SNP are lying b******s as well !

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The use to which the money was put was clearly explained in the SNP accounts. I know it sometimes seems that I bang on about accounts too much, but they are the official record of what the SNP has spent it's money on, and there is a very clear note in the 2021 accounts about this money. You may not agree with what the SNP did, but let's not talk about honesty and transparency - it's there for all to see.

If that is the case why don’t they just say the money wasn’t ringfenced and was spent on general snp expenditure. That’s clearly what has happened.

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They will ever do any more than this. They need to be able to say "we need Indy for xxx to be better".

If our economy, NHS, education system etc were running above par under the SNP, the public would then rightly ask why do we need Indy.

It's why they are so dangerous in government. The better they do at governing, the less likely the country will vote for Indy.

Yip, so dangerous in government that our public services perform better than the rest of the UK. Could they be better? Of course they could. But remember that almost 700m per year is spent counteracting Tory austerity policies.

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Sturgeon's legacy is, in truth, exceedingly thin.

I guess maintaining the 100% record of former SNP First Ministers to be arrested is at least something to remember her by

Not so sure. I think in the main they have governed well over her time. Sure they could have done better however you need to take into account Austerity policies from down south, covid pandemic putting an enormous burden on an already over stretched NHS likely in some part down to losing foreign staff due to Brexit plus a government down south supported by media allies hellbent on undermining them. Her election record is an excellent one also.

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Not so sure. I think in the main they have governed well over her time. Sure they could have done better however you need to take into account Austerity policies from down south, covid pandemic putting an enormous burden on an already over stretched NHS likely in some part down to losing foreign staff due to Brexit plus a government down south supported by media allies hellbent on undermining them. Her election record is an excellent one also.

I think most reasonable people can see that which is why she is still popular.


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And it will be 100% not guilty as well. I’m sure Yousaf will be next.


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Did Salmond not have one charge Not Proven ?

Remember too that it was not the British State that put Salmond in the dock but his own SNP party.

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https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scotlan...-records-began

Well done the SG.


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Did Salmond not have one charge Not Proven ?

Remember too that it was not the British State that put Salmond in the dock but his own SNP party.

Wasn't it the police?

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Did Salmond not have one charge Not Proven ?

Remember too that it was not the British State that put Salmond in the dock but his own SNP party.

Absolute nonsense.


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Absolute nonsense.


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_A...%20the%20case.


Not guilty on 12 charges , not proven on one charge .

Not 100% not guilty and not absolute nonsense.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_A...%20the%20case.


Not guilty on 12 charges , not proven on one charge .

Not 100% not guilty and not absolute nonsense.

I was talking about your claim the SNP put him in the dock. That was a matter for Police Scotland and the PF which was a ridiculously bad decision. Like the mess with Rangers administrators. And like the current ness they are getting themselves in with the help of the NCA. Overdue some reform I think.


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Remember too that it was not the British State that put Salmond in the dock but his own SNP party.

If by the SNP you actually mean Leslie Evans, the adviser to Nicola Sturgeon which is a UK (not Scottish) Civil Servant appointed role.

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Salmond must be quietly regarding all this as a bit of karma.

His fingerprints are all over this, imo.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

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I was talking about your claim the SNP put him in the dock. That was a matter for Police Scotland and the PF which was a ridiculously bad decision. Like the mess with Rangers administrators. And like the current ness they are getting themselves in with the help of the NCA. Overdue some reform I think.


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The SNP did put Alex Salmond in the dock and how spineless was it of Nicola Sturgeon to use a Covid press conference to question the jury when Alex Salmond got the Not Guilty verdict.

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The SNP did put Alex Salmond in the dock and how spineless was it of Nicola Sturgeon to use a Covid press conference to question the jury when Alex Salmond got the Not Guilty verdict.

She certainly sailed close to the wind by questioning the integrity of the verdict.

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I was talking about your claim the SNP put him in the dock. That was a matter for Police Scotland and the PF which was a ridiculously bad decision. Like the mess with Rangers administrators. And like the current ness they are getting themselves in with the help of the NCA. Overdue some reform I think.


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In the Rangers case, that line would work as a deflection for those (many) who remain unclear about the role of the Lord Advocate. As well as being head of the prosecution service (the Crown Office) the LA is a political appointee, a minister in the Scottish Government and essentially their own lawyer. Hence James Wolffe's grovelling admission and apology over that 'illegal and malicious' prosecution which has cost Scottish taxpayers around £40 million IIRC.

Echoes of the 'tainted' and 'unawful' findings of the botched civil service inquiry into the Salmond allegations conducted by Leslie Evans who (on behalf of the SG) pursued the hopeless case against him in the Court of Session, which cost the taxpayer half a million pounds. That may not have been directly related to the decision to prosecute Salmond but the Police Scotland investigation was triggered by Evans' decision to send the results of the SG's internal inquiry to the police.

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I was talking about your claim the SNP put him in the dock. That was a matter for Police Scotland and the PF which was a ridiculously bad decision. Like the mess with Rangers administrators. And like the current ness they are getting themselves in with the help of the NCA. Overdue some reform I think.


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I'd advise posters not to dive into this too much. A blogger went to jail for contempt of court on the basis he revealed aspects of the case.

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I was talking about your claim the SNP put him in the dock. That was a matter for Police Scotland and the PF which was a ridiculously bad decision. Like the mess with Rangers administrators. And like the current ness they are getting themselves in with the help of the NCA. Overdue some reform I think.


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If the police and the PF are overdue some reform what have the Scottish Government been doing about it for the last 16 years?

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I'd advise posters not to dive into this too much. A blogger went to jail for contempt of court on the basis he revealed aspects of the case.

That was during the case while it was on going. There is no "contempt of court" law that applies to talking about cases that have already been concluded.

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I'd advise posters not to dive into this too much. A blogger went to jail for contempt of court on the basis he revealed aspects of the case.

https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP/stat...C9yaqjy6UuAAAA

Is it entirely responsible for Ian Murray to be demanding that Humza Yousaf "tells Scotland what he knows" about a matter that is subject to an ongoing police investigation then?

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https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP/stat...C9yaqjy6UuAAAA

Is it entirely responsible for Ian Murray to be demanding that Humza Yousaf "tells Scotland what he knows" about a matter that is subject to an ongoing police investigation then?

To be fair if you are demanding that Humza tells you what he knows, then you don’t need to clear your diary for the next ten minutes, let alone the day

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To be fair if you are demanding that Humza tells you what he knows, then you don’t need to clear your diary for the next ten minutes, let alone the day

Doesn’t say much for Sarwar then that he can’t lay a glove on him every week at FMQ’s.


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That was during the case while it was on going. There is no "contempt of court" law that applies to talking about cases that have already been concluded.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-fife-56170459

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Doesn’t say much for Sarwar then that he can’t lay a glove on him every week at FMQ’s.


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I cant comment. I gave FMQs a shot a couple of years back and it went something like

Other party leader: “Would the First Minister agree she is a numpty?”
First Minister: “I will accept no accusations of numptiness from (insert name). He is the real numpty”
etc etc

That was enough for me. PMQs can be lame at times but at least occasionally you get the chance of a BoJo sowing the seeds of his own downfall by lying to the House.

Donald Dewar must be looking down with a weary sigh......

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I cant comment. I gave FMQs a shot a couple of years back and it went something like

Other party leader: “Would the First Minister agree she is a numpty?”
First Minister: “I will accept no accusations of numptiness from (insert name). He is the real numpty”
etc etc

That was enough for me. PMQs can be lame at times but at least occasionally you get the chance of a BoJo sowing the seeds of his own downfall by lying to the House.

Donald Dewar must be looking down with a weary sigh......

Both are awful. PMQs is pantomime point scoring and FMQs soporific. Required viewing for political nerds only.

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To be fair if you are demanding that Humza tells you what he knows, then you don’t need to clear your diary for the next ten minutes, let alone the day

Bit like Murray himself unless he wants to discuss his latest union Jack clothing choice

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I cant comment. I gave FMQs a shot a couple of years back and it went something like

Other party leader: “Would the First Minister agree she is a numpty?”
First Minister: “I will accept no accusations of numptiness from (insert name). He is the real numpty”
etc etc

That was enough for me. PMQs can be lame at times but at least occasionally you get the chance of a BoJo sowing the seeds of his own downfall by lying to the House.

Donald Dewar must be looking down with a weary sigh......

Is it even broadcast?

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I cant comment. I gave FMQs a shot a couple of years back and it went something like

Other party leader: “Would the First Minister agree she is a numpty?”
First Minister: “I will accept no accusations of numptiness from (insert name). He is the real numpty”
etc etc

That was enough for me. PMQs can be lame at times but at least occasionally you get the chance of a BoJo sowing the seeds of his own downfall by lying to the House.

Donald Dewar must be looking down with a weary sigh......

Obviously it will have it’s highs and lows but I remembering watching it one time in particular a few years ago and the debate in particular between Sturgeon, Davidson and Dugdale being respectful, honest and light years ahead of Westminster debate. It’s probably not a surprise that it’s inferior now, given the relative inferiority of all the current incumbents.

I don’t really care if it isn’t entertaining.

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Hard to fathom why this isn't already a senior role.

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Obviously it will have it’s highs and lows but I remembering watching it one time in particular a few years ago and the debate in particular between Sturgeon, Davidson and Dugdale being respectful, honest and light years ahead of Westminster debate. It’s probably not a surprise that it’s inferior now, given the relative inferiority of all the current incumbents.

I don’t really care if it isn’t entertaining.

Davidson was the only one who could rile Sturgeon and spark something approaching a debate. From what I remember Goldie could go toe to toe with Salmond as well but I didn't watch it much.

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Obviously it will have it’s highs and lows but I remembering watching it one time in particular a few years ago and the debate in particular between Sturgeon, Davidson and Dugdale being respectful, honest and light years ahead of Westminster debate. It’s probably not a surprise that it’s inferior now, given the relative inferiority of all the current incumbents.

I don’t really care if it isn’t entertaining.

Tend to agree watched it a few times admittedly a few years back and thought it was night and day from the bearpit of Westminster heckling