Tories are still lying *******s

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Unmooring it from its foundations is a fantastic line. Citizens have went from owning utilities, oil reserves, telecomms, postal services, huge amounts of land and property along with reasonable benefits systems, good health and social care, community resources such as parkies, toilets etc etc etc. all of which came with less national and local tax burden to owning next to nothing while all the systems that make communities function have been left at the dock while we drift into the middle of the sea awaiting the next round of stormy weather. Thatcher started it but Cameron and the morons that followed have accelerated it. New Labour never really reversed much of the harm more put a sticking plaster over the gaping wound. We are now so far from land I don't think it is possible to return to the safety of shore and we are constantly shouted at from those on the shore they stole from us to "grow some sea legs".

As you weaken the state don’t be surprised when people’s loyalty to it starts to fall. Hence the rise of the Indy movement in Scotland.
Is Starmer going to reverse that? I doubt it.


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They got a reprieve last minute because of bad publicity and it's temporary until they get their new 15k van. It's difficult I agree with doing things like LEZ but it's always as usual a tax on the poor. Rich people get motors 10 years ago send fumes into the atmosphere for a decade, poorer person buys it and its excluded. There's no many motor's in Morningside that won't qualify to drive in the zone. Should be better government scrappage grants.

Same will happen when they eventually make us have electric heating in our homes, easier for those that can afford the change. Obviously the other side is we need to do something

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They got a reprieve last minute because of bad publicity and it's temporary until they get their new 15k van. It's difficult I agree with doing things like LEZ but it's always as usual a tax on the poor. Rich people get motors 10 years ago send fumes into the atmosphere for a decade, poorer person buys it and its excluded. There's no many motor's in Morningside that won't qualify to drive in the zone. Should be better government scrappage grants.

Same will happen when they eventually make us have electric heating in our homes, easier for those that can afford the change. Obviously the other side is we need to do something

The very poorest don’t have a car at all and use public transport. It’s all upside for them with cleaner air to breath. This has to be done. And when Edinburgh bring in ours next year under the Better Together coalition they’ll have my full support.
This is like the smoking ban, in a few years we’ll look back and wonder why it wasn’t done sooner.


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The Tories - supporting Ukraine but not matching their sanctions.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/01/r...ander-lebedev/

Rishi Sunak has declined to commit to sanctioning the Russian oligarch and former KGB officer Alexander Lebedev, despite both Ukraine and Canada targeting him for his alleged links to Putin’s regime.

The website Tortoise revealed on Wednesday that Lebedev, whose son partly owns the Evening Standard newspaper and was handed a peerage by former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has been targeted by Ukraine as a “person directly or indirectly controlled by residents of a foreign state or acting in their interests”.

The sanction was imposed by Kyiv last October but has not since been matched by the UK.

Ukraine’s decision to impose sanctions on Lebedev comes after the UK’s fellow ‘Five Eyes’ ally Canada also sanctioned him for allegedly enabling “Vladimir Putin’s senseless war in Ukraine.”

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The very poorest don’t have a car at all and use public transport. It’s all upside for them with cleaner air to breath. This has to be done. And when Edinburgh bring in ours next year under the Better Together coalition they’ll have my full support.
This is like the smoking ban, in a few years we’ll look back and wonder why it wasn’t done sooner.


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Not the very poorest but there are many low paid workers that have cars and they are weighted to having older cars. Middle class people don't see any issues. But for the cleaner that starts at 5 before they can get the bus it's not like the smoking ban.

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Not the very poorest but there are many low paid workers that have cars and they are weighted to having older cars. Middle class people don't see any issues. But for the cleaner that starts at 5 before they can get the bus it's not like the smoking ban.

By the time it comes in in Edinburgh you will be able to drive a 17 year old car without any charge at all. I would think if you are driving a car older than that then it’s likely to be cheaper to buy newer rather than maintain an older car. There are not many pre 2006 cars on the road in Edinburgh these days.


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By the time it comes in in Edinburgh you will be able to drive a 17 year old car without any charge at all. I would think if you are driving a car older than that then it’s likely to be cheaper to buy newer rather than maintain an older car. There are not many pre 2006 cars on the road in Edinburgh these days.


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My mates a childminder and her diesel is much younger than that and she can't use it, so it must be later. She needs a 7 seater for work but can't afford a new one. Government can give her 400 or something to scrap it but still no car.

Will be loads of tradesmen in the same boat needing a new van. Needs must but comparisons to smoking bans are only from people not effected

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My mates a childminder and her diesel is much younger than that and she can't use it, so it must be later. She needs a 7 seater for work but can't afford a new one. Government can give her 400 or something to scrap it but still no car.

Will be loads of tradesmen in the same boat needing a new van. Needs must but comparisons to smoking bans are only from people not effected

The*minimum criteria are

Euro 4 for*petrol cars and vans -*generally vehicles registered from 2006

Euro 6 for*diesel cars and vans* -*generally vehicles registered from September 2015



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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nson-whatsapps

Legal action is being launched by the government in a last-ditch attempt to avoid handing over Boris Johnson’s unredacted WhatsApps to the official Covid public inquiry.

The inquiry’s chair, Heather Hallett, had given the Cabinet Office a deadline to comply with her demands for evidence of 4pm on Thursday.

Senior officials had sought to avoid supplying the full files to Lady Hallett, arguing first that they contained “unambiguously irrelevant” details and then claiming they did not have the documents.

But Johnson on Wednesday handed over the full tranche and challenged the government to pass on their entire contents to Hallett.

The decision by the Cabinet Office to launch a judicial review of Hallett’s request risks fuelling allegations of a cover-up, and is an unprecedented challenge to the remit of a public inquiry.

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Clearly Johnson is happy to release as he was quite pro restriction and lockdown, whilst Rishi was the most anti lockdown and restrictions in government along with Patel and Mogg. Must be some tremendous messages hope the B's in government get made to release

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By the time it comes in in Edinburgh you will be able to drive a 17 year old car without any charge at all. I would think if you are driving a car older than that then it’s likely to be cheaper to buy newer rather than maintain an older car. There are not many pre 2006 cars on the road in Edinburgh these days.


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That is just petrol cars. For diesel the date is 2015 and even then it has to be a model from that year not one like mine where it was registered in 2015. It will be a massive pain as I planned to keep my car for another 4 years or so if it keeps going but I support the idea. The execution is terrible though and there should have been thought given to some really fundamental changes to the way we travel in and around the city. This will just punish those who won't be able to afford a LEZ compliant vehicle and whose current car has just lost a huge chunk of value. I'd far rather they went down teh same road as London where you could make the odd journey and pay the fee. I also think that there should be some dispensation for groups like foodbanks and also businesses that invested in a new fleet or vehicle before the announcement of LEZs were made and at a time Diesel was being pushed by the government.

I want Scotland to go through the pain involved in being cleaner and greener. It is similar to the smoking ban etc. Yes, lots will be upset and it seems unfair but it is simply the right thing to do and the more Governments do the right thing the better the world will be.

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Not the very poorest but there are many low paid workers that have cars and they are weighted to having older cars. Middle class people don't see any issues. But for the cleaner that starts at 5 before they can get the bus it's not like the smoking ban.

In Scotland it’s being implemented on the age of the car rather than the CO2 emissions.

My 2005 car with 248g/km will be banned from the zone while something like a 2006 Audi A8 6L with 338g/km will be allowed in.

I’d imagine there’s plenty of low paid workers driving clean cars with tiny engines that would be allowed in London but will be effectively useless in Scotland when this comes in just because of their age.

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In Scotland it’s being implemented on the age of the car rather than the CO2 emissions.

My 2005 car with 248g/km will be banned from the zone while something like a 2006 Audi A8 6L with 338g/km will be allowed in.

I’d imagine there’s plenty of low paid workers driving clean cars with tiny engines that would be allowed in London but will be effectively useless in Scotland when this comes in just because of their age.

I think it is more to do with particulate emissions. That is why diesels have to be much newer as by 2015 they had mechanism to capture particles using ad blue or better dpf etc.

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https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/...759777282?s=20

Crucial new fact from the thicket of Covid inquiry legal wrangling this evening.

While Boris Johnson has passed lots of WhatsApps to the Cabinet Office, they only date from May 2021 onwards - when he got a new phone.

None of the messages before then have been shared

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Classic cars are exempt, not sure why as they splutter out crap and surely aren't needed in the centre of town, have and have nots. Showmans vehicles also exempt and I'm not sure why just there profession protected

"The vehicle was manufactured, or registered under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994, for the first time at least 30 years ago

The vehicle is no longer in production

The vehicle has been historically preserved or maintained in its original state and has not undergone substantial changes in the technical characteristics of its main components"

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That is just petrol cars. For diesel the date is 2015 and even then it has to be a model from that year not one like mine where it was registered in 2015. It will be a massive pain as I planned to keep my car for another 4 years or so if it keeps going but I support the idea. The execution is terrible though and there should have been thought given to some really fundamental changes to the way we travel in and around the city. This will just punish those who won't be able to afford a LEZ compliant vehicle and whose current car has just lost a huge chunk of value. I'd far rather they went down teh same road as London where you could make the odd journey and pay the fee. I also think that there should be some dispensation for groups like foodbanks and also businesses that invested in a new fleet or vehicle before the announcement of LEZs were made and at a time Diesel was being pushed by the government.

I want Scotland to go through the pain involved in being cleaner and greener. It is similar to the smoking ban etc. Yes, lots will be upset and it seems unfair but it is simply the right thing to do and the more Governments do the right thing the better the world will be.

I’m certain that as time goes on, these rules will get tighter and tighter until only electric cars are allowed in cities and even then, it will cost.


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I’m certain that as time goes on, these rules will get tighter and tighter until only electric cars are allowed in cities and even then, it will cost.


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I'd ban them all together in the very centre, doesn't matter how rich you are or if you can afford an expensive "green car" equal foreveryone.

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Classic cars are exempt, not sure why as they splutter out crap and surely aren't needed in the centre of town, have and have nots. Showmans vehicles also exempt and I'm not sure why just there profession protected

"The vehicle was manufactured, or registered under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994, for the first time at least 30 years ago

The vehicle is no longer in production

The vehicle has been historically preserved or maintained in its original state and has not undergone substantial changes in the technical characteristics of its main components"

Fantastic, I swapped my 1989 for one half it’s age and now it turns out the newer one is banned but I could have driven the old one into town with no issues!

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Tories taking the covid enquiry to court is a gift to their opposition. Sunak must have a lot to hide to take this course of action.


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Tories taking the covid enquiry to court is a gift to their opposition. Sunak must have a lot to hide to take this course of action.


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What is known should have him in court he proudly said in the spectator he was the only lockdown sceptic in the cabinet, so God knows what he said privately

“Rishi Sunak has said it was wrong to “empower scientists” to such a degree during the pandemic, as he revealed how he spoke out in government about the costs of lockdown

Those meetings were literally me around that table, just fighting. It was incredibly uncomfortable every single time.”


He got covid lockdown sceptics including the idiot Sunetra Gupta to talk to the cabinet. Also eat out to help out simply cost lives. I think from Hancocks WhatsApps Hancock comes out best in fighting with valance, boris comes out thick but quite pro restrictions when he understands there need which takes a while and Sunak and Gavin Williamson come across as Evil money hungry people

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Johnson has wrote to the enquiry saying he is happy for them to check all messages and bypass cabinet. Love blue on blue fighting, hopefully both of the spivs go under

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1664331678498664450


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Boris Johnson has also now written to the Covid inquiry offering to share the unredacted material directly (ie without the Cabinet Office intermediating)

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Johnson has wrote to the enquiry saying he is happy for them to check all messages and bypass cabinet. Love blue on blue fighting, hopefully both of the spivs go under

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Boris Johnson has also now written to the Covid inquiry offering to share the unredacted material directly (ie without the Cabinet Office intermediating)

Ahhh, the old scorched earth policy, with a bit of poisoning the well thrown in.

All very Moscow in 1812.

Lovely.

J

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I think it is more to do with particulate emissions. That is why diesels have to be much newer as by 2015 they had mechanism to capture particles using ad blue or better dpf etc.

Yup. Additionaly you can't rely on the valid year being from 2015 onwards (official euro 6 standard from then?). My A3 is late 2014 which doesn't have Euro 6 specified on the registration certificate but still meets the criteria and confirmed as ok for the LEZ zones.

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Yup. Additionaly you can't rely on the valid year being from 2015 onwards (official euro 6 standard from then?). My A3 is late 2014 which doesn't have Euro 6 specified on the registration certificate but still meets the criteria and confirmed as ok for the LEZ zones.

https://youtu.be/sCSkNiyYv8g

Direction of travel for Scotland?


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Johnson has been telling fibs again. Anyone surprised?

My new/old phone is on/off/unsafe/lost and needs specialist hackers/divers to switch on/recover from the moat that goes around my mansion.

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Tory MP charged with racist public order offence.


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Yup. Additionaly you can't rely on the valid year being from 2015 onwards (official euro 6 standard from then?). My A3 is late 2014 which doesn't have Euro 6 specified on the registration certificate but still meets the criteria and confirmed as ok for the LEZ zones.

My 2015 Skoda Superb is not compliant. I knew that when I bought it a few years back though. I didn't realise they were going to make it a fine rather than a payment. I try to avoid going into Edinburgh anyway as it is such a mess now. Most of the football grounds will be outside the zones so it won't be much of a problem for me.

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Tories are just vile crooked corrupt ****s


ALL of them

Hope you don't think it's just Tories

In my mind it's a qualification to get into Westminster for all parties

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Hope you don't think it's just Tories

In my mind it's a qualification to get into Westminster for all parties

That is what the Tories want you to think.