SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/170...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Tories out to cut benefits again. Get ready for attacks on the SNP for not mitigating them.


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Any news on the charges against SNP leadership?

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Any news on the charges against SNP leadership?

Apparently, according to the newspaper of note, the Herald, they've all been charged.
I must have missed this.

[Stairway 2 7]

Snp vote on Tue to discuss Fergus Ewings fate. 3 line whip so unsure why the effort

[Keith_M]

"A YouGov survey gave Humza Yousaf's party an 11-point advantage over Labour and up two points since last month with 38% of voters supporting it. At the same time Labour fell five points to 27 per cent.

Under Westminster boundaries, this would mean the SNP winning 39 seats while Labour would return 11, a significant increase from the one the party has at present. The SNP holds 44 Westminster seats.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...p-bigger-lead/



It's one survey, so doesn't mean a lot in isolation. However it does suggest that some of the predictions of a Labour takeover in Scotland were a tad premature.

"...However, previous polls had suggested Labour could return 22 MPs with the SNP falling to 26. "

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"A YouGov survey gave Humza Yousaf's party an 11-point advantage over Labour and up two points since last month with 38% of voters supporting it. At the same time Labour fell five points to 27 per cent.

Under Westminster boundaries, this would mean the SNP winning 39 seats while Labour would return 11, a significant increase from the one the party has at present. The SNP holds 44 Westminster seats.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...p-bigger-lead/



It's one survey, so doesn't mean a lot in isolation. However it does suggest that some of the predictions of a Labour takeover in Scotland were a tad premature.

"...However, previous polls had suggested Labour could return 22 MPs with the SNP falling to 26. "

Sarwar can’t be kept of the airwaves forever. He will have to front Labour’s campaign knowing he’s not the actual leader and promoting policies he doesn’t actually believe in.
Head to head I think Yousaf is better than him anyway but having to parrot policies he doesn’t believe in will be a significant handicap.
Labour will win the by-election but come a full campaign and I don’t think he will be able to match the SNP.


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The polling shows SNP would win Rutherglen. Labour are 1/12 on, so the bookmakers disagree. I'm sure snp will be ahead of Labour but a 10+ drop couldn't be painted as anything but a disaster. One year to go but will be interesting to see if other polls match going forward

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The polling shows SNP would win Rutherglen. Labour are 1/12 on, so the bookmakers disagree. I'm sure snp will be ahead of Labour but a 10+ drop couldn't be painted as anything but a disaster. One year to go but will be interesting to see if other polls match going forward

The number of seats the SNP might lose at the next election will depend on the extent of tactical voting.

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Sarwar can’t be kept of the airwaves forever. He will have to front Labour’s campaign knowing he’s not the actual leader and promoting policies he doesn’t actually believe in.

Par for the course. In Rutherglen they've got a Labour candidate who didn't vote Labour in 2019.

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The polling shows SNP would win Rutherglen. Labour are 1/12 on, so the bookmakers disagree. I'm sure snp will be ahead of Labour but a 10+ drop couldn't be painted as anything but a disaster. One year to go but will be interesting to see if other polls match going forward

I don’t think they have a chance in Rutherglen. Too early.


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I don’t think they have a chance in Rutherglen. Too early.


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Rutherglen is also quite a 'staunch' Unionist area, so there will be quite a sizeable resistance to any party threatening to break their beloved Union.

[Stairway 2 7]

3 days of school closures next week. A pain for parents but I support the workers. The best thing about the unfortunate strikes has been showing unions aren't dead. Hopefully a deal can be sorted in time

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...2ebtQdOF0W6BJ8

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3 days of school closures next week. A pain for parents but I support the workers. The best thing about the unfortunate strikes has been showing unions aren't dead. Hopefully a deal can be sorted in time

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...2ebtQdOF0W6BJ8

Good thing is the kids are doing their classes from home so it minimises the disruption a bit.


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Good thing is the kids are doing their classes from home so it minimises the disruption a bit.


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Doesn't help the staff at my work having to take days off to look after kids. Classes from home don't kids need school. For some it's the only safe environment they have. Covid showed us it disproportionately effected kids that need the help the most. Effects less those lucky kids with their own bedroom and a nice desk.

Hopefully they get their heads together and get a deal, I'm sure they will but hopefully soon

[Ozyhibby]

Watching Newsnight tonight, it appears that UK govt are cancelling the deposit return scheme that they are insisting that Scotland copy?


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3 days of school closures next week. A pain for parents but I support the workers. The best thing about the unfortunate strikes has been showing unions aren't dead. Hopefully a deal can be sorted in time

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...2ebtQdOF0W6BJ8

There’s a lot more to this than just supporting the workers, I wish I could go into it in more depth.

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3 days of school closures next week. A pain for parents but I support the workers. The best thing about the unfortunate strikes has been showing unions aren't dead. Hopefully a deal can be sorted in time

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...2ebtQdOF0W6BJ8

Well done to the Unions for continuing to stand up for their members. The employers have been getting off lightly for far too long.

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3 days of school closures next week. A pain for parents but I support the workers. The best thing about the unfortunate strikes has been showing unions aren't dead. Hopefully a deal can be sorted in time

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...2ebtQdOF0W6BJ8

No issue with this from me despite it having a direct impact.

Too many people involved in educating our children are chronically underpaid and, as some of the comments when the teacher were out on strike showed, underappreciated.

The workers involved have my full support.

[Ozyhibby]

https://davidhumeinstitute.org/lates...hy-they-should

It doesn’t get talked about because it’s the SNP. A magnificent policy.


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Well done to the Unions for continuing to stand up for their members. The employers have been getting off lightly for far too long.

I think there is a bit more at play here, especially with Unison, and if that’s the case then it’s certainly not a case of standing up for their members. Two of the three unions seem ready to reballot members.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/stvcolin/status/1705157185942999455?s=12
Good news.


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I think there is a bit more at play here, especially with Unison, and if that’s the case then it’s certainly not a case of standing up for their members. Two of the three unions seem ready to reballot members.

Could it be the Unison leader looking for publicity as she pushes for Labour nomination for WM? Not even taking the new offer to members is not good.

[weecounty hibby]

Some very interesting comms coming out from Unite about this. Can't paste it in so I'll type the important bit. After explaining the new deal they go on to say

"Unfortunately our colleagues in Unison have taken the bizarre decision to continue with their strike action whike ballotingtheir members. This oresupposes that their members will follow their recommendation to reject the offer however if their members vote to accept then they will have to explain to those members why they have lost three days pay and pension contributions" They then go on to say "in the event that Unison continue with their strike action next week our members should attend work as normal with our GMB colleagues, unfortunately this could mean having to cross a picket line. If those on the picket line are unhappy with this then you should ask why they are on strike while their own union members may be voting to accept the deal"

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Could it be the Unison leader looking for publicity as she pushes for Labour nomination for WM? Not even taking the new offer to members is not good.

And the Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election.

I also received a similar copy of the letter you’ve detailed above .. but the feeling for a while now is that Unison have been playing politics with their members wages in a Labour v SNP battle to try and make the Scottish government look bad in the run up to the Rutherglen by election.

I mentioned a few days ago that I had an insight into negotiations, and that there was more to it than met the eye. The letter from Unite pretty much confirms it, especially when they class the decision of Unison to pursue strike action as “bizarre”.

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And the Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election.

I also received a similar copy of the letter you’ve detailed above .. but the feeling for a while now is that Unison have been playing politics with their members wages in a Labour v SNP battle to try and make the Scottish government look bad in the run up to the Rutherglen by election.

I mentioned a few days ago that I had an insight into negotiations, and that there was more to it than met the eye. The letter from Unite pretty much confirms it, especially when they class the decision of Unison to pursue strike action as “bizarre”.

This is straight from Thatcher’s playbook of the early eighties. Union won’t settle? Question their motives and spin and smear them as being politically motivated rather than acting for the benefit of the workers. We’ve seen it before with the Glasgow bin workers strike where completely unfounded allegations were spread around as fact on social media as to why the workers were out.
On Tuesday an extra £80 million appeared at the last minute that the employers said wasn’t there. It still falls far short of restoring workers pay to what it should have been after years of neglect. Well done to any Union staying out, they’ve been lied to enough already. And I would be saying the same thing no matter who the employer was.

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This is straight from Thatcher’s playbook of the early eighties. Union won’t settle? Question their motives and spin and smear them as being politically motivated rather than acting for the benefit of the workers. We’ve seen it before with the Glasgow bin workers strike where completely unfounded allegations were spread around as fact on social media as to why the workers were out.
On Tuesday an extra £80 million appeared at the last minute that the employers said wasn’t there. It still falls far short of restoring workers pay to what it should have been after years of neglect. Well done to any Union staying out, they’ve been lied to enough already. And I would be saying the same thing no matter who the employer was.

It’s Unite who are attacking Unison.


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This is straight from Thatcher’s playbook of the early eighties. Union won’t settle? Question their motives and spin and smear them as being politically motivated rather than acting for the benefit of the workers. We’ve seen it before with the Glasgow bin workers strike where completely unfounded allegations were spread around as fact on social media as to why the workers were out.
On Tuesday an extra £80 million appeared at the last minute that the employers said wasn’t there. It still falls far short of restoring workers pay to what it should have been after years of neglect. Well done to any Union staying out, they’ve been lied to enough already. And I would be saying the same thing no matter who the employer was.

It's not an extra £80m though. It's been taken from other budgets. There is a finite budget for councils and the Scottish government. I would suggest that the fact that in Scotland we haven't seen too many strikes and that negotiations have been fairly amicable and that workers here are better off than their counterparts in other countries of the UK is nigh on miraculous.

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It’s Unite who are attacking Unison.


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Are the Unite leadership claiming that this is connected to the Unison leader wanting publicity for their Westminster bid? Or that it is connected to the Rutherglen by election ? That’s how it will be used, like I said, straight out of Thatcher’s playbook.
Or is it simply a leaked branch memo reflecting a difference of opinion on the way forward? It’s unfortunate in that it lets the employers and their supporters try and portray the Unions as divided. There are disagreements behind the scenes during any long running dispute. I have no problem with the curtain being lifted slightly at times. When some workers return and others stay out it does create difficult situations. Hopefully they are dealt with amicably.

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This is straight from Thatcher’s playbook of the early eighties.


On Tuesday an extra £80 million appeared at the last minute that the employers said wasn’t there.

I can only comment on what’s been happening during these negotiations, I can’t comment on Thatcher in the 80’s as I had only just been introduced to alcohol and had other priorities on my mind .. although dodging the poll tax was one of them.

It wasn’t there, and it still isn’t there. Every 1% above 2% is a £1m hit on local authority budgets, unless the Scottish Government subsidise (although that’s then a hit on their budget). It’s services that will probably take the biggest hit, and there may also be job losses.

I don’t like getting too political about this, probably because I still view myself as a socialist at heart and all for a proper wage (I voted against the Tories in PKC Leisure to keep the “real” living wage in place, despite the strains that this would then put on delivering Leisure services) but the way that Unison have carried out negotiations does have many asking questions about whether they had other motives.

That’s me out ..

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Are the Unite leadership claiming that this is connected to the Unison leader wanting publicity for their Westminster bid? Or that it is connected to the Rutherglen by election ? That’s how it will be used, like I said, straight out of Thatcher’s playbook.
Or is it simply a leaked branch memo reflecting a difference of opinion on the way forward? It’s unfortunate in that it lets the employers and their supporters try and portray the Unions as divided. There are disagreements behind the scenes during any long running dispute. I have no problem with the curtain being lifted slightly at times. When some workers return and others stay out it does create difficult situations. Hopefully they are dealt with amicably.

When a union seems determined to strike even whil having an offer good enough to take back to their members then of course people are going to be questioning the motivations of the leadership.
Costing their own members wages next week when there is a potential resolution on the table is a very strange behaviour.


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