SNP are lying b******s as well !

[archie]

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Self-fulfilling prophecies

I think what you meant to say was they were right!

[Hibrandenburg]

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The SNP are 'the state' here.

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The front page of the Express is trying to blame the SG for the ferry running aground yesterday. I wonder what the health effects of all that endless seethe are for the readership and staff.

It’s a disgrace. There should be an endless supply of vessels at their fingertips for such maritime incompetence.

[Glory Lurker]

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There is a post from yesterday evening on this thread saying the same.

Sorry, missed that somehow.

[archie]

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Why is that funny?

[Hibrandenburg]

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I think what you meant to say was they were right!

I think you underestimate the power of suggestion. How long have the press been claiming Sturgeon will step down or forced to step down because of this that and the other? It's not exactly news that a welt like Salmond has enemies within the independence fold. Leaders are constantly challenged in politics, it's a dog eat dog world and how many of those arrested have been charged with anything?

There's definitely something to the stories going round but compared to other parties skeletons, the focus on the SNP is way out of proportion.

And before you say I'm another SNP stooge, I'll remind you that I've never voted for them.

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Why is that funny?

For a few reasons, but mainly because on another thread you're arguing that the UK is a unitary state.

So which one is it archie?

[archie]

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I think you underestimate the power of suggestion. How long have the press been claiming Sturgeon will step down or forced to step down because of this that and the other? It's not exactly news that a welt like Salmond has enemies within the independence fold. Leaders are constantly challenged in politics, it's a dog eat dog world and how many of those arrested have been charged with anything?

There's definitely something to the stories going round but compared to other parties skeletons, the focus on the SNP is way out of proportion.

And before you say I'm another SNP stooge, I'll remind you that I've never voted for them.

I just don't understand how 'the power of suggestion' applies here. Are you saying the former FM saw the reports then decided to resign?

I think you are right about the dog eat dog nature of politics. I think most activists and supporters are dismayed at the in fighting and personal ambition that politicos of all parties indulge in. Are politicians nice people? I don't think it's a requirement as they regularly demonstrate. I don't know what you mean by Salmond being a 'welt'. Whatever you think of him he was brutally and cynically effective. And there are a lot of independence supporters here who see him as 'a king across the water' who was set up by his successor.

I'm not sure getting into a game about other parties skeletons will work here. Two Labour leaders resigned over issues. One was a £900 donation and the other was incorrectly declaring rent from a group that sought to get miners compensation. Compare and contrast.

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I think you underestimate the power of suggestion. How long have the press been claiming Sturgeon will step down or forced to step down because of this that and the other? It's not exactly news that a welt like Salmond has enemies within the independence fold. Leaders are constantly challenged in politics, it's a dog eat dog world and how many of those arrested have been charged with anything?

There's definitely something to the stories going round but compared to other parties skeletons, the focus on the SNP is way out of proportion.

And before you say I'm another SNP stooge, I'll remind you that I've never voted for them.

You may not have voted for them, as you live in Germany, however you have said previously that you joined the SNP and are a party member

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For a few reasons, but mainly because on another thread you're arguing that the UK is a unitary state.

So which one is it archie?

It's a unitary state with a high degree of devolution. If you think the SNP doesn't have a big influence on institutions in Scotland we'll have to agree to disagree.

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It's a unitary state with a high degree of devolution. If you think the SNP doesn't have a big influence on institutions in Scotland we'll have to agree to disagree.

I don’t think the level of devolution is that great? States in the US have more autonomy? Pretty sure regions of Germany also have more autonomy.
To have proper devolution, you need control of the money. Scotland doesn’t have that.


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The SNP are 'the state' here.

Just imagine if we had the ability to intervene in these areas currently reserved to London.

The state you said. 😂

benefits (some aspects)
betting and gambling
broadcasting
constitution (some aspects)
consumer protection policy
currency
data protection
defence and national security
equality legislation (most aspects)
energy (most aspects)
elections to the UK Parliament
employment law and industrial relations
financial services
foreign affairs
immigration, asylum and visas
nationality and citizenship
postal services
taxation (some aspects)
telecommunications
trade and industry
transport (some aspects)

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Just imagine if we had the ability to intervene in these areas currently reserved to London.

The state you said. 😂

benefits (some aspects)
betting and gambling
broadcasting
constitution (some aspects)
consumer protection policy
currency
data protection
defence and national security
equality legislation (most aspects)
energy (most aspects)
elections to the UK Parliament
employment law and industrial relations
financial services
foreign affairs
immigration, asylum and visas
nationality and citizenship
postal services
taxation (some aspects)
telecommunications
trade and industry
transport (some aspects)

So you've listed reserved functions. What do you think such an intervention would look like? Do you think the SNP has no impact on institutions in Scotland?

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So you've listed reserved functions. What do you think such an intervention would look like? Do you think the SNP has no impact on institutions in Scotland?

You said the SNP was the state. If you could retract that we might make some headway. If not, I'll let you carry on regardless.

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You said the SNP was the state. If you could retract that we might make some headway. If not, I'll let you carry on regardless.

You don't think that the party that has been in power in Scotland since 2007 can be be considered part of the state here?

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You don't think that the party that has been in power in Scotland since 2007 can be be considered part of the state here?

The are not in power. They are just an elected administration of some functions of government. Real power lies in London.
Anything the SNP does that London doesn’t like, like the DRS, the can stop it happening. And increasingly, that’s what’s happening.


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You don't think that the party that has been in power in Scotland since 2007 can be be considered part of the state here?

Now they're part of the state.

Tell you what, I'll let you think about it for a while and once you've made your mind up I'll come back. 👍

[TrumpIsAPeado]

You're both dancing on the head of a pin here. State is simply an alternative term for government and doesn't have the derogatory effect that some seem to think that it has.

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Now they're part of the state.

Tell you what, I'll let you think about it for a while and once you've made your mind up I'll come back. 👍

Of course they are. Do you not think that health, justice, housing, planning, social security etc. are state functions?

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Of course they are. Do you not think that health, justice, housing, planning, social security etc. are state functions?

If the SNP were the state, as you said, they'd have control over all functions of the state. They don't.

The Scottish Parliament is subservient to Westminster.

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You're both dancing on the head of a pin here. State is simply an alternative term for government and doesn't have the derogatory effect that some seem to think that it has.

We can't have people opining that, "The SNP are the state", when clearly they're not.

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If the SNP were the state, as you said, they'd have control over all functions of the state. They don't.

The Scottish Parliament is subservient to Westminster.

They are part of the state here. How can that be controversial?

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We can't have people opining that, "The SNP are the state", when clearly they're not.

However you would be correct to say “The SNP are a state” 😂

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However you would be correct to say “The SNP are a state” 😂

On that we can agree.

[Ozyhibby]

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They are part of the state here. How can that be controversial?

So is my local swimming baths.


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Love this from Ross. Good to remind the public how empty headed Yousaf’s opposition is.


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I don't think there's an actual ferries thread, but they seem to get mentioned most on here.

The Scottish Government rented a catamaran for £9 million from Pentlands Ferries to cover routes on the West Coast. The ferry they got was the MV Alfred, which had been covering the Pentland Firth, from Caithness to Orkney.

Pentland brought back the MV Pentalina from the yard, which had been getting repaired, to cover the northern route, but that' boat has now run aground. I don't think anyone knows if and when it will be seaworthy again. The MV Alfred itself ran aground las year, I understand

I think the new transport minister, Kevin Stewart, should be out there making a strong and clear statement explaining what's happening. Key questions are

1) Will the MV Alfred be taken back from the west coast routes to service Orkney, leaving people and businesses in the west with no transport? What does the governments rental contract say in this regard?

2) If the MV Alfred stays put, what is the government intending to do to support the Orkney islanders?

3) Given the government has been using Pentland Ferries as a provider of last resort, how did they evaluate risk when leasing the Alfred? To lose one catamaran may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness..

Over to you, minister. But believe this, our island communities deserve better.

MV Alfred is due to start on the Islay route on 5th May when the Finlaggan goes in for her annual refit. It’s still uncertain which mainland port the Alfred will be using as she can’t get on to the jetty at Kennacraig so it could be Campbeltown or it could be Troon. Not good for anybody trying to plan a trip they may be taking in only a few days.
There should be a two ferry service running but the ageing Hebridean Isles is also out of action just now so no doubt bookings will be cancelled.. It’s a mess and yet still nobody takes responsibility. Our islanders certainly do deserve much better.

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Love this from Ross. Good to remind the public how empty headed Yousaf’s opposition is.


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If you’re looking for empty heads , look no further than a transport minister who drove his car around uninsured.

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You don't think that the party that has been in power in Scotland since 2007 can be be considered part of the state here?

Yet can also have apparatus of the bigger established state pulling strings.

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2) If the MV Alfred stays put, what is the government intending to do to support the Orkney islanders?

3) Given the government has been using Pentland Ferries as a provider of last resort, how did they evaluate risk when leasing the Alfred? To lose one catamaran may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness.

The Scottish Government provides support to Northlink Ferries for the lifeline service between the mainland and Orkney.

The Scottish Government provides no support to Pentland Ferries so I don't know where you get this idea of "provider of last resort". Pentland is a private business receiving no Government funding.