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    Quote Originally Posted by greenginger View Post
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    Budgets ! When the hell did the SNP keep to budgets ?

    I’ll just say one word - Ferries.
    When does any elected government stick to budgets.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee View Post
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    And their excuse for not giving equal coverage over these Westminster scandals is what exactly? It effects us all the same.
    You hold a very blinkered view of yhings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    You hold a very blinkered view of yhings
    In what way are my views "blinkered"? Surely "blinkered" views would be views people echo from over 90%+ of the media who all push the same tired narrative and agenda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since90+2 View Post
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    When does any elected government stick to budgets.
    Or even bother to have one?

    100 days since gov't introduced the Illegal Migration Bill, it has submitted no economic impact assessment. Home Secretary admits ***she doesn't even have an estimate*** of what it might cost. And this is ok, apparently, because it's one of Sunak and Braverman's priorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee View Post
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    In what way are my views "blinkered"? Surely "blinkered" views would be views people echo from over 90%+ of the media who all push the same tired narrative and agenda?
    You appear to me to be claiming over reporting of the ferries and under reporting of all of the Westminster mess. That’s just not a true representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    You appear to me to be claiming over reporting of the ferries and under reporting of all of the Westminster mess. That’s just not a true representation.
    It is. The media in Scotland have been on the topic of "ferries" for years now. While we're being robbed blind by far greater scandals that we almost never hear anything about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee View Post
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    It is. The media in Scotland have been on the topic of "ferries" for years now. While we're being robbed blind by far greater scandals that we almost never hear anything about.
    Oh so not the British media as you said earlier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    Oh so not the British media as you said earlier?
    That's not what I said. I said "media in Scotland". You're surely not suggesting that there is no British Media in Scotland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee View Post
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    What deflected criticism? All of the British media criticism is on the Scottish Government and ferries. It's all very quiet on the Ajax, HS2 and dodgy/unusable PPE front. Perhaps you mean deflected criticism towards the Scottish Government?
    Says British here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    Says British here
    Ok. So I suppose you think that the likes of the Daily Mail or the Daily Express aren't British, as long as they put "Scottish" in front of the name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee View Post
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    Ok. So I suppose you think that the likes of the Daily Mail or the Daily Express aren't British, as long as they put "Scottish" in front of the name?
    "North British"

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee View Post
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    Ok. So I suppose you think that the likes of the Daily Mail or the Daily Express aren't British, as long as they put "Scottish" in front of the name?
    I think you have got in a bit of a mess here. You clearly said British media. You may have meant British media in Scotland but that’s not what you said. In saying what you did in my view gives a false impression.

    Although the publications you mention are British it is rare for scottush stories to feature in their British editions. They focus on the uk. Sometimes Scottish stuff gets more prominent but mostly it’s not front and centre unless it’s their Scottish version

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    The depressing thing thing here is that like the ferries the discussion about the failure to upgrade the A9 has no mention of the people affected whether by substandard road connections or seeing their loved ones lose their lives on what is a notoriously dangerous trunk road. And that’s a real shame. Politics should be about people, not protecting the politicians of all parties who constantly let us down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    The depressing thing thing here is that like the ferries the discussion about the failure to upgrade the A9 has no mention of the people affected whether by substandard road connections or seeing their loved ones lose their lives on what is a notoriously dangerous trunk road. And that’s a real shame. Politics should be about people, not protecting the politicians of all parties who constantly let us down.
    I understand what you say and agree. But I do wonder how many of the A9 deaths are down to not driving to the road conditions. Every time I use that road I see a lot of stupid overtaking and risk taking. And I don't mean me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    I think you have got in a bit of a mess here. You clearly said British media. You may have meant British media in Scotland but that’s not what you said. In saying what you did in my view gives a false impression.

    Although the publications you mention are British it is rare for scottush stories to feature in their British editions. They focus on the uk. Sometimes Scottish stuff gets more prominent but mostly it’s not front and centre unless it’s their Scottish version
    I was referring to a political party in Scotland, over a situation in Scotland. So I would have thought that it would have been very clear that I was referring to the British Media in Scotland and not across the UK as a whole. It wouldn't make sense for them to obsess over these issues in other parts of the UK, as it would have next to no impact on the electoral outcomes in Scotland. In saying that, the media in England are not nearly anywhere near as obsessive over the likes of HS2 or the Ajax debacle as their printed media in Scotland are over the ferries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee View Post
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    I was referring to a political party in Scotland, over a situation in Scotland. So I would have thought that it would have been very clear that I was referring to the British Media in Scotland and not across the UK as a whole. It wouldn't make sense for them to obsess over these issues in other parts of the UK, as it would have next to no impact on the electoral outcomes in Scotland. In saying that, the media in England are not nearly anywhere near as obsessive over the likes of HS2 or the Ajax debacle as their printed media in Scotland are over the ferries.
    A late over budget infrastructure contract is all they have to fill their schedule in Scotland. I suppose it’s a compliment to the SG.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    Says British here
    British media in Scotland

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    I understand what you say and agree. But I do wonder how many of the A9 deaths are down to not driving to the road conditions. Every time I use that road I see a lot of stupid overtaking and risk taking. And I don't mean me.
    That’s a separate discussion but having several short stretches of dual carriageway before merging back in to single lanes leads to frustration building up slowly but surely as drivers can’t get past slow moving vehicles. We could blame the drivers but we are all flawed human beings and sometimes we let logic go out of the window when reacting to situations. Dual the whole road and the risk taking is no longer an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    A late over budget infrastructure contract is all they have to fill their schedule in Scotland. I suppose it’s a compliment to the SG.


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    To be fair I think the events of the past few months suggests you are wrong here. They have had plenty to fill their schedules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    That’s a separate discussion but having several short stretches of dual carriageway before merging back in to single lanes leads to frustration building up slowly but surely as drivers can’t get past slow moving vehicles. We could blame the drivers but we are all flawed human beings and sometimes we let logic go out of the window when reacting to situations. Dual the whole road and the risk taking is no longer an issue.
    I do blame the drivers. If you "let logic go out of the window" you shouldn't be driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    To be fair I think the events of the past few months suggests you are wrong here. They have had plenty to fill their schedules.
    Yep. Demands that Nicola Sturgeon resigns from politics forever before an investigation has even been concluded. They truly are terrified of her, even as a mere MSP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt View Post
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    I do blame the drivers. If you "let logic go out of the window" you shouldn't be driving.
    Oh I agree, the drivers taking risks are to blame. I don’t think that’s of much comfort to the innocent victims who get wiped out by drivers coming straight towards them after a dodgy over taking manoeuvre though. Dual the road and that can’t happen.
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    Just another example of two tired and failing governments, too busy obsessing with identity politics and culture wars, to actually focus on ensuring taxpayers’ money is being spent properly.
    To be fair to the SNP, they've always been more of a campaign organisation than a party of government, so as long as the carrot of independence continues to be dangled in front of their more devout adherents their underwhelming record in office is of secondary importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    To be fair to the SNP, they've always been more of a campaign organisation than a party of government, so as long as the carrot of independence continues to be dangled in front of their more devout adherents their underwhelming record in office is of secondary importance.
    An "underwhelming record" in office that has still overseen the best performing public services across the whole of the UK over the past 16 years. But hey ho, they're doing it on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    Oh I agree, the drivers taking risks are to blame. I don’t think that’s of much comfort to the innocent victims who get wiped out by drivers coming straight towards them after a dodgy over taking manoeuvre though. Dual the road and that can’t happen.
    Finding someone to do it appears to be the challenge. The SG contracts on large scale civils and infrastructure works tend to try and mitigate risk to public purse by trying to pass any risk on to main contractor. Obviously from the point of view of the tax payer this is good but after projects like AWPR and Queensferry Crossing it has clearly had a negative impact on interest in tendering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by degenerated View Post
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    Finding someone to do it appears to be the challenge. The SG contracts on large scale civils and infrastructure works tend to try and mitigate risk to public purse by trying to pass any risk on to main contractor. Obviously from the point of view of the tax payer this is good but after projects like AWPR and Queensferry Crossing it has clearly had a negative impact on interest in tendering.
    Learnt from the ferries mistake ;-)

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    Actually, from the mess of the Edinburgh trams project
    Last edited by degenerated; 17-06-2023 at 03:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He's here! View Post
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    To be fair to the SNP, they've always been more of a campaign organisation than a party of government, so as long as the carrot of independence continues to be dangled in front of their more devout adherents their underwhelming record in office is of secondary importance.
    Are you for real? Or are you just posting stuff to annoy people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee View Post
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    An "underwhelming record" in office that has still overseen the best performing public services across the whole of the UK over the past 16 years. But hey ho, they're doing it on purpose.

    wasting yer time there

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    Are you for real? Or are you just posting stuff to annoy people?

    it's bizarre

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