SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Ozyhibby]

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She's meant to have chored 600k and blown it on pens, razors, teabags and driving lessons.

Don’t forget the campervan.


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[Ozyhibby]

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I genuinely have no idea what she's supposed to have done

Kept winning elections handsomely.


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Don’t forget the campervan.


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Don't forget the garden tools!! Who can forget the trowel and secateurs!!!

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She's meant to have chored 600k and blown it on pens, razors, teabags and driving lessons.

She must learn to drive the battle campervan, after all she won't be an MSP for long. 😉

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Don’t forget the campervan.


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How could I forget

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I genuinely have no idea what she's supposed to have done

Tried to split up the UK? Surely that would make her an enemy of the state.

I expect some future song writer will create a lyrical song about her escaping 'over the sea to Skye'...

...or at least they would if the Ferries aren't cancelled.

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If it’s to do with the accuracy of the accounts, the funds raised for the Indy ref getting muddled in with other SNP spending, it might be serious enough to be considered false accounting as she was a signatory of the accounts,

Worst likely to happen is a fine and directorship
ban for a few years.

If that is all that we are dealing with then it’s a nonsense.

Giving money to the SNP to fight a new Independence campaign is just like giving money to the SNP.

Their whole Raison d'être is to achieve Independence for Scotland.

J

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Is that against the law? Which law would that be?

I thought the accounts had been audited and given a clean audit report?

Raising money to campaign for an Indy ref and spending it on other things could be considered fraud which is against the law.

As for the accounts , I think it’s this years that have recently been signed off, any dodgy bookkeeping would be in previous years.

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Tried to split up the UK? Surely that would make her an enemy of the state.

I expect some future song writer will create a lyrical song about her escaping 'over the sea to Skye'...

...or at least they would if the Ferries aren't cancelled.

That's a bridge too far. 😉

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Raising money to campaign for an Indy ref and spending it on other things could be considered fraud which is against the law.

As for the accounts , I think it’s this years that have recently been signed off, any dodgy bookkeeping would be in previous years.

But also signed off?


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Is that against the law? Which law would that be?

I thought the accounts had been audited and given a clean audit report?

An unqualified audit report is no guarantee of accounts being 100% accurate.

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But also signed off?

Mere detail.

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Raising money to campaign for an Indy ref and spending it on other things could be considered fraud which is against the law.

Raising money to fight for independence and spending it on fighting for independence is against the law?

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An unqualified audit report is no guarantee of accounts being 100% accurate.

What are auditors for then? What good are they?

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What are auditors for then? What good are they?

To be fair, I think even auditors ask this question.


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Raising money to fight for independence and spending it on fighting for independence is against the law?

If I remember correctly, the person who first raised the suggestion that money raised by the SNP for independence campaign was neither a member of the SNP or had donated to the fund. It's like he had an agenda against the SNP. He probably posts on here. 😉

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What are auditors for then? What good are they?

"Watchdogs, not bloodhounds" (c. Auditing 1.01)

If an auditor were to check every single transaction, no company would be able to afford them

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That's a bridge too far. 😉

At least it's not an Irish Sea tunnel...

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Is it really that out there to question whether NS should be suspended? It's not that uncommon for people involved in an ongoing police enquiry to be suspended (on full pay) pending the conclusion of said enquiries. Someone like Mason Greenwood would be an example in football but it happens in loads of workplaces. The innocent until proven guilty mantra still applies hence it's suspension rather than dismissal.

For all the nature of the alleged offence remains out of the public eye the fact she has been placed under arrest and interviewed under caution means she isn't merely a witness assisting Police Scotland with their enquiries.

She will now be aware of any potential charges or at least have knowledge of the specifics of what is being investigated. In many employment contracts there is a clause stating you should make an employer aware if you are accused of a criminal offence, particularly one of dishonesty.

Ultimately it's up to the SNP to decide how to deal with it and they will live or die by the decision electorally.

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If an auditor were to check every single transaction, no company would be able to afford them

So if any fraud had taken place within the period that a set of accounts were given a clean audit report, such fraud would be immaterial to the overall accuracy of the accounts?

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But also signed off?


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I mean Hearts accounts were signed off and they were declared a viable going concern about a month before Vlad fled the scene with a couple of suitcases stuffed full of cash for 'shares' and the administrators were called in.

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For all the nature of the alleged offence remains out of the public eye the fact she has been placed under arrest and interviewed under caution means she isn't merely a witness assisting Police Scotland with their enquiries.

Isn't that just how police interviews are done in Scotland? Under caution?

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She will now be aware of any potential charges or at least have knowledge of the specifics of what is being investigated. In many employment contracts there is a clause stating you should make an employer aware if you are accused of a criminal offence, particularly one of dishonesty.

Are you suggesting she's been accused of a criminal offence? That would be newsworthy.

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So if any fraud had taken place within the period that a set of accounts were given a clean audit report, such fraud would be immaterial to the overall accuracy of the accounts?

That would depend on the size and nature of the fraud.

"Materiality" is an important concept in audting and accounts. A book-keeper pilfering some toiletries (cf Rowling, J) probably wouldn't have an effect on the "true and fair" requirement of the Companies Acts. A Board setting up numerous companies to mask underlying losses (cf Enron) certainly would.

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I mean Hearts accounts were signed off and they were declared a viable going concern about a month before Vlad fled the scene with a couple of suitcases stuffed full of cash for 'shares' and the administrators were called in.

I'm not sure that's entirely correct. CWG will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure the Hearts accounts were pretty heavily qualified as not being a going concern and being dependent on the continued support of Ukio.

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That would depend on the size and nature of the fraud.

"Materiality is an important concept in audting and accounts. A book-keeper pilfering some toiletries (cf Rowling, J) wouldn't have an effect on the "true and fair" requirement of the Companies Acts. A Board setting up numerous companies to mask underlying losses (cf Enron) certainly would.

Yeah yeah, toiletries. We want to know if raising funds for one type of pro-independence activity and spending it on another constitutes fraud?

Edit to add: don't answer this if you think it might give rise to a possible contempt of court action.

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A Board setting up numerous companies to mask underlying losses (cf Enron) certainly would.

But AA gave Enron a clean audit report?

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I'm not sure that's entirely correct. CWG will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure the Hearts accounts were pretty heavily qualified as not being a going concern and being dependent on the continued support of Ukio.

That's correct. It was their CEO that declared they were "self-sustainable" or something similar. The auditors did have a Going Concern qualification.

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But AA gave Enron a clean audit report?

.. which is my point. A clean audit report is no guarantee of accurate accounts.

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Is it really that out there to question whether NS should be suspended? It's not that uncommon for people involved in an ongoing police enquiry to be suspended (on full pay) pending the conclusion of said enquiries. Someone like Mason Greenwood would be an example in football but it happens in loads of workplaces. The innocent until proven guilty mantra still applies hence it's suspension rather than dismissal.

For all the nature of the alleged offence remains out of the public eye the fact she has been placed under arrest and interviewed under caution means she isn't merely a witness assisting Police Scotland with their enquiries.

She will now be aware of any potential charges or at least have knowledge of the specifics of what is being investigated. In many employment contracts there is a clause stating you should make an employer aware if you are accused of a criminal offence, particularly one of dishonesty.

Ultimately it's up to the SNP to decide how to deal with it and they will live or die by the decision electorally.

It’s up to the SNP is totally correct but also this case involves the SNP very closely so all parties will have a clear idea of what is happening.
The SNP will know what happened to the money, so it maybe that it sees no need to suspend anyone.
That would not have been the case with Thomson or Greenwood etc.


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.. which is my point. A clean audit report is no guarantee of accurate accounts.

Circular argument, here we are again. So what's the point of auditors?