(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Are you saying the Presidential Records Act does not exist ?

Where did I say that?

[cabbageandribs1875]

[greenginger]

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Where did I say that?

It was mentioned on Fox News and you don’t believe anything on Fox News

[Kato]

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It was mentioned on Fox News and you don’t believe anything on Fox News

It's not whether it exists it whether it applies in this case.



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It was mentioned on Fox News and you don’t believe anything on Fox News

Really? You thought it worth typing this out?

(Don't bother answering).

[Mibbes Aye]

Saw Gordon Brown at the Borders Book Festival yesterday.

Talking about Donald Trump "In the US, they like their presidents to have conviction. And in Donald Trump they have a candidate who has convictions."

Also in relation to Trump, "...the only President who has paid more in fines than taxes"

[s.a.m]

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No , not without some deep thought.

Are you saying the Presidential Records Act does not exist ?

Here is the text of the National Archives (the people responsible for receiving and storing and securing Presidential Records under the Act) statement about the claim you're referring to:

Press Statements in Response to Media Queries About Presidential Records
Media Alert ·Friday, June 9, 2023

June 9, 2023, statement

Recent media reports have generated a large number of queries about Presidential records and the Presidential Records Act (PRA), 44 U.S.C. 2201-2209. The PRA requires that all records created by Presidents (and Vice-Presidents) be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) at the end of their administrations. Below is additional information about how NARA carries out its responsibilities under the PRA. Please note that the PRA treats the records of the President and those of the Vice President in almost the same manner such that, in most cases below, President and Vice President can be used interchangeably.

How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents?
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA.

How does NARA store the records of an outgoing President after the end of an administration?
In the past, and in accordance with the Presidential Libraries Act (44 U.S.C. 2112), former Presidents would fund, build, endow, and donate to NARA a traditional Presidential Library (NARA-operated traditional Presidential Libraries exist from Presidents Hoover through George W. Bush). Accordingly, NARA would arrange to move the Presidential records to a temporary NARA facility near the designated location of the forthcoming Library – e.g., Hoffman Estates, IL, for the records of President Obama (who subsequently decided not to build a Presidential Library for NARA, see below); Dallas, TX, for President George W. Bush; Little Rock, AR, for President Clinton. In each case, the facility was modified to meet NARA requirements for records storage and security, NARA had physical and legal custody of the records from the end of the Administration, and the temporary facility was under the exclusive control of NARA.
NARA no longer expects to move Presidential records to a temporary facility outside of Washington, DC, given the relatively small volume of paper Presidential records created by recent administrations, as compared to the huge volume of electronic records and the strong interest in the digitization of paper records. In addition, the increased endowment requirements first applicable to President Obama under the Presidential Libraries Act may impact decisions by former Presidents concerning whether to build a traditional Presidential Library for NARA.
Prior to the end of his administration, President Trump did not communicate any intent to NARA with regard to funding, building, endowing, and donating a Presidential Library to NARA under the Presidential Libraries Act. Accordingly, the Trump Presidential records have been and continue to be maintained by NARA in the Washington, DC, area, and there was no reason for NARA to consider a temporary facility in Florida or elsewhere.

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Did President Obama take Presidential records to Chicago after he left office?
No. When President Obama left office in 2017, NARA took physical and legal custody of the records of his administration in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. NARA made arrangements to move the roughly 30 million pages of paper Presidential records of the Obama administration to a federally acquired, modified, and secured temporary facility that NARA leased in Hoffman Estates, IL, which meets NARA’s requirements for records storage and security. NARA moved the records to Hoffman Estates because of the intention of President Obama to build a Presidential Library in the Chicago area.
Subsequently, former President Obama decided not to fund, build, endow, and donate a physical Presidential Library to NARA (his foundation is building a privately operated Presidential Center that will not have archival storage for any Presidential records). Instead, the Obama Foundation agreed to help pay for the cost of digitizing the unclassified paper records and for the cost of moving the classified and unclassified records from NARA’s temporary facility in Hoffman Estates to other NARA-controlled facilities (for which NARA otherwise would have to pay). A September 2018 Letter of Intent from the Obama Foundation to the Archivist of the United States addresses Obama’s commitment to paying for these costs; but it in no way suggests that Obama had physical custody of any Presidential records. As NARA stated in September 2022, neither former President Obama nor his foundation “had possession or control over the [Presidential] records” of his administration.

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Did Presidents before Nixon have total control over their records?
Prior to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which first applied to President Reagan, all of the official records of the White House were considered the personal property of the President (from Presidents Washington to Carter). Presidents Hoover through Carter chose to donate their records to NARA, along with the Presidential Library buildings where they are stored.
While these Presidents had control over their personal papers, they lacked control over the classification status of any records that were classified. The classification status of the information in the papers remained under the control of the U.S. Government.
The Nixon records, including the Watergate tapes, were seized and transferred to NARA in 1974 by a federal law, known as the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act (PRMPA), 44 U.S.C. 2111, note. In response to the Nixon issue, Congress enacted the Presidential Records Act in 1978 to change legal ownership of Presidential records from the President to the United States Government, which took effect at the beginning of the Reagan administration.

Did NARA provide archival assistance to the Trump Administration during the transition of records at the end of his administration?
Yes. As explained in NARA’s April 23, 2023, press statement, NARA’s General Counsel sent a letter on February 10, 2023, to the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, clarifying a prior response he had given to the Committee. The letter explained that NARA did send staff members to the White House in the final weeks of the Trump Administration to assist with the move of the physical records (including artifacts), which was similar to the assistance that NARA had provided to the White House during the three previous Presidential transitions.

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What are “Presidential records” under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?
"’Presidential records’ means documentary materials created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” "
https://www.archives.gov/press/press.../2022/nr22-001

[Lendo]

https://youtu.be/7KRceywz-rU

This video from Legal Eagle on YouTube breaks it down in pretty simple terms and talks about why Pence and Biden aren’t facing the same legal issues.

All about the cover up now really. As the saying going, it’s always worse than the crime itself.

[Just Alf]

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https://youtu.be/7KRceywz-rU

This video from Legal Eagle on YouTube breaks it down in pretty simple terms and talks about why Pence and Biden aren’t facing the same legal issues.

All about the cover up now really. As the saying going, it’s always worse than the crime itself.

Last bit sounds familiar... as old Boris is finding out.

[cabbageandribs1875]

another rioter gets jail time, at first i thought it was a lengthy sentence but after reading further what the sh*tbag done to that cop he's lucky it's not 20 years

Capitol rioter who shocked police officer with stun gun is sentenced to over 12 years in prison (msn.com)

[cabbageandribs1875]

the big vile Pumpkin should be remanded in custody, rikers will do

Trump faces four criminal counts as six co-conspirators listed in January 6 indictment – live (theguardian.com)

[Haymaker]

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the big vile Pumpkin should be remanded in custody, rikers will do

Trump faces four criminal counts as six co-conspirators listed in January 6 indictment – live (theguardian.com)

Unfortunately these are Federal charges so it would most likely be Terre Haute or the lovely surroundings of ADX Florence.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Unfortunately these are Federal charges so it would most likely be Terre Haute or the lovely surroundings of ADX Florence.

good he can get a cell next to El chapo


as long as he never gets to enter the White House again

[AltheHibby]

Must not make a rhyming joke about anyone entering his White House while in prison.

[Ozyhibby]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

ain't this true

[BroxburnHibee]

The latest indictment is unbelievable. I just listened to a podcast of it all and it beggars belief how the hell he is leading the polls.

The republican party is now basically a cult.

[Hibrandenburg]

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The latest indictment is unbelievable. I just listened to a podcast of it all and it beggars belief how the hell he is leading the polls.

The republican party is now basically a cult.

The Republic Party is divided, there's those who think Trump is a charlatan and those who think he's being persecuted. The problem is that those who think he's being persecuted are firmly behind Trump and those who think he's a crook are all divided amongst other potential candidates.

[Stairway 2 7]

The poll of polls for Republican nomination are as clear as I've ever seen for them in opposition, he'll walk it and then unbelievably favourite for the white House

Trump53.4%
DeSantis15.6%
Ramaswamy6.9%
Pence4.4%
Haley3.0%
Scott2.9%
Christie2.6%
Hutchinson0.7%

[Mon Dieu4]

In some ways I get why people vote for folk like Trump etc but I really despair about the fact they genuinely think that they give a flying **** about anyone but themselves and care about them, mental

[Stairway 2 7]

Americans are so entrenched. Loads decide what they watch on TV, music the listen to and beer they drink on political lines. There's many the same in the uk but not the same percentage. When boris got charged for his covid parties they slid down the polls. Republicans seem more entrenched after he's been indicted

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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The poll of polls for Republican nomination are as clear as I've ever seen for them in opposition, he'll walk it and then unbelievably favourite for the white House

Trump53.4%
DeSantis15.6%
Ramaswamy6.9%
Pence4.4%
Haley3.0%
Scott2.9%
Christie2.6%
Hutchinson0.7%

[Stairway 2 7]

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You think he'll get prosecuted. He's surely guilty looking at the information yesterday, I can't see it though

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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You think he'll get prosecuted. He's surely guilty looking at the information yesterday, I can't see it though

Even if he is prosecuted, there is no law in the US preventing him from campaigning for presidency from his jail cell. It's completely insane. But in the US, you're not allowed to vote behind bars. But you're allowed to vote for somebody who is behind bars.

[cabbageandribs1875]

as expected fourth indictment for the orange one https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...election-video

[Stairway 2 7]

Arrest warrant has been issued, sheriff confirms mug shots will be taken 😆

[McD]

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Even if he is prosecuted, there is no law in the US preventing him from campaigning for presidency from his jail cell. It's completely insane. But in the US, you're not allowed to vote behind bars. But you're allowed to vote for somebody who is behind bars.

Agreed, an utterly insane situation

[Ozyhibby]

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Arrest warrant has been issued, sheriff confirms mug shots will be taken

And there is no power to pardon for this one.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Trump has just been hit with a RICO charge from the state of Georgia which carries a mandatory 5 year prison sentence with no option of suspension or parole. Will be interesting to see how he tries to squirm his way out of this one.My bet would be more unhinged rants on social media over communist judges and juries or some nonsense.