Hamas attack on Israel

[lapsedhibee]

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Whatever you think of him when it comes to other matters it has to be said that Humza Yousaf has been a class act in the last couple of days. The man must be going through hell with his family situation but his attendance at this event and his actions whilst there are those of a real statesman:

https://twitter.com/HumzaYousaf/stat...ZxpFpOgug&s=19

Yep. Puts even Grant Schapps in the shade.

[Ozyhibby]

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Whatever you think of him when it comes to other matters it has to be said that Humza Yousaf has been a class act in the last couple of days. The man must be going through hell with his family situation but his attendance at this event and his actions whilst there are those of a real statesman:

https://twitter.com/HumzaYousaf/stat...ZxpFpOgug&s=19

He has handled the situation very well.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Horrific.


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[Keith_M]

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https://x.com/charles_lister/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

6000 bombs dropped already.

"Gaza's death toll is now 1,420+, including 447 children & 248 women."


But the biggest complaint from some people in the UK is that the English FA aren't flying the Israeli flag.

Yeah, get your priorities right

[tamig]

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"Gaza's death toll is now 1,420+, including 447 children & 248 women."


But the biggest complaint from some people in the UK is that the English FA aren't flying the Israeli flag.

Yeah, get your priorities right

I know. And the tories sticking their oar in yesterday to try and apply pressure to the FA. **** them.

[Pretty Boy]

I think it's safe to say the families of those murdered on Bloody Sunday didn't take too kindly to Bono's assesment of the situation on Israel and Gaza. Exerts from their released statement below:

'This is beyond outrageous - to have the memories of our innocent dead sullied by the apartheid forces of the Israeli state will cause great hurt and anger in Derry'

'223 innocent Palestinians were massacred at the Gaza border fence in 2018 and 2019 by the IDF. Shot by Israeli snipers, war criminals who were following in the tradition of the murderous parachute regiment in the Bogside'

'The UK government do not offer even the weakest condemnation of the Israeli state. It is clear from the legacy bill imposed on us and the statement of unequivocal support for Israel that there truly is no British justice'

[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/Gg6LzfDHg3U?si=O2sMKjMZ4_-vAqkZ

Let’s hope his final point is correct. The people of Isreal and Palestine need to take over and get rid of both governments.


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[Ozyhibby]

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I think it's safe to say the families of those murdered on Bloody Sunday didn't take too kindly to Bono's assesment of the situation on Israel and Gaza. Exerts from their released statement below:

'This is beyond outrageous - to have the memories of our innocent dead sullied by the apartheid forces of the Israeli state will cause great hurt and anger in Derry'

'223 innocent Palestinians were massacred at the Gaza border fence in 2018 and 2019 by the IDF. Shot by Israeli snipers, war criminals who were following in the tradition of the murderous parachute regiment in the Bogside'

'The UK government do not offer even the weakest condemnation of the Israeli state. It is clear from the legacy bill imposed on us and the statement of unequivocal support for Israel that there truly is no British justice'

It’s horrific to see our govt taking sides in this.


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[Moulin Yarns]

I want to share this from twitter


"I’m personally a Holocaust survivor as an infant, I barely survived. My grandparents were killed in Aushwitz and most of my extended family were killed. I became a Zionist; this dream of the Jewish people resurrected in their historical homeland and the barbed wire of Aushwitz being replaced by the boundaries of a Jewish state with a powerful army…and then I found out that it wasn’t exactly like that, that in order to make this Jewish dream a reality we had to visit a nightmare on the local population.

There’s no way you could have ever created a Jewish state without oppressing and expelling the local population. Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent - that’s what’s called the 'Nakba' in Arabic; the 'disaster' or the 'catastrophe'. There’s a law that you cannot deny the Holocaust, but in Israel you’re not allowed to mention the Nakba, even though it’s at the very basis of the foundation of Israel.

I visited the Occupied Territories (West Bank) during the first intifada. I cried every day for two weeks at what I saw; the brutality of the occupation, the petty harassment, the murderousness of it, the cutting down of Palestinian olive groves, the denial of water rights, the humiliations...and this went on, and now it’s much worse than it was then.

It’s the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century. I could land in Tel Aviv tomorrow and demand citizenship but my Palestinian friend in Vancouver, who was born in Jerusalem, can’t even visit!

So then you have these miserable people packed into this, horrible…people call it an 'outdoor prison', which is what it is. You don’t have to support Hamas policies to stand up for Palestinian rights, that’s a complete falsity. You think the worse thing you can say about Hamas, multiply it by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing and dispossession of Palestinians.

And 'anybody who criticises Israel is an anti-Semite' is simply an egregious attempt to intimidate good non-Jews who are willing to stand up for what is true

[Pretty Boy]

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I want to share this from twitter


"I’m personally a Holocaust survivor as an infant, I barely survived. My grandparents were killed in Aushwitz and most of my extended family were killed. I became a Zionist; this dream of the Jewish people resurrected in their historical homeland and the barbed wire of Aushwitz being replaced by the boundaries of a Jewish state with a powerful army…and then I found out that it wasn’t exactly like that, that in order to make this Jewish dream a reality we had to visit a nightmare on the local population.

There’s no way you could have ever created a Jewish state without oppressing and expelling the local population. Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent - that’s what’s called the 'Nakba' in Arabic; the 'disaster' or the 'catastrophe'. There’s a law that you cannot deny the Holocaust, but in Israel you’re not allowed to mention the Nakba, even though it’s at the very basis of the foundation of Israel.

I visited the Occupied Territories (West Bank) during the first intifada. I cried every day for two weeks at what I saw; the brutality of the occupation, the petty harassment, the murderousness of it, the cutting down of Palestinian olive groves, the denial of water rights, the humiliations...and this went on, and now it’s much worse than it was then.

It’s the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century. I could land in Tel Aviv tomorrow and demand citizenship but my Palestinian friend in Vancouver, who was born in Jerusalem, can’t even visit!

So then you have these miserable people packed into this, horrible…people call it an 'outdoor prison', which is what it is. You don’t have to support Hamas policies to stand up for Palestinian rights, that’s a complete falsity. You think the worse thing you can say about Hamas, multiply it by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing and dispossession of Palestinians.

And 'anybody who criticises Israel is an anti-Semite' is simply an egregious attempt to intimidate good non-Jews who are willing to stand up for what is true

Is that Gabor Mate? If so then when he talks, everyone should listen.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Is that Gabor Mate? If so then we talks, everyone should listen.

Yep. 👍

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https://x.com/tvcritics/status/17129...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[DaveF]

Reuters journalist killed on the Lebanese border yesterday and now a convoy heading south in Gaza has been hit with many dead.

Israel doing what Israel does.

[Pretty Boy]

3 BBC reporters were stopped and assaulted by Israeli Police last night as well. Provided their press ID and car was clearly marked as press.

It was the BBC Arabic service so I suppose that makes it ok in the mental discourse of the last few days.

[Ozyhibby]

Has there been any polling on the Isreal-Palestine issue? I don’t detect that much support for Isreal these days? Maybe it’s just the people I know.


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[Jones28]

If you support peace, what do you support? I don’t have a horse in this race other than not wanting people to die.

[Hibbyradge]

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Has there been any polling on the Isreal-Palestine issue? I don’t detect that much support for Isreal these days? Maybe it’s just the people I know.


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I've only seen support for Israel most probably because they were attacked without warning.

I don't know what Hamas were trying to achieve by the attack. I can't condone it regardless of my political opinion on the whole situation.

[Ozyhibby]

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I've only seen support for Israel most probably because they were attacked without warning.

I don't know what Hamas were trying to achieve by the attack. I can't condone it regardless of my political opinion on the whole situation.

I’d say they have probably achieved their objectives. The world is once again looking at the Palestinians plight.


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[lapsedhibee]

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The world is once again looking at the Palestinians plight.

Yes. Before this week I didn't know there was a Nakba Day. Though I suspect many will now just be thinking Palestinians=Terrorists.

[MKHIBEE]

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Yes. Before this week I didn't know there was a Nakba Day. Though I suspect many will now just be thinking Palestinians=Terrorists.

After being told by every western media outlet that that is the case.

[lapsedhibee]

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There's a new podcast on BBC Sounds called 'mandate' that shows how Britain is totally responsible for the religion-based division in Palestine - quite deliberately, to concentrate power in political institutions in Israel, and religious institutions in Palestine. It's not actually religion that's at fault here - it's colonialism.

Good podcast, ta. Think some of the responsibility for strife there lies with Hitler and his chums.

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After being told by every western media outlet that that is the case.

Matt Frei on Ch4 News has noticeably not been taking that line, so not quite every outlet. And Yousaf has been good when he's been speaking. But agree with your general point.

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After being told by every western media outlet that that is the case.

The BBC has been criticised all week for not referring to Hamas as terrorists.

[Ozyhibby]

Starmer having to U-turn. It’s good I guess but the fact that his first instinct is to support war crimes is worrying.


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[Pretty Boy]

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Yes. Before this week I didn't know there was a Nakba Day. Though I suspect many will now just be thinking Palestinians=Terrorists.

I think there is a narrative presented that killing by people in uniform is more palatable than killing by those not. In reality any civilian death should be treate for the appalling act it is. Anyone with a semblance of empathy surely condemns the actions of Hamas last weekend. It was indiscriminate, it was savage and it was carried out with a cold and ruthless detachment that is utterly chilling. However the figures speak for themselves, since last weekend more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis and the number is going to grow exponentially on only one side now. The last time elections were held in Gaza 58% of the population voted for Hamas. Today the majority of the population is under 18 with a whopping 41% under 14. There is no way of knowing what these people feel about their leadership because they have never had a say. Yet their deaths, because with the demographics of Gaza it stands to reason many of the near 1500 dead will be these children, is almost seen as unpalatable but acceptable (by some) because it's retaliatory. We are seeing war crimes play out with approval, and not even tacit approval, from the leaders of the UK, EU and US among others. Calling for humanitarian aid is all very well but the situation would be better served by calls for restraint from Israel and an insistence they act within international law. Cutting off water and electricity is collective punishment and that is illegal. Ordering 1.1M people to evacuate in a 48 hour window is a death sentence for those unable to do so for various legitimate reasons. That's collective punishment and illegal. Attacking convoys as they leave on said safe routes is illegal. Attacking and even killing marked journalists is illegal.

Interestingly when he swept back to power Netanyahu spoke quite openly about having to get money into the hands of Hamas, to empower Hamas and to embolden them. His desire was to drive an even greater wedge between Palestinians in the West Bank and Palestinians in Gaza. Whilst I would stop short of saying he welcomed last weekend attacks, I'm sure he will welcome the opportunity to exploit them. He has 'just cause' to obliterate Gaza now. It will be uninhabitable by this time next week and once the Palestinian populace leaves they won't be coming back. He knows in the West Bank he can continue to occupy territory with impunity.

We are on the verge of seeing 2M+ people killed or displaced. Hamas have played into Netanyahu's hands and I don't see him missing the opportunity. The bigger question is what the reasoning was of those who funded and equipped this Hamas attack (Israel themselves aside).

[Jones28]

A convoy of vehicles has been blown up by the IDF. A 2 and 5 year old along the victims.

I’ve deleted my Twitter account, it’s just too much.

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Starmer having to U-turn. It’s good I guess but the fact that his first instinct is to support war crimes is worrying.


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The problem is Israel are already breaking International law, and have been doing so for decades. It's calling them out that's the hard part and I see nothing here that suggests he will do so as PM.

[DaveF]

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The problem is Israel are already breaking International law, and have been doing so for decades. It's calling them out that's the hard part and I see nothing here that suggests he will do so as PM.

He won't do anything bar the usual lip service.

What Hamas did was despicable. What Israel is about to do is going to be 100 times worse but our country will stand by and support it.

[Stairway 2 7]

Isreal have been committing war crimes consistently for a decade. Regardless after 1200 of its citizens were murdered by Hamas, Isreal has the right to destroy them. They should only target military targets, although they won't. They also need humanitarian corridors and aid to get in, that won't happen either. It's complicated by Egypt building border walls to keep them out, they don't want Hamas entering when they have spent a decade destroying their own version.

Hamas needs separated from the people of Gaza and the Isreali army from Israeli's and Jews. In a poll in the Jerusalem Post Isreali's wanted retribution against Hamas but 2 thirds also blamed Netanyahu so hopefully he can get removed and his right wing bile ended.

[BigKev]

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A convoy of vehicles has been blown up by the IDF. A 2 and 5 year old along the victims.

I’ve deleted my Twitter account, it’s just too much.

IDF claim it was a Hamas booby trap on the road. There were no Israeli bombs in that area at the time.