Coronavirus

[grunt]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

you’re correct, it’s not. However, the caveat to that is, if a country didn’t do much testing, then they can rarely know if covid played a part in someone’s death. There’s huge variance about how much testing was done from one country to another, so the graph shown isn’t really much help. I’m not even sure if the same definition of a covid death is used.

What's the point in my going to all this effort to show that the UK Govt is hopeless if you're going to come along and post reasonable arguments that show it might not be?

[McD]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

What's the point in my going to all this effort to show that the UK Govt is hopeless if you're going to come along and post reasonable arguments that show it might not be?

To be honest, I was close to adding a point about there being plenty of ammunition for kicking the uk govt separate from covid hahaha

and a well deserved kicking it would be

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

What's the point in my going to all this effort to show that the UK Govt is hopeless if you're going to come along and post reasonable arguments that show it might not be?

There can't be anything more hopeless in a disgusting fatal way, than trying to make more space in hospitals by getting old people, lying that your testing them, don't test them, send them to old folks homes where you then cause deaths.

That's the kind off stuff people should be in court for. Getting unqualified friends contracts for ppe that they have no history of making, also should cause court cases.

The deliberate lying and profiteering seems to have been unequally British. Also the state of the NHS which didn't help and now is causing excess deaths to continue. The NHS is on the edge and I don't think labour has an answer either unfortunately

I

[Moulin Yarns]

Meanwhile....
https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/st...H0h-a714g&s=19


Read it and weap.

[wookie70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Meanwhile....
https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/st...H0h-a714g&s=19


Read it and weap.

It is a particularly sad demonstration of how the voting population are so easily fooled. It is so obviously fake but will have done the rounds and cemented quite a few views or encouraged more hard of thinking folks to think differently. All it goes to prove is it is very easy to manipulate on social media. The issue is that democracy is no longer about truth and weight of argument but about likes, shares and lies.

[Stairway 2 7]

Covid vaccines saved an estimated 20 million lives in there first year a new study finds 👏

https://twitter.com/jonathanstea/sta...47077605621761

[Keith_M]

Me and the missus are living proof that Covid is definitely not over. Despite having both gone through it in August of last year, we both tested positive (again) on Monday.

She was hit quite badly this time, whereas I just seem to be exhausted more than anything.

It's put paid to our plans for the weekend, as I was going to the game and she was gonna go to the Botanic Gardens for the first time in ages. Even if we're feeling better by Sunday, I wouldn't want to risk passing it on to anybody

[Jay]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Me and the missus are living proof that Covid is definitely not over. Despite having both gone through it in August of last year, we both tested positive (again) on Monday.

She was hit quite badly this time, whereas I just seem to be exhausted more than anything.

It's put paid to our plans for the weekend, as I was going to the game and she was gonna go to the Botanic Gardens for the first time in ages. Even if we're feeling better by Sunday, I wouldn't want to risk passing it on to anybody

Went through my workplace a couple of weeks ago and 3 of my family members have had it in the last week or so. It's seems It's the sore throat and tiredness that's worse this time around.

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Me and the missus are living proof that Covid is definitely not over. Despite having both gone through it in August of last year, we both tested positive (again) on Monday.

She was hit quite badly this time, whereas I just seem to be exhausted more than anything.

It's put paid to our plans for the weekend, as I was going to the game and she was gonna go to the Botanic Gardens for the first time in ages. Even if we're feeling better by Sunday, I wouldn't want to risk passing it on to anybody

It'll never be over, its joined the other endemic coronaviruses. The majority of the population will get it once every year now unfortunately. Everyone should get a booster each year to blunt it if they are offered. Hope your both better soon

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Went through my workplace a couple of weeks ago and 3 of my family members have had it in the last week or so. It's seems It's the sore throat and tiredness that's worse this time around.

Yeah, that's pretty much how it's affected me.

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It'll never be over, its joined the other endemic coronaviruses. The majority of the population will get it once every year now unfortunately. Everyone should get a booster each year to blunt it if they are offered. Hope your both better soon

Cheers

[Pretty Boy]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Went through my workplace a couple of weeks ago and 3 of my family members have had it in the last week or so. It's seems It's the sore throat and tiredness that's worse this time around.

It took a wee tour through my work a month or so ago as well.

I either managed to avoid it or I was completely asymptomatic. I'm leaning towards the former as no one else in the house got ill either.

Then again I have a child in P1 and another in nursery so our house must be immune to just about everything now as we have had the lot

[Glory Lurker]

What do folk who have better informed opinions than me think of this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2351604.html

I have to say that my gut is to agree. I wasn't sold on lockdown at the start but put that down to me being just a punter. I supported most of the measures up until the December 21 lockdown and came out of it all wondering if it had been over zealous. Passing of time, and memory perhaps, sees me wondering what we were playing at.

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

What do folk who have better informed opinions than me think of this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2351604.html

I have to say that my gut is to agree. I wasn't sold on lockdown at the start but put that down to me being just a punter. I supported most of the measures up until the December 21 lockdown and came out of it all wondering if it had been over zealous. Passing of time, and memory perhaps, sees me wondering what we were playing at.

It's entirely possible that, in retrospect, some of the rules were a bit over the top, but it was an exceptional set of circumstances.

I think many governments and health organisations erred on the side of caution, mostly because they weren't sure quite what they were dealing with.


In saying that, though, there were occasions when relaxing the rules actually caused massive increases in the number of people catching the disease, for example the 'Eat Out To Help Out' scheme. Events like that made me think that the cautious approach probably was for the best after all.

[Pretty Boy]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

What do folk who have better informed opinions than me think of this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2351604.html

I have to say that my gut is to agree. I wasn't sold on lockdown at the start but put that down to me being just a punter. I supported most of the measures up until the December 21 lockdown and came out of it all wondering if it had been over zealous. Passing of time, and memory perhaps, sees me wondering what we were playing at.

I've always argued that history will judge our covid response harshly. That is easy to say with hindsight though. For all I don't care for many of our leaders of the time politically or ideologically, from Sturgeon to Johnson, I don't envy the position they were put in. It must have been a horrendous decision to wrestle with and a meaningful balance without the information we have now must have been near impossible to achieve.

I thought lockdown and the public response actually showed quite a nasty underside to a lot of the public that transcended any political ideology. People who for various reasons were in a relatively fortunate position when it came to getting through it lacking much in the way of empathy for those who weren't in such a position. People in spacious homes with big garden and financial security sneering at those who found it difficult because they were confined to a small flat with limited outdoor space and insecure employment in heavily impacted industries. The same people not brave enough to confront their own prejudices but rather projecting them onto 'doctors and nurses' and the like.

I found lockdown a real challenge, I was delighted to go back to work after only a few weeks and struggled when I was furloughed again when hospitality was shut down again in October/November 2020. I found it hard watching people I had dealt with for years lose their businesses. I struggled watching my daughters formative years in education be very stop start and her personality become increasingly withdrawn and less sociable. By the end I'll admit to pushing the boundaries of the rules to breaking point and probably beyond.

I hope studies such as the one linked and the enquiry as a whole put us in a position to be far better prepared when, not if, something like this happens again. I also hope those in power are more willing to consult a wider range of experts when preparing a response. There are academics in Scotland who argued the wrong people, without specific expertise in a disease like COVID, were far too influential in the decision making process. That at least 2 of those individuals are heavily involved in our response to avian flu suggests at least some lessons have already been learned.

[Pretty Boy]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It's entirely possible that, in retrospect, some of the rules were a bit over the top, but it was an exceptional set of circumstances.

I think many governments and health organisations erred on the side of caution, mostly because they weren't sure quite what they were dealing with.


In saying that, though, there were occasions when relaxing the rules actually caused massive increases in the number of people catching the disease, for example the 'Eat Out To Help Out' scheme. Events like that made me think that the cautious approach probably was for the best after all.

I think Eat out to Help Out is an easy target.

Of course it was potentially unwise but much of the University of Warwick paper that attributed a huge rise in infection to the scheme was debated against after peer review and some of the media headlines were largely discredited.

It's worth noting that during and the weeks after EOHO the infection rate in the UK was broadly in line with comparable European nations that had no such scheme.

[Stairway 2 7]

I think the study is a bit of a nonsense as it's going by recorded deaths, how can you compare us, to nations that had no lockdown did little tests and recorded a small number of deaths.

It was brutal but there was no choice but trying lockdown and praying vaccines worked. About 20% of the population had been exposed to the virus when the vaccines started rolling. The rest caught it after being vaccinated. Your saying the vaccines didn't work if you think getting more exposed pre rollout. Obviously everyone never got vaccinated but the ones with the highest chance of dying were vaccinated in the high 90s %.

I've seen studies from both mathematicians and epidemiologists both estimate deaths of 500k if we were all exposed pre vaccine

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I think Eat out to Help Out is an easy target.

Of course it was potentially unwise but much of the University of Warwick paper that attributed a huge rise in infection to the scheme was debated against after peer review and some of the media headlines were largely discredited.

It's worth noting that during and the weeks after EOHO the infection rate in the UK was broadly in line with comparable European nations that had no such scheme.

There was a low rate, but places with higher uptake of eoho had higher increases in the following weeks. Oxford study

https://academic.oup.com/ej/article/132/643/1200/6382847

Demontford uni study shows a rise in deaths in the Pakistani community due to eoho, 30% of the community work in hospitality
https://www.dmu.ac.uk/about-dmu/news/2021/july/eat-out-to-help-out-caused-dramatic-rise-in-deaths.aspx


It wasn't a big enough scheme or behavioural change to cause a nation wide rise or fall, no single mitigation is. But it obviously isn't a help pre vaccination. Sunak was very anti any mitigations, having nut jobs like Dr Gupta talking to the cabinet.

[Just Alf]

We were always saying that excess deaths will be the only real measure of success or otherwise in dealing with the pandemic.

Well here it is....

BBC News - Covid: How do UK pandemic death rates compare?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65975154

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

We were always saying that excess deaths will be the only real measure of success or otherwise in dealing with the pandemic.

Well here it is....

BBC News - Covid: How do UK pandemic death rates compare?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65975154

We did better than the European average. Only a handful of European nations did better. Sweeden did better than most nations with the least restrictions. I think a great health service, healthy nation and attitude change might have done the heavy lifting in Sweeden, but God knows.

No surprise the nations with least vaccination did the worse or that Scotland and England did about the same

[Callum_62]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

We did better than the European average. Only a handful of European nations did better. Sweeden did better than most nations with the least restrictions. I think a great health service, healthy nation and attitude change might have done the heavy lifting in Sweeden, but God knows.

No surprise the nations with least vaccination did the worse or that Scotland and England did about the same

My sister in law that lives in Sweden also suggests they tend to be a much less social bunch than she's experienced elsewhere

Household mixing by culture (in her eyes) was already at a low bar

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk

[Bridge hibs]

Tested positive for a second time this morning. Had been ill since Sunday with stomach cramps, diarrhoea and sickness, felt that way early Sunday morning, couldnt eat or take my diabetes meds so only drinking water

Started to feel a wee bit better this morning but developed a bit of an itchy throat and a slight cough so thought **** it I will test, ****ing positive, have my Auntys funeral on Thursday too 🥲

[WeeRussell]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Tested positive for a second time this morning. Had been ill since Sunday with stomach cramps, diarrhoea and sickness, felt that way early Sunday morning, couldnt eat or take my diabetes meds so only drinking water

Started to feel a wee bit better this morning but developed a bit of an itchy throat and a slight cough so thought **** it I will test, ****ing positive, have my Auntys funeral on Thursday too 🥲

Very like the symptoms I had, albeit at Christmas time 2021! My sickness only lasted a day and was definitely the worst part. Didn’t test positive for about 4 days after by which time it was the throat and cough you described, with mild flu feeling and very tired… and it was a wedding I missed as a result.

Fingers crossed you can turn round quicker and get to the funeral, but I’d be setting myself to be spending a few days in yet. Sounds like you should be past the worst symptoms wise though 👍

[Bridge hibs]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Very like the symptoms I had, albeit at Christmas time 2021! My sickness only lasted a day and was definitely the worst part. Didn’t test positive for about 4 days after by which time it was the throat and cough you described, with mild flu feeling and very tired… and it was a wedding I missed as a result.

Fingers crossed you can turn round quicker and get to the funeral, but I’d be setting myself to be spending a few days in yet. Sounds like you should be past the worst symptoms wise though 👍

Cheers mate, yeah a bit of a double whammy, thought it was just something I had eaten and the sore throat with the sickness but bloody positive again, feel ok apart from a bit of a cough though and entirely different from my previous covid symptoms

[Hibbyradge]

I've been feeling awful for a couple of days and although I was negative yesterday, I tested positive this evening.

The symptoms have been weird though. Along with the fatigue and fluey feeling, I've been getting a very sore throat through the night, only to find it's gone in the morning. I actually started to wonder if it had been sore at all. (It had).

Last night, I coughed for about 4 hours nonstop but that's eased off quite a bit too. Tfft because it was getting bloody sore.

It's not gone away, that's for sure.

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I've been feeling awful for a couple of days and although I was negative yesterday, I tested positive this evening.

The symptoms have been weird though. Along with the fatigue and fluey feeling, I've been getting a very sore throat through the night, only to find it's gone in the morning. I actually started to wonder if it had been sore at all. (It had).

Last night, I coughed for about 4 hours nonstop but that's eased off quite a bit too. Tfft because it was getting bloody sore.

It's not gone away, that's for sure.

It'll never go away its endemic and most will get it every few years. The testing is tiny so most will put it down as a cold. I'd keep topping up my boosters if anyone is eligible as it really does dampen its effect

[Hibbyradge]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It'll never go away its endemic and most will get it every few years. The testing is tiny so most will put it down as a cold. I'd keep topping up my boosters if anyone is eligible as it really does dampen its effect

I'll definitely top up if/when I get offered a booster.

[Since90+2]

I see there are still vaccination centres dotted about. Can you just drop in and get another vaccine?

[Hibbyradge]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I see there are still vaccination centres dotted about. Can you just drop in and get another vaccine?

I don't think that's the case in York.

[Since90+2]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I don't think that's the case in York.

Probably not, but when I walk past them in Edinburgh there's hardly anybody ever in them but staff dotted around.

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I'll definitely top up if/when I get offered a booster.

Good man hopefully loads do. Get well soon and a good excuse to get the feet up and eat ice cream