SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Aye, but what about the Ferries eh.

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These stone age auditors need to wake up and realise they're in the 21st century. Complete rubbish, if true.

[Caversham Green]

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These stone age auditors need to wake up and realise they're in the 21st century. Complete rubbish, if true.

Yep, that doesn't look like nearly enough to justify any sort of qualification. It also doesn't cover the prior year point in the audit report (per the BBC article) or the membership and raffle points.

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It's refreshing to have the accountant branch of the Hibs supporters club on here to give some insight into the accounts and audit situation rather than the bluster from a few posters.

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The Scottish Government asked in 2012 and were given the permission to hold a referendum. Since then the question has been asked numerous times and permission has been refused. Ergo the democratic process has changed fundamentally!

The permission was granted after a Salmond-led SNP won their first and so far only majority at Holyrood. Since then the dial hasn't moved when it comes to support for independence. As Mibbes Aye points out, nine years of being bad losers and whinging about the need for another referendum doesn't equate to democracy bring denied. If the SNP haven't been able to make any headway against a backdrop of Brexit and one of the most calamity-ridden UK governments of all time it's pretty clear they never will. At least part of the reason Salmond oversaw such a spectacular surge in support for the SNP was because he commanded respect as a First Minister who would govern better than a stale, lacklustre and complacent Scottish Labour party. As the subsequent referendum showed, a significant number of voters were content to vote SNP when it came to forming a devolved government but not to extend that faith in them to governing an independent Scotland.

Salmond may not command that respect any more but he was correct to point out that Sturgeon's legacy consists of a handful of 'silly little policies' that do nothing for voters.

Yousaf's dwindling band of clapping seals can continue to pay lip service to the independence cause but the truth is the SNP are a mess right now and he knows there's no chance of another referendum any day soon. Simply holding on to power in Scotland is his biggest concern.

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The permission was granted after a Salmond-led SNP won their first and so far only majority at Holyrood. Since then the dial hasn't moved when it comes to support for independence. As Mibbes Aye points out, nine years of being bad losers and whinging about the need for another referendum doesn't equate to democracy bring denied. If the SNP haven't been able to make any headway against a backdrop of Brexit and one of the most calamity-ridden UK governments of all time it's pretty clear they never will. At least part of the reason Salmond oversaw such a spectacular surge in support for the SNP was because he commanded respect as a First Minister who would govern better than a stale, lacklustre and complacent Scottish Labour party. As the subsequent referendum showed, a significant number of voters were content to vote SNP when it came to forming a devolved government but not to extend that faith in them to governing an independent Scotland.

Salmond may not command that respect any more but he was correct to point out that Sturgeon's legacy consists of a handful of 'silly little policies' that do nothing for voters.

Yousaf's dwindling band of clapping seals can continue to pay lip service to the independence cause but the truth is the SNP are a mess right now and he knows there's no chance of another referendum any day soon. Simply holding on to power in Scotland is his biggest concern.

Are you really so blinkered to see the UK government refusal to allow a referendum isn't denying democracy??

[Ozyhibby]

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The permission was granted after a Salmond-led SNP won their first and so far only majority at Holyrood. Since then the dial hasn't moved when it comes to support for independence. As Mibbes Aye points out, nine years of being bad losers and whinging about the need for another referendum doesn't equate to democracy bring denied. If the SNP haven't been able to make any headway against a backdrop of Brexit and one of the most calamity-ridden UK governments of all time it's pretty clear they never will. At least part of the reason Salmond oversaw such a spectacular surge in support for the SNP was because he commanded respect as a First Minister who would govern better than a stale, lacklustre and complacent Scottish Labour party. As the subsequent referendum showed, a significant number of voters were content to vote SNP when it came to forming a devolved government but not to extend that faith in them to governing an independent Scotland.

Salmond may not command that respect any more but he was correct to point out that Sturgeon's legacy consists of a handful of 'silly little policies' that do nothing for voters.

Yousaf's dwindling band of clapping seals can continue to pay lip service to the independence cause but the truth is the SNP are a mess right now and he knows there's no chance of another referendum any day soon. Simply holding on to power in Scotland is his biggest concern.

That’s a long winded way of saying there is no democratic process available for independence. Hope you didn’t spend a lot of time on it.


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The permission was granted after a Salmond-led SNP won their first and so far only majority at Holyrood. Since then the dial hasn't moved when it comes to support for independence. As Mibbes Aye points out, nine years of being bad losers and whinging about the need for another referendum doesn't equate to democracy bring denied. If the SNP haven't been able to make any headway against a backdrop of Brexit and one of the most calamity-ridden UK governments of all time it's pretty clear they never will. At least part of the reason Salmond oversaw such a spectacular surge in support for the SNP was because he commanded respect as a First Minister who would govern better than a stale, lacklustre and complacent Scottish Labour party. As the subsequent referendum showed, a significant number of voters were content to vote SNP when it came to forming a devolved government but not to extend that faith in them to governing an independent Scotland.

Salmond may not command that respect any more but he was correct to point out that Sturgeon's legacy consists of a handful of 'silly little policies' that do nothing for voters.

Yousaf's dwindling band of clapping seals can continue to pay lip service to the independence cause but the truth is the SNP are a mess right now and he knows there's no chance of another referendum any day soon. Simply holding on to power in Scotland is his biggest concern.

How do we know any of that if we don't have a vote?

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Are you really so blinkered to see the UK government refusal to allow a referendum isn't denying democracy??

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That’s a long winded way of saying there is no democratic process available for independence. Hope you didn’t spend a lot of time on it.

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How do we know any of that if we don't have a vote?

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These stone age auditors need to wake up and realise they're in the 21st century. Complete rubbish, if true.

Always good to have back ups. Hard copy doesn't have to be a paper copy. In this day and age especially when it comes political parties their accounts should be fully transparent
and open to scrutiny by members. The treasurer was a banker so he should know what is involved with record keeping.

[greenginger]

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These stone age auditors need to wake up and realise they're in the 21st century. Complete rubbish, if true.

I think these “ Stone Age “ auditors are the only ones who were willing to pick up the poison chalice of SNP accounts

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Are you really so blinkered to see the UK government refusal to allow a referendum isn't denying democracy??

I'm saying nothing's changed regarding the democratic process since the last referendum except for the fact it's clear there's not the appetite among voters to have another one no matter how many ways the SNP try to dress it up.

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Yep, that doesn't look like nearly enough to justify any sort of qualification. It also doesn't cover the prior year point in the audit report (per the BBC article) or the membership and raffle points.

Agreed on the first point, although perhaps it has been provoked by the number of donations below £250.

A couple of thoughts on the previous year issue:-

1. if they're not sure about the cash income this year, then presumably they can't be about the py income,... as the party had the same system that year.... hence the comment about this year's opening reserves.

2. a guess is that, given the public interest in the accounts, particularly in donations, they decided to set their materiality levels differently to their predecessors (lower? higher? It's too early for me ). There may also be an implied pop at their predecessors in that.

Given the context, there may be a lot of arse-covering going on here.

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1. if they're not sure about the cash income this year, then presumably they can't be about the py income,... as the party had the same system that year.... hence the comment about this year's opening reserves.

They weren't the auditors last year, and last year had a clean audit report (?). How do they know the party had the same system last year if they weren't the auditors then? So on what basis could they have a concern about py income? As you say, it seems that perhaps they are criticising the work of a fellow professional. Is this what they call a pinstripe on pinstripe attack?

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They weren't the auditors last year, and last year had a clean audit report (?). How do they know the party had the same system last year if they weren't the auditors then? So on what basis could they have a concern about py income? As you say, it seems that perhaps they are criticising the work of a fellow professional. Is this what they call a pinstripe on pinstripe attack?

They would ask.

eg "what's your system? How long have you had that?"

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I'm saying nothing's changed regarding the democratic process since the last referendum except for the fact it's clear there's not the appetite among voters to have another one no matter how many ways the SNP try to dress it up.

So the democratic process has always been driven by voters appetite?

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So the democratic process has always been driven by voters appetite?

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It’s not something that can be expressed at a box, that’s for sure.


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They would ask.

eg "what's your system? How long have you had that?"

Sneaky.

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Exactly this. You won't get a coherent response because unionists know it's where their whole argument falls to pieces.

Hence why they respond about watching cricket instead.

That was me and I’m not a unionist. I tend to really dislike nationalism though. Brings out the worst in people far too often.

So you maybe want to rethink your post, if you are able to accept the world isn’t ‘us’ and ‘them’, that is.

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Aye, but what about the Ferries eh.

They are pushing on for half a billion pounds and about twenty years over. It literally would have neen cheaper to build hovercrafts inflated by the hot air that Lorna Slater produces. Pay attention

[Berwickhibby]

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They are pushing on for half a billion pounds and about twenty years over. It literally would have neen cheaper to build hovercrafts inflated by the hot air that Lorna Slater produces. Pay attention

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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... I’m not a unionist. I tend to really dislike nationalism though.

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They are pushing on for half a billion pounds and about twenty years over. It literally would have neen cheaper to build hovercrafts inflated by the hot air that Lorna Slater produces. Pay attention

I’m old enough to remember when Labour spent half a billion pound on the parliament building after saying they could do it for £45m.


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Agreed on the first point, although perhaps it has been provoked by the number of donations below £250.

A couple of thoughts on the previous year issue:-

1. if they're not sure about the cash income this year, then presumably they can't be about the py income,... as the party had the same system that year.... hence the comment about this year's opening reserves.

2. a guess is that, given the public interest in the accounts, particularly in donations, they decided to set their materiality levels differently to their predecessors (lower? higher? It's too early for me ). There may also be an implied pop at their predecessors in that.

Given the context, there may be a lot of arse-covering going on here.

Would have loved to be the forensic accountant looking at this case.

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I’m old enough to remember when Labour spent half a billion pound on the parliament building after saying they could do it for £45m.


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I reckon because Labour thinks Scotland was worth it. None of this “we are second-class citizens” nonsense the SNP spout to try and foment grievance and anger

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That was me and I’m not a unionist. I tend to really dislike nationalism though. Brings out the worst in people far too often.

So you maybe want to rethink your post, if you are able to accept the world isn’t ‘us’ and ‘them’, that is.

It would be easier to just say there isn't a democratic path rather than the constant deflection.

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It would be easier to just say there isn't a democratic path rather than the constant deflection.

You’d think.


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I'm saying nothing's changed regarding the democratic process since the last referendum except for the fact it's clear there's not the appetite among voters to have another one no matter how many ways the SNP try to dress it up.

Something has fundamentally changed, the UK governments stance on allowing a referendum.

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I’m old enough to remember when Labour spent half a billion pound on the parliament building after saying they could do it for £45m.


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And a Labour controlled Edinburgh Council/government who went for a tram system with a company and contract with so many holes in it to make it a laughing stock, original price around £350m end cost not even the full way nigh on £780m. One of those responsible then became a Lord ffs, yes our very own Baron Jack McConnell of Glenscorrodale.

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It would be easier to just say there isn't a democratic path rather than the constant deflection.

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I’m old enough to remember when Labour spent half a billion pound on the parliament building after saying they could do it for £45m.


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And a Labour controlled Edinburgh Council/government who went for a tram system with a company and contract with so many holes in it to make it a laughing stock, original price around £350m end cost not even the full way nigh on £780m. One of those responsible then became a Lord ffs, yes our very own Baron Jack McConnell of Glenscorrodale.

Looks like we all love a wee bit of deflection.