Housing

[Stairway 2 7]

People not believing supply and demand is real is a thing is utterly baffling. You need to rewrite the whole concept of economics to think more houses won't decrease rents. Cutting the airbnbs will help cut rents like it has everywhere else, more social housing and more private housing

Saying John Burn Murdoch isn't impartiality or liberal just shows ignorance to be honest. He's took apart the Tory government methodically and better than any mainstream journo the last few years.

Here's a great article in the FT about tories using wedge issues
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...09147613282755

Here about cuts to doctors wages
https://archive.ph/wip/tiCEa

He used to write for the guardian here he wrote about rising food banks and crumbling schools 9 years ago
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...gency-food-aid

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...is-no-cash-nhs

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People not believing supply and demand is real is a thing is utterly baffling. You need to rewrite the whole concept of economics to think more houses won't decrease rents. Cutting the airbnbs will help cut rents like it has everywhere else, more social housing and more private housing

Saying John Burn Murdoch isn't impartiality or liberal just shows ignorance to be honest. He's took apart the Tory government methodically and better than any mainstream journo the last few years.

Here's a great article in the FT about tories using wedge issues
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...09147613282755

Here about cuts to doctors wages
https://archive.ph/wip/tiCEa

He used to write for the guardian here he wrote about rising food banks and crumbling schools 9 years ago
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...gency-food-aid

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...is-no-cash-nhs

It’s funny that when you talk about getting rid of Airbnb’s (something I support), the left suddenly believe in supply and demand.


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[superfurryhibby]

Good article here on planning and the housing crisis. https://www.planningdemocracy.org.uk...g-Crisis-4.pdf

It clearly explains some of the tensions around sustainability, planning and why we can't rely on the private sector to address our housing crisis.

"Over reliance on the private sector to deliver housing
Scotland and indeed the UK, have become increasingly reliant on the speculative private development
model to deliver homes and particularly the so-called volume housebuilders. Their business models
rely on buying up land, gaining planning permission then drip feeding housing on to the market,
building out slowly to keep house prices high.

But many, including the Scottish Land Commission, are now arguing that this model is broken and
won’t deliver the amount and kind of affordable housing that is needed. Neither does it produce the
right quality of housing located in the right places that we need to address net zero climate targets"

"Challenging the housing cartels

The volume housebuilders currently have an undue influence on policy, legislation and decisions. The
planning system has been captured by the interests of those it should be regulating. The development
lobby also control the markets. This is not right and needs to be challenged. We need to make a
complaint to the monopolies commission or request a review of anti-competitive practices.
Homes for Scotland sit at the top table when communities scrabble around for the crumbs.
Communities need equal access to policy and law makers"

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Good article here on planning and the housing crisis. https://www.planningdemocracy.org.uk...g-Crisis-4.pdf

It clearly explains some of the tensions around sustainability, planning and why we can't rely on the private sector to address our housing crisis.

"Over reliance on the private sector to deliver housing
Scotland and indeed the UK, have become increasingly reliant on the speculative private development
model to deliver homes and particularly the so-called volume housebuilders. Their business models
rely on buying up land, gaining planning permission then drip feeding housing on to the market,
building out slowly to keep house prices high.

But many, including the Scottish Land Commission, are now arguing that this model is broken and
won’t deliver the amount and kind of affordable housing that is needed. Neither does it produce the
right quality of housing located in the right places that we need to address net zero climate targets"

"Challenging the housing cartels

The volume housebuilders currently have an undue influence on policy, legislation and decisions. The
planning system has been captured by the interests of those it should be regulating. The development
lobby also control the markets. This is not right and needs to be challenged. We need to make a
complaint to the monopolies commission or request a review of anti-competitive practices.
Homes for Scotland sit at the top table when communities scrabble around for the crumbs.
Communities need equal access to policy and law makers"

All of that I agree with.


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[Hibrandenburg]

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It’s funny that when you talk about getting rid of Airbnb’s (something I support), the left suddenly believe in supply and demand.


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I think the principle of supply and demand is not foreign to the left, they just want it on a leash. Which is fair enough.

[Ozyhibby]

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I think the principle of supply and demand is not foreign to the left, they just want it on a leash. Which is fair enough.

I’m comfortable with that discussion, it’s just when it’s existence is denied I get humpty.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...4-7350FE754D29

Going hard for the nimby vote.


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[superfurryhibby]

https://greens.scot/news/community-l...cotland-thrive

From this year, an interesting read about alternative approaches to house building from the Green Party.

"Scottish Green MSP Ariane Burgess has called for community-led housing to be rolled out at speed and scale using a network of building hubs to help rural Scotland thrive.

Such a programme, she said, would help to ensure young people and families in particular, who are currently struggling to find affordable homes, can stay and contribute to local circular and well-being economies.

The Scottish Government has a commitment to build 11,000 new affordable rural homes in Scotland by 2032. Ms Burgess said the pace of that can be accelerated by looking at existing community-led models.

In her Members’ Debate at the Scottish Parliament Ariane Burgess said:

“This can be done by setting up construction hubs - staging areas for materials and equipment at key locations, so we aren’t starting from scratch every time.

“Materials would be purchased in bulk for a number of projects. This would reduce costs, and carbon emissions from hauling long distances, and create local employment, utilising the often overlooked North Highland circular economy and community wealth building potential.”

Ms Burgess, the Scottish Greens housing spokesperson, added:

“This model is not just for the Highlands, it could work in other parts of my region and in the south of Scotland.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/scottis...-to-six-months

I work in this industry and I haven’t seen rents rise as quickly as they have done since this policy was introduced. Every time I think they can’t go higher they do.


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[marinello59]

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https://news.stv.tv/politics/scottis...-to-six-months

I work in this industry and I haven’t seen rents rise as quickly as they have done since this policy was introduced. Every time I think they can’t go higher they do.


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The landlords screwing new tenants because their profits have dropped slightly due to having to do the right thing with existing tenants. I’m no fan of the Greens but they are spot on with this, good to see capitalism getting taken on here.

[Ozyhibby]

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The landlords screwing new tenants because their profits have dropped slightly due to having to do the right thing with existing tenants. I’m no fan of the Greens but they are spot on with this, good to see capitalism getting taken on here.

And who cares about the new tenants (usually young, or new to the city, immigrants etc) who are having to pay much higher rents?
Landlords are responding to the incentives price fixing creates. And has always created. Everywhere this has ever been implemented anywhere in the world has had exactly these results.
Support away but this is a disaster for tenants.


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[marinello59]

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And who cares about the new tenants (usually young, or new to the city, immigrants etc) who are having to pay much higher rents?
Landlords are responding to the incentives price fixing creates. And has always created. Everywhere this has ever been implemented anywhere in the world has had exactly these results.
Support away but this is a disaster for tenants.


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Not the profit driven private landlords who are the cause of much higher rents. Price fixing? It’s protecting tenants from greedy landlords who will pass any price increases plus some more for themselves on. That’s capitalism for you.
As always the social housing providers will look after those who can’t afford private rents , that predates any rent freeze , it’s always been the way.

[Ozyhibby]

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Not the profit driven private landlords who are the cause of much higher rents. Price fixing? It’s protecting tenants from greedy landlords who will pass any price increases plus some more for themselves on. That’s capitalism for you.
As always the social housing providers will look after those who can’t afford private rents , that predates any rent freeze , it’s always been the way.

It’s literally not protecting tenants. It’s making it worse.
It is not working. It’s making some people feel better and feel like they are helping but that’s no consolation to tenants who are having to pay much higher rents.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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https://news.stv.tv/politics/scottis...-to-six-months

I work in this industry and I haven’t seen rents rise as quickly as they have done since this policy was introduced. Every time I think they can’t go higher they do.


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I don't often look at rentals but one was advertised on the pitlochry Facebook recently, 3 bedroom, ground floor in a 15 year old development for £1150 a month and it's unfurnished!!!

No idea if that's reasonable or not but it makes me wonder who can afford that.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I don't often look at rentals but one was advertised on the pitlochry Facebook recently, 3 bedroom, ground floor in a 15 year old development for £1150 a month and it's unfurnished!!!

No idea if that's reasonable or not but it makes me wonder who can afford that.

Leith walk area is around £1200 for 1 bedroom £1500 pcm for 2 bedrooms £1900 for 3, it's exploded

No idea how a single person can afford that or a family for that matter. Genuinely feel sorry for people starting out right now

[marinello59]

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It’s literally not protecting tenants. It’s making it worse.
It is not working. It’s making some people feel better and feel like they are helping but that’s no consolation to tenants who are having to pay much higher rents.


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So how are private landlords who are only in it for the profit helping? They can cry all the crocodile tears they want, it’s high time their wings were clipped.

[Ozyhibby]

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So how are private landlords who are only in it for the profit helping? They can cry all the crocodile tears they want, it’s high time their wings were clipped.

This isn’t doing that though? Your saying two things at once. Your saying their wings have been clipped but that they are also profiteering? Which is it?


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[marinello59]

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This isn’t doing that though? Your saying two things at once. Your saying their wings have been clipped but that they are also profiteering? Which is it?


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Both.
Unless you are arguing private landlords aren’t in it for the profit.

[Ozyhibby]

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Both.
Unless you are arguing private landlords aren’t in it for the profit.

Of course they are in it for profit. As they should be.


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[marinello59]

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Of course they are in it for profit. As they should be.


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Profit before people. Parasites.

[Ozyhibby]

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Profit before people. Parasites.

The government have exited the market. You can’t expect individuals to provide social housing?
You are deliberately creating a shortage of housing and wondering why prices are rising.
Name calling won’t sort this.


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[marinello59]

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The government have exited the market. You can’t expect individuals to provide social housing?
You are deliberately creating a shortage of housing and wondering why prices are rising.
Name calling won’t sort this.


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It wasn’t me.

[Ozyhibby]

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It wasn’t me.

We then.


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[superfurryhibby]

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Leith walk area is around £1200 for 1 bedroom £1500 pcm for 2 bedrooms £1900 for 3, it's exploded

No idea how a single person can afford that or a family for that matter. Genuinely feel sorry for people starting out right now

Top end rent perhaps, there are plenty cheaper than the prices you quote. Still a lot of money for those that are in the gross small scale profiteering business

https://www.bing.com/homes/map?q=1%2...lk&form=000074

Landlord, slacken your noose.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Top end rent perhaps, there are plenty cheaper than the prices you quote. Still a lot of money for those that are in the gross small scale profiteering business

https://www.bing.com/homes/map?q=1%2...lk&form=000074

Landlord, slacken your noose.

Some lower and some higher less if unfurnished but near leith walk is dearer. Top 3 in your link are way above the numbers I said.

Regardless even at the lower end and unfurnished it's unbelievably dear. People's extra income is crippling those that are renting.

We need new housing and social housing but they won't come quick enough. Prices have rocketed the last 6 months and don't look like stopping

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[Ozyhibby]

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Some lower and some higher less if unfurnished but near leith walk is dearer. Top 3 in your link are way above the numbers I said.

Regardless even at the lower end and unfurnished it's unbelievably dear. People's extra income is crippling those that are renting.

We need new housing and social housing but they won't come quick enough. Prices have rocketed the last 6 months and don't look like stopping

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Doesn’t matter if they are rocketing in real life so long as people can pretend they are doing something about it with rent control. They are happy to throw tenants under the bus so long as they can virtue signal. It’s disgusting.


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[superfurryhibby]

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Some lower and some higher less if unfurnished but near leith walk is dearer. Top 3 in your link are way above the numbers I said.

Regardless even at the lower end and unfurnished it's unbelievably dear. People's extra income is crippling those that are renting.

We need new housing and social housing but they won't come quick enough. Prices have rocketed the last 6 months and don't look like stopping

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That should work better

https://www.bing.com/homes/map?q=1%2...lk&form=000074 Edit: Although I typed in the under £1000;00/month bit it resorts back to the full price range when posted. What does that tell you ;-)

It is unbelievably dear. Part of the whole gentrification process that is very damaging to Edinburgh and our younger population.

This leads me back to an earlier point.

There is a finite pot of money, we as a society need to spend it sensibly. There are choices, (like no more tram extensions) to be made.

There are also alternative models of housing and development.

Central and local government that serves it's people would be a good start.

[greenginger]

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Both.
Unless you are arguing private landlords aren’t in it for the profit.

Not always the only reasons people rent their property.

Both my daughters have nice Edinburgh flats , one worked abroad for 8 years the other down south and rented their flats when they were away.

Would the anti landlord brigade prefer that the flats were left empty for years or maybe sell up and buy new flats when they returned paying the Scottish government parasites a huge sum in land tax.

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Doesn’t matter if they are rocketing in real life so long as people can pretend they are doing something about it with rent control. They are happy to throw tenants under the bus so long as they can virtue signal. It’s disgusting.


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You mean the SNP government when you say "people"? Or maybe their supporters across diverse organisations, like Shelter or the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations?

It's almost like the some people are pretending that poor wee private market landlords aren't already maximising profits by milking our housing needy public for all they have.

[Ozyhibby]

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That should work better

https://www.bing.com/homes/map?q=1%2...lk&form=000074 Edit: Although I typed in the under £1000;00/month bit it resorts back to the full price range when posted. What does that tell you ;-)

It is unbelievably dear. Part of the whole gentrification process that is very damaging to Edinburgh and our younger population.

This leads me back to an earlier point.

There is a finite pot of money, we as a society need to spend it sensibly. There are choices, (like no more tram extensions) to be made.

There are also alternative models of housing and development.

Central and local government that serves it's people would be a good start.

There is not a finite pot of money.


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