Tavares

[Brightside]

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It does strike me that Rocky and Jair are given a hard time. Almost like folks are waiting to pounce. Sincerely hope that there’s no joining the dots and some prejudices have been at work.

That’s a shocking thing to say tbh.

[sleeping giant]

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It does strike me that Rocky and Jair are given a hard time. Almost like folks are waiting to pounce. Sincerely hope that there’s no joining the dots and some prejudices have been at work.

That's a shocking post.

Why does Campbel get such a hard time , or Lewis , Hanlon etc?

[mcohibs]

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It does strike me that Rocky and Jair are given a hard time. Almost like folks are waiting to pounce. Sincerely hope that there’s no joining the dots and some prejudices have been at work.

Think it says more about you that race even crossed your mind. Weird post.

[CentreForward]

Am still convinced that the only reason why he has suddenly been getting a game is the strong Benfica link in our management team.

[Brooster]

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It does strike me that Rocky and Jair are given a hard time. Almost like folks are waiting to pounce. Sincerely hope that there’s no joining the dots and some prejudices have been at work.

That is a horrific comment to make. Both are being singled out because they didn't play very well and people think we have better players who can take their place. Nothing whatsoever to do with race. Horrendous comment.

[the_ginger_hibee]

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It does strike me that Rocky and Jair are given a hard time. Almost like folks are waiting to pounce. Sincerely hope that there’s no joining the dots and some prejudices have been at work.

Some of the posts that people get banned for on here yet you can spout this race baiting, insensitive to actual racism & trouble making nonsense.

[BoomtownHibees]

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It does strike me that Rocky and Jair are given a hard time. Almost like folks are waiting to pounce. Sincerely hope that there’s no joining the dots and some prejudices have been at work.

This is a shocker

[Centre Hawf]

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Am still convinced that the only reason why he has suddenly been getting a game is the strong Benfica link in our management team.

He’s played about 70 minutes out of 180 since the new manager came in. It’s clear that it’s just a last chance saloon to see if we can get a tune out of him instead of some sort of Benfica link.

I also think there’s probably been absolutely zero appetite in the last two windows for anyone to take him from us and we’re trying to shop window him a bit. Easier to get someone to take him when he’s got minutes in the legs in the senior setup as opposed to playing Dunbar.

[CentreForward]

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He’s played about 70 minutes out of 180 since the new manager came in. It’s clear that it’s just a last chance saloon to see if we can get a tune out of him instead of some sort of Benfica link.

I also think there’s probably been absolutely zero appetite in the last two windows for anyone to take him from us and we’re trying to shop window him a bit. Easier to get someone to take him when he’s got minutes in the legs in the senior setup as opposed to playing Dunbar.

Possibly but still think the Benfica connection has helped him. I also think that’s poor management to play a player simply to put him in the shop window if he really doesn’t justify his place. That might suggest that his selection is coming from somewhere higher up the tree than Monty. Not sure if Monty would stand for that.

[sleeping giant]

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Possibly but still think the Benfica connection has helped him. I also think that’s poor management to play a player simply to put him in the shop window if he really doesn’t justify his place. That might suggest that his selection is coming from somewhere higher up the tree than Monty. Not sure if Monty would stand for that.

Did you not hear Monty talking about him?
Rates him and says his attitude has been magnificent so deserved a chance while Youan was rested .

[hibee-boys]

Appreciate that he’s not been around the first team for a while but thought he looked pretty average. Couple of decent moments but I feel that we’ll ultimately need to add better quality out wide options if we stick with a 442.

[Phil MaGlass]

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It's possibly less about race with jair and more that he's seen as a luxury player? Someone with bags of potential, good skills but "just too lightweight and not right for Scottish game" whatever that is. Maybe try telling kyogo that!

FWIW I think there's a player in there, remember it was only his second game back, thought there were good aspects to his play but he wouldn't have got a game if doige and youan were fit, so don't panic!

I also think Monty is genuine that he won't dish out favours, so if he's not seen as good enough he'll not keep his place.

From his perspective imagine going into your work knowing that a large amount of people had questioned your ability and wanted you out for the last year? Must have been tough for him so let's give him time. Fortunately most of the crowd were kind to him.

I think theres a player in there aswell needs a regular run. He will come good then hopefully some will see just how good he really is

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

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It does strike me that Rocky and Jair are given a hard time. Almost like folks are waiting to pounce. Sincerely hope that there’s no joining the dots and some prejudices have been at work.

Come on now, let’s no be daft eh. If that were the case then Marvin Bartley, Efe Ambrose, Kanayo Megwa, Elie Youan etc in recent years would have gotten/would get the same amount of a hard time surely? They get a hard time from some fans because they’ve not fulfilled their supposed potential. A lot of the hype around Tavares when he joined was stoked by the clubs media team, which looking back has definitely negatively impacted the fans opinion of him imo. Rocky is a different thing altogether, sometimes he looks a good defender but I do often wonder how he is/was supposedly considered a good prospect for the Belgian National Team. Just not consistent enough for me, but if he was he wouldn’t be at Hibs would he?


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[EVENTUALLY]

You know what I thought his appearance did was to get Youan at it from the moment he took his place. Competition for places instantly effective.

[bingo70]

I think it’s quite funny that one of the things that was appealing about the new manager was his ability to get the best out of players who weren’t fulfilling their potential and fallen off the rails a bit yet when we get someone who fits that criteria exactly, some want that player binned because he’s not turned it around within an hour of football after being out for a year.

I get this is the place for opinions but the people writing him off need to chill out and trust the manager.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Well, if anything got proved yesterday its that NM is as good as his word, giving game time to a player that's practically been written off and a guy who probably had to tell his mum where he was going before leaving the house that morning

As for Tavares. He wasn't shocking, but if he proved anything it's that he needs to work and work hard on his physicality on and off he ball and get the message that this isn't a league where you can dwell on it either. The country he has come from isn't really an excuse either, there's a pile of Portuguese players ripping it up in the English leagues who have no problem with their physical nature.

Whatever the case after yesterday the ball is now firmly in his court, he can't complain he isn't being given a chance. Given his lack of game time it would be unfair to expect him to just turn up and be the next Ronaldo, but IMO he has this season to prove he's got what it takes and if not he'll be binned ... when NM said after yesterday's game you won't be in this team unless you work very very hard it's my guess he meant off the pitch as well as on it ... over to you Jair

[Donegal Hibby]

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its interesting that you didn't comment on the last bit of my post about his confidence and how it might have felt for him to play in front of fans like yourself who have decided he's not good enough. I was watching him pretty closely and what me and my mate noticed was how many good runs he made, how many good positions he got himself into. sure he could have done better at closing down at times and he lost a few tackles (so did Boyle btw) but it feels like he's got more to prove as a result of what's gone on in the last year, especially the way he was brought int o much fanfare and rumours of salary. I think you're being a bit selective to prove a point, but he did ok yesterday, as he also did ok for his cameo against kill the week before.

I trust this manager to get it right with Tavares. however to make a comparison with Whittaker isn't totally fair - they're very different players and I don't see Tavares blocking his development under Monty. McKay would appear to have been at the club long enough, with enough loans at a lower level to form some decent opinion about his career here, though I also trust Monty there too!

Maybe the guy is struggling with confidence and I don't know how it felt for him to play in front of fans who have decided he's not good enough though more reason for him to prove them wrong and yesterday he just didn't do enough for me . Apart from a couple of moments he was generally brushed off the ball , didn't close players down , didn't tackle and wasn't involved enough . As to me deciding he's not good enough I hope he does come good , I really
do though anytime I've watched him I haven't seen anything to suggest he will tbh .

Whittaker and Tavares might be different players though any player can show abit of effort and passion and the young lad did imo , he looked like he was wanting to impress and had a point to prove , I didn't see that same fire in Tavares. I didn't mean he would be blocking Whittaker's development but going by yesterday's performance by Jair maybe trying somebody like Rudi or one of our other young players we might see more like we did with Whittaker.

[Centre Hawf]

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Possibly but still think the Benfica connection has helped him. I also think that’s poor management to play a player simply to put him in the shop window if he really doesn’t justify his place. That might suggest that his selection is coming from somewhere higher up the tree than Monty. Not sure if Monty would stand for that.

I don't think it needs massively over thought to be honest. My point wasn't that we're only playing him to get set up to get rid, it's more that it's beneficial from everyone's point of view from player to club for us to have a good proper look at him beyond the cameo's he had last season.

If we get to January and the lad has had say 10 or so decent length appearances worth and isn't getting better or showing anything for us to keep then we'll just try our best to shift him on. But him having played football this half of the season will objectively make it easier to do so than if he rotted away in the stands like he had been last season.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Some of the posts that people get banned for on here yet you can spout this race baiting, insensitive to actual racism & trouble making nonsense.

You clearly know nothing about me. Reaction to my post is revealing first time subject to a pile-on.
If we’re not prepared to examine things then we’re all blind are we really all Jock Tamson’s bairns. Scotland does have a problem if we’re blind to it we’re apart of the problem. I was asking us to reflect. If we can do that then we’re in a sad place. I stand by my comment and if that’s deemed worth of a suspension / ban I’ll abide by the rules. As a long term poster and folks that know me personally hopefully my post is taken in the spirit intended. Either way I’ll not be posting for a while.

[easty]

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You clearly know nothing about me. Reaction to my post is revealing first time subject to a pile-on.
If we’re not prepared to examine things then we’re all blind are we really all Jock Tamson’s bairns. Scotland does have a problem if we’re blind to it we’re apart of the problem. I was asking us to reflect. If we can do that then we’re in a sad place. I stand by my comment and if that’s deemed worth of a suspension / ban I’ll abide by the rules. As a long term poster and folks that know me personally hopefully my post is taken in the spirit intended. Either way I’ll not be posting for a while.

https://youtu.be/w4i1yAOKUI4?si=nx1ZJ8tfVzfqyiuD

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Come on now, let’s no be daft eh. If that were the case then Marvin Bartley, Efe Ambrose, Kanayo Megwa, Elie Youan etc in recent years would have gotten/would get the same amount of a hard time surely? They get a hard time from some fans because they’ve not fulfilled their supposed potential. A lot of the hype around Tavares when he joined was stoked by the clubs media team, which looking back has definitely negatively impacted the fans opinion of him imo. Rocky is a different thing altogether, sometimes he looks a good defender but I do often wonder how he is/was supposedly considered a good prospect for the Belgian National Team. Just not consistent enough for me, but if he was he wouldn’t be at Hibs would he?


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Thabks - I appreciated your measured response to the point in was raising. And I think there is a. element of that.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Think it says more about you that race even crossed your mind. Weird post.

I refer you to my post below. Boa noite

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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https://youtu.be/w4i1yAOKUI4?si=nx1ZJ8tfVzfqyiuD

that’s not my point and not my style. But thanks.

[the_ginger_hibee]

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You clearly know nothing about me. Reaction to my post is revealing first time subject to a pile-on.
If we’re not prepared to examine things then we’re all blind are we really all Jock Tamson’s bairns. Scotland does have a problem if we’re blind to it we’re apart of the problem. I was asking us to reflect. If we can do that then we’re in a sad place. I stand by my comment and if that’s deemed worth of a suspension / ban I’ll abide by the rules. As a long term poster and folks that know me personally hopefully my post is taken in the spirit intended. Either way I’ll not be posting for a while.

Glad to hear it.

You call / insinuate that people you don't know, fellow Hibs fans on .net, are racist for discussing players performance & then you play the 'pile-on' card. Too much internet for you I think, try Twitter.

[Wilson]

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You clearly know nothing about me. Reaction to my post is revealing first time subject to a pile-on.
If we’re not prepared to examine things then we’re all blind are we really all Jock Tamson’s bairns. Scotland does have a problem if we’re blind to it we’re apart of the problem. I was asking us to reflect. If we can do that then we’re in a sad place. I stand by my comment and if that’s deemed worth of a suspension / ban I’ll abide by the rules. As a long term poster and folks that know me personally hopefully my post is taken in the spirit intended. Either way I’ll not be posting for a while.

Keep posting. You posed a question, and many disagree, but it doesn't make it wrong to ask.

Nobody here wants an echo chamber where we all think the same, post the same, and like the same.

On this subject I think hibs fans just like players whose talents are obvious, who affect games right away. The slow progression isn't for us. We want to be challenging and you're here to help us. If you aren't ready we can't wait.

From the perspective of getting value from our investments though the club, rightly, takes a longer term view.

[tamh]

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Am still convinced that the only reason why he has suddenly been getting a game is the strong Benfica link in our management team.

Defo

[truehibernian]

Remember speaking to Russell Latapy years ago and him saying Scottish football was a completely different style of football he’d ever been used to. Space closed down quickly, not the time on the ball he was used to, and far more physical. It took him time to fully adjust (and boy did he do that). And he was older and more experienced than Jair.

For me it’s about perspective- a very very young boy who hasn’t played much top level football comes to a very different country and culture, with quite a few barriers to overcome. Treated badly by a very poor man manager and his confidence was shot. He’s now been given a chance, clearly by a manager who sees ability, and he’s come into the side last two games and that can only be good for his confidence and also get to know the style of football this league offers.

Good on the lad for persevering and I hope he continues to flourish.

[Hibbyradge]

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I think it’s quite funny that one of the things that was appealing about the new manager was his ability to get the best out of players who weren’t fulfilling their potential and fallen off the rails a bit yet when we get someone who fits that criteria exactly, some want that player binned because he’s not turned it around within an hour of football after being out for a year.

I get this is the place for opinions but the people writing him off need to chill out and trust the manager.

Have there been many that they want him binned?

I've seen plenty saying he wasn't very good yesterday but also hoping he comes good.

[bingo70]

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Have there been many that they want him binned?

I've seen plenty saying he wasn't very good yesterday but also hoping he comes good.

I’m not going to go reading through the thread again but there were certainly people saying he isn’t good enough for us, which isn’t the same as saying he played badly yesterday.

[Hibbyradge]

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I’m not going to go reading through the thread again but there were certainly people saying he isn’t good enough for us, which isn’t the same as saying he played badly yesterday.

I find myself experiencing amusement and frustration in equal measure when I see people jump to definite conclusions after a player has one bad game, so I'm sure you're right.