SNP are lying b******s as well !

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You're starting to sound like a Celtic fan that expects Hibs fans to share their bigotry. Are the SNP tories because they attack the Labour leader after he's just made an outrageous u-turn?

No the SNP are Tories as historically they have backed them hence the term Tartan Tories

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No the SNP are Tories as historically they have backed them hence the term Tartan Tories

Berwickhibby? Sure its not Punxsutawneyhibby?

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

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No the SNP are Tories as historically they have backed them hence the term Tartan Tories

My personal favourite is when the SNP jumped into bed with the tories in 2014 to campaign against the sovereignty of our nation, then recommended an even weaker devolution proposal to the Smith Commission than the tories.

Or am I getting mixed up?

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My personal favourite is when the SNP jumped into bed with the tories in 2014 to campaign against the sovereignty of our nation, then recommended an even weaker devolution proposal to the Smith Commission than the tories.

Or am I getting mixed up?

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My personal favourite is when the SNP jumped into bed with the tories in 2014 to campaign against the sovereignty of our nation, then recommended an even weaker devolution proposal to the Smith Commission than the tories.

Or am I getting mixed up?

Are not getting confused about when the SNP crossed the chamber to side with the Tories and the ushering in of Thatcher

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Are not getting confused about when the SNP crossed the chamber to side with the Tories and the ushering in of Thatcher

Your turning into another boring troll.


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Are not getting confused about when the SNP crossed the chamber to side with the Tories and the ushering in of Thatcher

You mean following the previous time Labour shafted Scotland over devolution? How many Labour MPs crossed the chamber that day? And why did Labour not take advantage of the 'pairing convention' when one of their own MPs was too unwell to attain the confidence vote? Labour ultimately decided to let Thatcher in.

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Your turning into another boring troll.


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What!! so stating the truth is now trolling….very good 😊 The SNP echo chamber is returning

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My personal favourite is when the SNP jumped into bed with the tories in 2014 to campaign against the sovereignty of our nation, then recommended an even weaker devolution proposal to the Smith Commission than the tories.

Or am I getting mixed up?

They were, however, happy to do a deal with the Tories in 2007 in the Scottish Parliament.

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They were, however, happy to do a deal with the Tories in 2007 in the Scottish Parliament.

I suppose Labour were just too far to the right to work with the SNP, even back then.

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I suppose Labour were just too far to the right to work with the SNP, even back then.

No, I think the Tories were comfy bedfellows.

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No, I think the Tories were comfy bedfellows.

I don't recall Labour stepping up in 2007 to offer their services to the winning party. Clearly they were very bitter about losing out in that election and were hoping that no coalition could be formed.

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Are not getting confused about when the SNP crossed the chamber to side with the Tories and the ushering in of Thatcher

When you say crossed the chamber, that implies they were part of the governing party i.e Labour at that time. They were not, they were in opposition to Labour who had shafted them just a few months earlier. They were in no way beholden to the Labour government and actually were one of a number of parties that voted against Labour. It is actually a very interesting political story. Labour had chances to at least tie the vote but didn't take it with matched voting or allowing the ill member (can't remember his name)to come to Westminster but chose not to use both options. In reality it brought in Thatchers fascists just a few months earlier than would have happened naturally. But it is complete Labour revisionism to suggest that it was all the SNPs fault.

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I don't recall Labour stepping up in 2007 to offer their services to the winning party. Clearly they were very bitter about losing out in that election and were hoping that no coalition could be formed.

It wasn't a coalition. The SNP and Tories did a deal that the Tories would prop up the government.

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It wasn't a coalition. The SNP and Tories did a deal that the Tories would prop up the government.

If it's not a coalition, then they're not propping up the government. What you're left with is a minority government working with parties over individual policy issues. That's how minority government's have to function. Labour in Scotland have had their thumbs in theirs mouths since that election and have made themselves notoriously difficult to work with.

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If it's not a coalition, then they're not propping up the government. What you're left with is a minority government working with parties over individual policy issues. That's how minority government's have to function. Labour in Scotland have had their thumbs in theirs mouths since that election and have made themselves notoriously difficult to work with.

Your last sentence. Which party was first to campaign for rent freezes and ending period poverty?

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Your last sentence. Which party was first to campaign for rent freezes and ending period poverty?

What party was the first to implement it? Labour are good at campaigning for things when they're not actually in a position to implement what they're campaigning for. As soon as it looks like they're going to be in power, the u-turns come flying out, as we're seeing with Keir Starmer.

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Your last sentence. Which party was first to campaign for rent freezes and ending period poverty?

Won’t be long before everyone is blaming everyone else over rent freezes. Scottish rents already rising faster than everywhere else in the UK due to it. It will get worse. Especially for new tennant’s.


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If it's not a coalition, then they're not propping up the government. What you're left with is a minority government working with parties over individual policy issues. That's how minority government's have to function. Labour in Scotland have had their thumbs in theirs mouths since that election and have made themselves notoriously difficult to work with.

It was an informal coalition. The Tories didn't have ministers, but they supported the SNP budget in a deal with Salmond. If they supported the budget in a deal that was propping up the government.

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It was an informal coalition. The Tories didn't have ministers, but they supported the SNP budget in a deal with Salmond. If they supported the budget in a deal that was propping up the government.

Minority Governments operate on a series of "informal coalitions". Any effort to equate the SNP with the tories, just because they were the only opposition party grown up enough at the time to allow for a functioning government is beyond straw clutching.

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Minority Governments operate on a series of "informal coalitions". Any effort to equate the SNP with the tories, just because they were the only opposition party grown up enough at the time to allow for a functioning government is beyond straw clutching.

On the contrary, defending the Tory SNP deal while criticising deals in local authorities is the height of hypocrisy.

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On the contrary, defending the Tory SNP deal while criticising deals in local authorities is the height of hypocrisy.

Difference is, the SNP worked with the tories as the leading party, because the alternatives flat out refused to work with them. Labour didn't need to do deals with the tories in local councils, especially councils where the SNP won the highest vote share. You're creating false equivalences.

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What party was the first to implement it? Labour are good at campaigning for things when they're not actually in a position to implement what they're campaigning for. As soon as it looks like they're going to be in power, the u-turns come flying out, as we're seeing with Keir Starmer.

They can't implemement policy in opposition. The policies were initially rejected before being adopted by the SNp. You started off having a go at the Scottish Labour party then when it's pointed out they've made helpful policy contributions you turn on Starmer. What about the u-turn on free school dinners for secondary pupils by the SNP, the then Ed Sec vowed to pilot that scheme, what's your opinion on that?

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They can't implemement policy in opposition.

Which is very convenient for Labour as they are quick to perform policy u-turns when it looks like they're about to be in power.

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The policies were initially rejected before being adopted by the SNp. You started off having a go at the Scottish Labour party then when it's pointed out they've made helpful policy contributions you turn on Starmer. What about the u-turn on free school dinners for secondary pupils by the SNP, the then Ed Sec vowed to pilot that scheme, what's your opinion on that?

There is no such thing as "policy contributions" from a party that is neither in power or in coalition. All they can do is make policy recommendations. You also assume that these policies weren't already in the pipeline before Labour went public about them as if they were their own idea. As for policies being initially rejected then being adopted. It's more likely that the policy legislation needed to be adjusted before it could be properly implemented.

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Which is very convenient for Labour as they are quick to perform policy u-turns when it looks like they're about to be in power.



There is no such thing as "policy contributions" from a party that is neither in power or in coalition. All they can do is make policy recommendations. You also assume that these policies weren't already in the pipeline before Labour went public about them as if they were their own idea. As for policies being initially rejected then being adopted. It's more likely that the policy legislation needed to be adjusted before it could be properly implemented.

I don't think it is an assumption, why would Monica Lennon receive thanks from the committee convener for bringing the Bill to parliament and raising awareness if that was the case. Do you not have an opinion on the free school dinners pilot u-turn by the SNP?

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I don't think it is an assumption, why would Monica Lennon receive thanks from the committee convener for bringing the Bill to parliament and raising awareness if that was the case. Do you not have an opinion on the free school dinners pilot u-turn by the SNP?

Just because a politician brings a bill into parliament to "raise awareness", doesn't mean that the awareness wasn't already there. Fair play to her though, it was a nice wee stunt that got her a bit of publicity and made it look as if it was Labour's idea all along even if it was already being worked on by government in the background.

I'm not aware of any official u-turn that has been made on that policy thus far. I believe you got it from an article that was suggesting that a u-turn "could" be made, based on something Yousaf said. Although I'm not sure how it could even be classed as a u-turn when the policy in question hasn't even been put into practice yet in order for it to be u-turned on.

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Won’t be long before everyone is blaming everyone else over rent freezes. Scottish rents already rising faster than everywhere else in the UK due to it. It will get worse. Especially for new tennant’s.


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Sorry, meant to come back to you on another unrelated point. Listened to the Jeane Freeman podcast, thought it was really good. The blokes who host the shows are really good at what they do. Also enjoyed the Ruth Davidson one. Podcasts are new to me, find them a good alternative to reading which I don't have as good concentration with anymore. Thanks for posting the link.

[He's here!]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...tants-at-last/

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Just because a politician brings a bill into parliament to "raise awareness", doesn't mean that the awareness wasn't already there. Fair play to her though, it was a nice wee stunt that got her a bit of publicity and made it look as if it was Labour's idea all along even if it was already being worked on by government in the background.

I'm not aware of any official u-turn that has been made on that policy thus far. I believe you got it from an article that was suggesting that a u-turn "could" be made, based on something Yousaf said. Although I'm not sure how it could even be classed as a u-turn when the policy in question hasn't even been put into practice yet in order for it to be u-turned on.

It was opposed because of, believe it or not, cross border Tampax raids! https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...ampon-21469707

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Just because a politician brings a bill into parliament to "raise awareness", doesn't mean that the awareness wasn't already there. Fair play to her though, it was a nice wee stunt that got her a bit of publicity and made it look as if it was Labour's idea all along even if it was already being worked on by government in the background.

I'm not aware of any official u-turn that has been made on that policy thus far. I believe you got it from an article that was suggesting that a u-turn "could" be made, based on something Yousaf said. Although I'm not sure how it could even be classed as a u-turn when the policy in question hasn't even been put into practice yet in order for it to be u-turned on.

Your first para is just incorrect, ML camapaigned for a long time on that issue.

Your second para explained in link below.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...-free-28074209