that sits alongside the actual conflict.

I guess we should all be careful what we post on social media, thinking about the absolute flood of pro-Israel pish that is filtering into my FB account and the like

There is no doubt Isreal control the online space although when you actually speak to real people the sympathy mostly lies with the Palestinians, or is at least split.


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There is no doubt Isreal control the online space although when you actually speak to real people the sympathy mostly lies with the Palestinians, or is at least split.


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Probably split

Which side in the Israeli‑Palestinian conflict do you sympathize with more?
Conducted 16 October 2023

YouGov surveyed 2574 GB adults
The Israeli side
21%
The Palestinian side
17%
Both sides equally
29%
Don't know
33%


I just don't know what Hamas were thinking. It's been a one way slaughter for decades. The murder 1400 Isrealis and a hundred hostages and a lot of people will feel whilst not agreeing with the carpet bombing, that Isreal has the right to wipe out Hamas.

It's the civilians of Gaza that will pay the price. Maybe Iran or Qatari influence, safe in there own borders.

Ridiculous that Isreal can try and take the moral high ground now

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Probably split

Which side in the Israeli‑Palestinian conflict do you sympathize with more?
Conducted 16 October 2023

YouGov surveyed 2574 GB adults
The Israeli side
21%
The Palestinian side
17%
Both sides equally
29%
Don't know
33%


I just don't know what Hamas were thinking. It's been a one way slaughter for decades. The murder 1400 Isrealis and a hundred hostages and a lot of people will feel whilst not agreeing with the carpet bombing, that Isreal has the right to wipe out Hamas.

It's the civilians of Gaza that will pay the price. Maybe Iran or Qatari influence, safe in there own borders.

Ridiculous that Isreal can try and take the moral high ground now

From Hamas point of view they are probably thinking that they are slowly dying in Gaza anyway? They have no future under the present arrangements anyway?
At least now the world is now paying attention to them. And it’s not like going down the route of co-operation like the PA in the West Bank has shown to be the better option?
From Hamas point of view, this may turn out to be a successful operation.


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Probably split

Which side in the Israeli‑Palestinian conflict do you sympathize with more?
Conducted 16 October 2023

YouGov surveyed 2574 GB adults
The Israeli side
21%
The Palestinian side
17%
Both sides equally
29%
Don't know
33%


I just don't know what Hamas were thinking. It's been a one way slaughter for decades. The murder 1400 Isrealis and a hundred hostages and a lot of people will feel whilst not agreeing with the carpet bombing, that Isreal has the right to wipe out Hamas.

It's the civilians of Gaza that will pay the price. Maybe Iran or Qatari influence, safe in there own borders.

Ridiculous that Isreal can try and take the moral high ground now

It’s easy to do when the whole of the western world is on your side and Palestinians are “terrorists”.

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It’s easy to do when the whole of the western world is on your side and Palestinians are “terrorists”.

What is the whole of the western world, people or govs. Hundreds of thousands in every major city in Europe came out to say they were in support of Palestinians this weekend. I think the vast majority don't think Palestinians are terrorists although most rightly will think Hamas are now. Oz is probably right in that more will now now what Isreal are, but the cost will be insane

As for governments they only act at the very last minute and if they have to, see Rwanda, Bosnia, Crimea. I'm sure if Putin took Kyiv in a week and put in a puppet the west will have dealt with them. It's pathetic but true, they have turned a blind eye on Palestinian genocide for decades

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What is the whole of the western world, people or govs. Hundreds of thousands in every major city in Europe came out to say they were in support of Palestinians this weekend. I think the vast majority don't think Palestinians are terrorists although most rightly will think Hamas are now. Oz is probably right in that more will now now what Isreal are, but the cost will be insane

As for governments they only act at the very last minute and if they have to, see Rwanda, Bosnia, Crimea. I'm sure if Putin took Kyiv in a week and put in a puppet the west will have dealt with them. It's pathetic but true, they have turned a blind eye on Palestinian genocide for decades

Isreal still seems to believe in a military solution to this and the only military solution that can work is genocide. Every thing short of that leaves them in the same situation.
Of course if they were to look for a diplomatic solution then lots of other possibilities open up. I don’t think that’s on the table now. Not when you have politicians round the world ready to get behind your genocide.


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Isreal still seems to believe in a military solution to this and the only military solution that can work is genocide. Every thing short of that leaves them in the same situation.
Of course if they were to look for a diplomatic solution then lots of other possibilities open up. I don’t think that’s on the table now. Not when you have politicians round the world ready to get behind your genocide.


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Their population isn't accepting them not crushing Hamas fully now surely though, if they did without retribution as they see it, they would be worried it happens again.

The hostages being released would defuse the situation more than any other but I can't see it happening. I don't think Netanyahu is bothered about the hostages he wants a ground offensive that surely puts the hostages at most risk. I think it's inevitable and it'll be brutal on both sides.

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Their population isn't accepting them not crushing Hamas fully now surely though, if they did without retribution as they see it, they would be worried it happens again.

The hostages being released would defuse the situation more than any other but I can't see it happening. I don't think Netanyahu is bothered about the hostages he wants a ground offensive that surely puts the hostages at most risk. I think it's inevitable and it'll be brutal on both sides.

I pretty much agree with all that and when it’s done Hamas will still be there.


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I pretty much agree with all that and when it’s done Hamas will still be there.


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Definitely unfortunately. Hopefully Netanyahu gets chucked and someone with more respect on life can come after

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What is the whole of the western world, people or govs. Hundreds of thousands in every major city in Europe came out to say they were in support of Palestinians this weekend. I think the vast majority don't think Palestinians are terrorists although most rightly will think Hamas are now. Oz is probably right in that more will now now what Isreal are, but the cost will be insane

As for governments they only act at the very last minute and if they have to, see Rwanda, Bosnia, Crimea. I'm sure if Putin took Kyiv in a week and put in a puppet the west will have dealt with them. It's pathetic but true, they have turned a blind eye on Palestinian genocide for decades

Basically it’s the agencies that have the ability to influence thinking on the issue, or can provide support, look at how much the U.S.A. gives in arms to Isreal. They say that those who control the media control the mind. I understand the feelings towards Hamas after their attacks but anyone who supports what the Israeli are doing now, and have been doing for 75 years, lack humanity. Isreal is an apartheid, murderous regime, it was before the Hamas attacks and is even more so now. Isreal does not care about international condemnation and is free to do as it wishes, when it wishes, because every time the UN attempt to censure them the U.S.A. vetoes any such motion.

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I pretty much agree with all that and when it’s done Hamas will still be there.


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Im not so sure, I don’t think they will stop until Hamas is eradicated and that will also apply to any Hamas in the Occupied West Bank

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Im not so sure, I don’t think they will stop until Hamas is eradicated and that will also apply to any Hamas in the Occupied West Bank

I don't think you can eradicate them, the more deaths the more martyrs the more people join up. Look at the full might of the US plus 150k UK and German soldiers in Afghanistan, taliban are still currently in charge.

Afghanistan was similar in that it was instigated following a terrorist attack, dead soldiers and locals kept coming after the chest pumping beginning until everyone was exhausted

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Im not so sure, I don’t think they will stop until Hamas is eradicated and that will also apply to any Hamas in the Occupied West Bank

I don’t think you can kill the Palestinians desire for freedom with a gun.


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I don't think you can eradicate them, the more deaths the more martyrs the more people join up. Look at the full might of the US plus 150k UK and German soldiers in Afghanistan, taliban are still currently in charge.

Afghanistan was similar in that it was instigated following a terrorist attack, dead soldiers and locals kept coming after the chest pumping beginning until everyone was exhausted

Pretty much agree, there was a post earlier re the situation in the West Bank.

Where you have Palestinian families being murdered and rail roaded out of villages they've lived for generations by settlers, armed by the government for "self defence" (whilst security forces look on). Then even if Hamas IS wiped out, there will be a new round of survivors ready to take up the cause.

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The only political party in the UK not supporting war crimes.


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The only political party in the UK not supporting war crimes.


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Sunak showing his usual lack of awareness and intelligence in any given situation, except lining his or his wife’s nest

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I don’t think you can kill the Palestinians desire for freedom with a gun.


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You can’t, but you can kill male Palestinians who would be likely to take up a gun. Or kill the children to prevent them growing up.Or kill the women who would give birth to possible future fighters.

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You can’t, but you can kill male Palestinians who would be likely to take up a gun. Or kill the children to prevent them growing up.Or kill the women who would give birth to possible future fighters.

Which is why I said genocide is the only military strategy that would work here.


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Which is why I said genocide is the only military strategy that would work here.


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I did mention earlier that I thought that would be the Israeli end game.

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I did mention earlier that I thought that would be the Israeli end game.

I’m hopeful that while that might be the end game of the current leadership the Israeli people will be a significant break on that plan and at that point they have to look at more sensible solutions.


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Two more hostages being released. Hamas stalling the invasion.


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I’m hopeful that while that might be the end game of the current leadership the Israeli people will be a significant break on that plan and at that point they have to look at more sensible solutions.


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I think that is probably the main hope for peace, that the Israeli people get rid of Netanyahu and elect someone more conciliatory.

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This is good news. Biden continues to have a good presidency.


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The footage of the 85 year old Israeli hostage being released and shaking hands with one of the Hamas gunmen and saying shalom to him really got to me for some reason, it just seemed a moment of proper humanity in a totally mental situation.

Also interesting listening to her press conference where it sounded like, in terms relative to being captured at gun point, the hostages were treated fairly well. Food and medical care provided and a promise they wouldn't be killed.

In the grand scheme of things it's nothing but I suppose you have to take what hope you can in these situations.

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The footage of the 85 year old Israeli hostage being released and shaking hands with one of the Hamas gunmen and saying shalom to him really got to me for some reason, it just seemed a moment of proper humanity in a totally mental situation.

Also interesting listening to her press conference where it sounded like, in terms relative to being captured at gun point, the hostages were treated fairly well. Food and medical care provided and a promise they wouldn't be killed.

In the grand scheme of things it's nothing but I suppose you have to take what hope you can in these situations.

Sounds braw getting hit with sticks at 85
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Yocheved Lif****z, who was released by Hamas on Monday, told reporters on Tuesday that she "went through hell" in Gaza

"I was kidnapped on a motorbike on my side while they were driving toward Gaza," Lifschitz said. Her daughter explained how her head lay on one side of the motorbike while her feet dangled from the other.
"It was a painful act. They brought us into a gate. I was lying on the side on the motorbike. I got bruises because of the drive,"

After being slung over the back of a motorbike and hit with sticks, Lifschitz told reporters in Tel Aviv on Tuesday that she was taken underground.
"It was very, very difficult and unpleasant," a visibly upset Lif****z added

"I went through hell. They hit me in the ribs. It made no difference to them if they kidnapped elderly people or young people. They stole jewelry and a watch from me"

Her husband is still held by Hamas

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Sounds braw getting hit with sticks at 85
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Yocheved Lif****z, who was released by Hamas on Monday, told reporters on Tuesday that she "went through hell" in Gaza

"I was kidnapped on a motorbike on my side while they were driving toward Gaza," Lifschitz said. Her daughter explained how her head lay on one side of the motorbike while her feet dangled from the other.
"It was a painful act. They brought us into a gate. I was lying on the side on the motorbike. I got bruises because of the drive,"

After being slung over the back of a motorbike and hit with sticks, Lifschitz told reporters in Tel Aviv on Tuesday that she was taken underground.
"It was very, very difficult and unpleasant," a visibly upset Lif****z added

Her husband is still held by Hamas

I did clarify clearly that I was talking in very relative terms.

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The footage of the 85 year old Israeli hostage being released and shaking hands with one of the Hamas gunmen and saying shalom to him really got to me for some reason, it just seemed a moment of proper humanity in a totally mental situation.

Also interesting listening to her press conference where it sounded like, in terms relative to being captured at gun point, the hostages were treated fairly well. Food and medical care provided and a promise they wouldn't be killed.

In the grand scheme of things it's nothing but I suppose you have to take what hope you can in these situations.

Sounds more like a good PR team excelling at turd polishing.

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A bit of me is thinking Isreal never mounts this ground campaign.


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A bit of me is thinking Isreal never mounts this ground campaign.


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A “security expert” was interviewed on Al Jazeera news yesterday and he was of the opinion the Isreal would find it very difficult to beat Hamas in a guerilla warfare campaign on the ground. This is due, he reckons, to the labyrinth of underground tunnels and shelters which have been built over the last 17 years. He said they are so deep and fortified that they are virtually bomb proof against air attacks.