SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Skol]

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It's the same 3-4 anti SNP posters over every post.

Have you noticed the title of the thread;-)

FWIW I would prefer some good discussion on here as well but it feels like anyone who questions anything on the independence side is immediately challenged and put down with little willingness to debate. Granted some on the other side as well do likewise. If you want the thread closed down so only people who share your view contribute then that’s fine but it doesn’t feel the right thing to me.

It would be great if we can move away from that and maybe even listen to and consider orders views and why we hold them. Some of us may even change our thinking.

[WhileTheChief..]

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It's the same 3-4 anti SNP posters over every post.

Quite the opposite.

Any posts that are even slightly critical of the SNP or Scots Gov is pounced on almost immediately. A lot of the time with a bit of a dig or needle directed at the poster.

Those against Indy rarely have digs at others.

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She could easily have said “I’ve done nothing wrong”.

This was a clever choice of words that left just enough wiggle room!

That's nonsense. Wiggle room for what?

If she's done something wrong, her choice of words denying it will be irrelevant.

She's certain. i.e. absolutely sure.

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I would support that.

Me too.

[Stairway 2 7]

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It's the same 3-4 anti SNP posters over every post.

It's both sides, I wouldn't read an echo chamber.

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It's both sides, I wouldn't read an echo chamber.

I agree. I don't think people should be rude and I think arguments should be well sourced and constructed. But surely having views challenged and debating the issues is the point?

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But surely having views challenged and debating the issues is the point?

I agree. But I have given reason to my stance on issues while being expected to accept alternative arguments that are not backed up with any reason. I don't want this sub forum to be shut down for what I believe to be completely nonsensical reasons. So I'm just going to quit posting on it.

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I agree. But I have given reason to my stance on issues while being expected to accept alternative arguments that are not backed up with any reason. I don't want this sub forum to be shut down for what I believe to be completely nonsensical reasons. So I'm just going to quit posting on it.

Stay on enjoy it and chill, we all need to. There's loads of opinions here, some completely different from my own, I wouldn't arrogantly say one is right or wrong. I've been proven wrong an incredible number of times on here ha, I actually enjoy it. There's no point pushing our views down others throats saying this is right, you are wrong

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Some good news. Nowhere near enough but better.


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That's nonsense. Wiggle room for what?

If she's done something wrong, her choice of words denying it will be irrelevant.

She's certain. i.e. absolutely sure.

Nah.

Saying "I did not do that", is different to saying, "I'm certain I did not do that".

Wiggle room!!

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Nah.

Saying "I did not do that", is different to saying, "I'm certain I did not do that".

Wiggle room!!

Certain didn’t used to mean doubt? This must be a new thing?


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Nah.

Saying "I did not do that", is different to saying, "I'm certain I did not do that".

Wiggle room!!

I must have had the definition of “certain” wrong all my life in that case.

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Have you noticed the title of the thread;-)

FWIW I would prefer some good discussion on here as well but it feels like anyone who questions anything on the independence side is immediately challenged and put down with little willingness to debate. Granted some on the other side as well do likewise. If you want the thread closed down so only people who share your view contribute then that’s fine but it doesn’t feel the right thing to me.

It would be great if we can move away from that and maybe even listen to and consider orders views and why we hold them. Some of us may even change our thinking.

I mean no offence when I say this, but you often hint that you’d be very open to changing your mind on independence and I struggle to believe you.

What sort of good discussion and willingness to debate do you expect in return from random one line posts of “oh what an oppressed nation we are” and telling people they’re blinkered in their views, and their posts are just standard SNP rubbish?

[Mibbes Aye]

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Certain didn’t used to mean doubt? This must be a new thing?


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“I’m certain that was a penalty ”

“I’m certain I unplugged my straighteners”

“I’m certain he was in that film with whatshername”

“I’m certain the money was just resting in his account”.

Sturgeon was a lawyer. If she wanted to categorically say she has done nothing wrong she could have said so. Using the phrase “I’m certain’ qualifies her statement. She would know that, I’m certain…….

Of course she could just be saying it for the banter, stir the pot a little bit 😀

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“I’m certain that was a penalty ”

“I’m certain I unplugged my straighteners”

“I’m certain he was in that film with whatshername”

“I’m certain the money was just resting in his account”.

Sturgeon was a lawyer. If she wanted to categorically say she has done nothing wrong she could have said so. Using the phrase “I’m certain’ qualifies her statement. She would know that, I’m certain…….

Of course she could just be saying it for the banter, stir the pot a little bit 😀

😂.

Think you are seeing what you want to see with this one.

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“I’m certain that was a penalty ”

“I’m certain I unplugged my straighteners”

“I’m certain he was in that film with whatshername”

“I’m certain the money was just resting in his account”.

Sturgeon was a lawyer. If she wanted to categorically say she has done nothing wrong she could have said so. Using the phrase “I’m certain’ qualifies her statement. She would know that, I’m certain…….

Of course she could just be saying it for the banter, stir the pot a little bit 😀

Or she could be.. emm.. certain.

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😂.

Think you are seeing what you want to see with this one.

I’m seeing what she said and just wondering why she needed to preface it with “I’m certain...”

If she did nothing wrong, say “I did nothing wrong” and make it unambiguous. As we know, she is a lawyer and a former party leader - she knows the importance of how she words her utterances.

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Or she could be.. emm.. certain.

Which allows her to claim that if there was any wrongdoing, she didn’t know it was wrongdoing.

[J-C]

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“I’m certain that was a penalty ”

“I’m certain I unplugged my straighteners”

“I’m certain he was in that film with whatshername”

“I’m certain the money was just resting in his account”.

Sturgeon was a lawyer. If she wanted to categorically say she has done nothing wrong she could have said so. Using the phrase “I’m certain’ qualifies her statement. She would know that, I’m certain…….

Of course she could just be saying it for the banter, stir the pot a little bit 😀

certain
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certain adjective (WITHOUT DOUBT)

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having no doubt or knowing exactly that something is true, or known to be true, correct, exact, or effective:

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certain
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certain adjective (WITHOUT DOUBT)

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having no doubt or knowing exactly that something is true, or known to be true, correct, exact, or effective:

Sounds like a maybe to me.


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certain
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certain adjective (WITHOUT DOUBT)

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having no doubt or knowing exactly that something is true, or known to be true, correct, exact, or effective:

If you are going to copy and paste Google searches, then have a look at gradable and ungradable adjectives and come back with some definitions for everyone else. It feels like she is using 'certain' as a gradable adjective.

Given she has chosen, as a lawyer and politician, to say "I am certain I did nothing wrong" rather than "I did nothing wrong" is peculiar. If you are asked if you did something wrong you say "No", or "I did nothing wrong", you rarely start with "I am certain", it is clumsy.

For what its worth, my humble speculation at this stage would be that she knows something wrong was done and she feels she is not culpable but can't be certain that it would be interpreted by others that way.

Of course, my suspicions may be unfounded. But for someone whose day job their entire life has been driven by the use of language, it seems a funny one.

And as I say, maybe she' just said it for laughs. Get tongues wagging, set hares running etc

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Let's just see if she's charged, eh?

[Ozyhibby]

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Let's just see if she's charged, eh?

I think they have to be now or the Police Scotland are going to look like they mounted a political operation.


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I think they have to be now or the Police Scotland are going to look like they mounted a political operation.

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I must have had the definition of “certain” wrong all my life in that case.

On a positive note, you can now use it in different ways

I reckon most people have used it, or heard it used, in different ways. Same with a lot of words really.

Not many of us go strictly by dictionary definitions all the time.

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I mean no offence when I say this, but you often hint that you’d be very open to changing your mind on independence and I struggle to believe you.

What sort of good discussion and willingness to debate do you expect in return from random one line posts of “oh what an oppressed nation we are” and telling people they’re blinkered in their views, and their posts are just standard SNP rubbish?

That’s a fair challenge.

My current position is that I don’t believe independence is the best for us going forward. However, my view is much less strong than it used to be. This is particularly so given the shambles the uk have become since the brexit vote.

I don’t like the approach of the snp and their many supporters who just do not accept any criticism. But who then a.so say they only vote to get independence and might not even support the snp now. There is much to be critical of.

There are a number of large and unanswered question to which the response is generally something about Westminster.
The one thing brexit old me is that breaking up a political union is not easy, despite what people say.

I have said a few times recently I have enjoyed reading a number of articles from robin mcalpine. He appears to me to share a very similar view of the snp to me and isn’t afraid to call it out. He does however still favour independence and if someone with his approach was in charge, and put some meat on the bones of independence I would listen. Would I change my mind. Who knows.

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That’s a fair challenge.

My current position is that I don’t believe independence is the best for us going forward. However, my view is much less strong than it used to be. This is particularly so given the shambles the uk have become since the brexit vote.

I don’t like the approach of the snp and their many supporters who just do not accept any criticism. But who then a.so say they only vote to get independence and might not even support the snp now. There is much to be critical of.

There are a number of large and unanswered question to which the response is generally something about Westminster.
The one thing brexit old me is that breaking up a political union is not easy, despite what people say.

I have said a few times recently I have enjoyed reading a number of articles from robin mcalpine. He appears to me to share a very similar view of the snp to me and isn’t afraid to call it out. He does however still favour independence and if someone with his approach was in charge, and put some meat on the bones of independence I would listen. Would I change my mind. Who knows.

I’m happy to criticise the SNP thank you very much.


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That’s a fair challenge.

My current position is that I don’t believe independence is the best for us going forward. However, my view is much less strong than it used to be. This is particularly so given the shambles the uk have become since the brexit vote.

I don’t like the approach of the snp and their many supporters who just do not accept any criticism. But who then a.so say they only vote to get independence and might not even support the snp now. There is much to be critical of.

There are a number of large and unanswered question to which the response is generally something about Westminster.
The one thing brexit old me is that breaking up a political union is not easy, despite what people say.

I have said a few times recently I have enjoyed reading a number of articles from robin mcalpine. He appears to me to share a very similar view of the snp to me and isn’t afraid to call it out. He does however still favour independence and if someone with his approach was in charge, and put some meat on the bones of independence I would listen. Would I change my mind. Who knows.

The political union probably easy enough to break up. It’s the trading arrangements that’s the hard part.


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I’m happy to criticise the SNP thank you very much.


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