SNP are lying b******s as well !

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The flaws with GERS have been well documented over the years. The information in it is often simply wrong and misleading, so who would really want to draw any firm conclusions from that?

If it was biased against Scotland financially there is not a chance snp wouldn't take it to court and fight it. Why wouldn't they.

But they release it and they accept it as a fair representation. If independence supporters think it biased why don't they attack snp for releasing it as is

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Scotland's Future, the Scottish Government publication that preceeded the referendum stated:

The starting point for this analysis is the National Statistics publication, Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS). GERS is the authoritative publication on Scotland's public finances.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/sc...uture/pages/6/

Was the Scottish Government mistaken?

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If it was biased against Scotland financially there is not a chance snp wouldn't take it to court and fight it. Why wouldn't they.

But they release it and they accept it as a fair representation. If independence supporters think it biased why don't they attack snp for releasing it as is

I'm not sure about independence supporters (everyone should be able to acknowledge its clear flaws), but the whole point of GERS was never to provide a fair and accurate representation of Scotland's finances. It was created by the Tories as a means of trying to dissuade people in Scotland from even wanting a devolved parliament let alone an independent Scotland. That was its purpose. That's why it exists. It's great to ask questions and be inquisitive, though. We just need to ackowledge the reality of the situation as a starting point.

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If it was biased against Scotland financially there is not a chance snp wouldn't take it to court and fight it. Why wouldn't they.

But they release it and they accept it as a fair representation. If independence supporters think it biased why don't they attack snp for releasing it as is

The report isn't unlawful, just mistakenly misunderstood as being unquestionably accurate by some people, when the report isn't even based on any definitive real world figures but economic outcome forecasts. Just because the Scottish Government uses it, doesn't necessarily mean that they accept it as a fair representation. They accept it as the only representation available.

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Scotland's Future, the Scottish Government publication that preceeded the referendum stated:

The starting point for this analysis is the National Statistics publication, Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS). GERS is the authoritative publication on Scotland's public finances.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/sc...uture/pages/6/

Was the Scottish Government mistaken?

GERS is literally the authoritative publication on Scotland's public finances.

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They use it as verbatim when they want

East Dunbartonshire and SNP Spokesperson for Pensions, Ms Callaghan mp said

I must also stress that an independent Scotland can completely afford to pay state pensions. Latest figures (GERS: 2020-21) show that even during the pandemic, without borrowing a single penny, Scottish tax revenue covered all devolved day to day spending (e.g., on the NHS and schools) as well as all spending in Scotland on the state pension and Universal Credit

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They use it as verbatim when they want

East Dunbartonshire and SNP Spokesperson for Pensions, Ms Callaghan mp said

I must also stress that an independent Scotland can completely afford to pay state pensions. Latest figures (GERS: 2020-21) show that even during the pandemic, without borrowing a single penny, Scottish tax revenue covered all devolved day to day spending (e.g., on the NHS and schools) as well as all spending in Scotland on the state pension and Universal Credit

Even I believe the historic spend stuff. It's when it starts forecasting and then there's the bit the Scottish Government has no control over it becomes a nonsense.

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Even I believe the historic spend stuff. It's when it starts forecasting and then there's the bit the Scottish Government has no control over it becomes a nonsense.

It's the Scottish Government that produces it.

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If it was biased against Scotland financially there is not a chance snp wouldn't take it to court and fight it. Why wouldn't they.

But they release it and they accept it as a fair representation. If independence supporters think it biased why don't they attack snp for releasing it as is

It's the best that can be made from garbage data, that's the point.

The problem the SNP have is that they were happy to use these flawed statistics when it suited them.

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It's the best that can be made from garbage data, that's the point.

The problem the SNP have is that they were happy to use these flawed statistics when it suited them.

Are you saying the numbers in Scotland's Future were flawed?

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He's generally thought of as a nutter. He said last summer to stop inflation boe should cut inflation rate and start quantative easing. If that doesn't tell you everything

Says who?

I take it you mean cut the interest rate - I've seen many economists who criticise the BoE approach to controlling inflation. Is he an outlier?

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Says who?

I take it you mean cut the interest rate - I've seen many economists who criticise the BoE approach to controlling inflation. Is he an outlier?

I wouldn't describe anyone as a nutter. But I do know that Richard Murphy isn't an economist.

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The flaws with GERS have been well documented over the years. The information in it is often simply wrong and misleading, so who would really want to draw any firm conclusions from that?

Is there a better alternative?

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Says who?

I take it you mean cut the interest rate - I've seen many economists who criticise the BoE approach to controlling inflation. Is he an outlier?

Most think he's ridiculous. They should probably cut rates now that interest is falling and going to continue. He said last year when they were rising they should cut it and follow that with quantitative easing, something that helped create the rise. To be fair thankfully everyone said he was ridiculous, but he ignores his mad shouts doesn't acknowledge he has been proven wrong and just pumps out another 100 blogs.

Even when talking about gers he says the snp produce it because they don't want independence and it helps show that clown

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Most think he's ridiculous. They should probably cut rates now that interest is falling and going to continue. He said last year when they were rising they should cut it and follow that with quantitative easing, something that helped create the rise. To be fair thankfully everyone said he was ridiculous, but he ignores his mad shouts doesn't acknowledge he has been proven wrong and just pumps out another 100 blogs.

Even when talking about gers he says the snp produce it because they don't want independence and it helps show that clown

The bank of England don't seem to think that quantitative easing necessarily caused inflation, are they nutters too?

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/spee...ocial-research

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The bank of England don't seem to think that quantitative easing necessarily caused inflation, are they nutters too?

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/spee...ocial-research

This isn't the bank of England and it doesn't say QE didn't contribute at all. I said helped increase interest rates. Of course I don't think it caused it I've said previously brexit is probably due 10% alone. Fuel and food the majority.

BOE definitely didn't think QE would help last summer and definitely didn't think cutting interest rates in July last year when murphy suggested it, hence it increased them a large amount.

I don't think they should have risen today but that's a different story

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This is old news about Murphy. Last year when he ripped apart SNPs independence paper, everyone said he's best ignored and I agreed

Richard Murphy: SNP currency plans for independence are 'so wrong' I'd switch to No

https://archive.ph/gdSVd

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This isn't the bank of England and it doesn't say QE didn't contribute at all. I said helped increase interest rates. Of course I don't think it caused it I've said previously brexit is probably due 10% alone. Fuel and food the majority.

BOE definitely didn't think QE would help last summer and definitely didn't think cutting interest rates in July last year when murphy suggested it, hence it increased them a large amount.

I don't think they should have risen today but that's a different story

It quite literally is is the deputy governor, monetary policy for the bank of England?

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It quite literally is is the deputy governor, monetary policy for the bank of England?

One person doing a speech isn't the BOE as an entity, but that's not the main point. The fact the boe literally did the opposite of what Murphy suggested is

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Most think he's ridiculous.

Who does? Provide some evidence.

Edit: Don't bother. I'm not interested.

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Who does? Provide some evidence.

Edit: Don't bother. I'm not interested.

Keep posting but not interested? Do you agree with him that SNPs independence paper finances are so bad you should vote no

There's articles from Adam Smith institute, and Forbes saying he's an idiot and not an economist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...-outraged/amp/

In this post 2 years ago he says we shouldn't be worried about inflation lol lol
https://youtu.be/NgV0-jKjqbc

In this blog post last spring he said rising inflation was unexpected ffs I can post 10 articles with every real economists saying high inflation is coming

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...nking-will-do/

This is his best and another reason hes an idiot. He says delaying the first and second vaccine dose was wrong. Imperial college research shows it saved 10,000 lives and another 60,000 hospitalisations. He said AZ didn't work. It stopped 99% of deaths. WHO estimates it saved 6,300,000 lives in its first year

https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/s...12848935784448
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Three thoughts on vaccines. First, the second dose delay was obviously a mistake. Second AZ is clearly not ‘highly effective’ as claimed. It has an impact, but only a bit more than is necessary to be considered worthwhile. And third, the gov’t is still lying about all this

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Although you're absolutely free to express your thoughts, it would be wise to share them if they are relevant to your area of expertise. And public health is not that area

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I am discussing data and governance. Both are well within my areas expertise. So, politely, stop taking nonsense

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It's the best that can be made from garbage data, that's the point.

The problem the SNP have is that they were happy to use these flawed statistics when it suited them.

UK Stylee... Ken?

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Keep posting but not interested? Do you agree with him that SNPs independence paper finances are so bad you should vote no

There's articles from Adam Smith institute, and Forbes saying he's an idiot and not an economist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...-outraged/amp/

In this post 2 years ago he says we shouldn't be worried about inflation lol lol
https://youtu.be/NgV0-jKjqbc

In this blog post last spring he said rising inflation was unexpected ffs I can post 10 articles with every real economists saying high inflation is coming

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...nking-will-do/

This is his best and another reason hes an idiot. He says delaying the first and second vaccine dose was wrong. Imperial college research shows it saved 10,000 lives and another 60,000 hospitalisations. He said AZ didn't work. It stopped 99% of deaths. WHO estimates it saved 6,300,000 lives in its first year

https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/s...12848935784448
@RichardJMurphy
Three thoughts on vaccines. First, the second dose delay was obviously a mistake. Second AZ is clearly not ‘highly effective’ as claimed. It has an impact, but only a bit more than is necessary to be considered worthwhile. And third, the gov’t is still lying about all this

@MSStavroulaUHS
Although you're absolutely free to express your thoughts, it would be wise to share them if they are relevant to your area of expertise. And public health is not that area

@RichardJMurphy
I am discussing data and governance. Both are well within my areas expertise. So, politely, stop taking nonsense

What are you gonna do when Elon musk breaks twitter

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What are you gonna do when Elon musk breaks twitter

There was four links so probably use the Internet simply. If he does something similar will replace it as its how news is told now. Traditional media are for the old people. I was watching a discussion from the editors of the I and financial Times they both said newsrooms round the country are basically full of people constantly on twitter. A newspaper is two days old news and the TV and Internet articles are yesterday's reviews of twitter. Hopefully he loses control of it as it's by far the world's best source of news

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There was four links so probably use the Internet simply. If he does something similar will replace it as its how news is told now. Traditional media are for the old people. I was watching a discussion from the editors of the I and financial Times they both said newsrooms round the country are basically full of people constantly on twitter. A newspaper is two days old news and the TV and Internet articles are yesterday's reviews of twitter. Hopefully he loses control of it as it's by far the world's best source of information

Don't waste your time on Bluesky it's pretty crap so far.

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Don't waste your time on Bluesky it's pretty crap so far.

Was praying for threads but it was a crap twitter. Twitter is going downhill fast. It's smooth and has some good new features. But it's getting filled with right wing ****. I bite and comment at them, then feel guilty as I realise they get promoted and now monetized by engagement. It's also the biggest waste of time, must have spent hundreds of hours arguing with activaxers like a complete tit

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Was praying for threads but it was a crap twitter. Twitter is going downhill fast. It's smooth and has some good new features. But it's getting filled with right wing ****. I bite and comment at them, then feel guilty as I realise they get promoted and now monetized by engagement. It's also the biggest waste of time, must have spent hundreds of hours arguing with activaxers like a complete tit

When was Twitter ever uphill? It has always been a cesspit. But it's certainly gone from the bottom of the hill, all the way into the ground towards the deep pits of hell.

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When was Twitter ever uphill? It has always been a cesspit. But it's certainly gone from the bottom of the hill, all the way into the ground towards the deep pits of hell.

I think before if you just followed the right people, I pretty much follow journalists I like and hibs, you could miss a lot of bile. But it seems to find its way through now. It's a shame because it got too important to get taken over by one person who is easily led.

I think this thread is snp mind. Stephen Flynn was very good on radio 2. Being pretty clear about oil reduction we'll see and how the jobs in the North East have to be switched to green jobs. There could be economic hard times in the North if we don't act now and green jobs are definitely the way to do it. I hope Flynn can switch to a Holyrood seat as he'd be a great FM in my opinion

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I think before if you just followed the right people, I pretty much follow journalists I like and hibs, you could miss a lot of bile. But it seems to find its way through now. It's a shame because it got too important to get taken over by one person who is easily led.

I think this thread is snp mind. Stephen Flynn was very good on radio 2. Being pretty clear about oil reduction we'll see and how the jobs in the North East have to be switched to green jobs. There could be economic hard times in the North if we don't act now and green jobs are definitely the way to do it. I hope Flynn can switch to a Holyrood seat as he'd be a great FM in my opinion

Have to say that I totally agree with you on Flynn. He’s a real talent. His comms skills are excellent.
Great interview with him here on Newsagents podcast.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...=1000622942006

He might have to move to Holyrood once they suspend him from parliament for using his headed paper.


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I'd imagine that privately Yousaf could see this court action far enough, especially as it's likely to play out against the by-election backdrop, but feels duty-bound to go through with it.