Brexit - What Now.

[Ozyhibby]

Is Ireland more boom and bust than the UK?


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[archie]

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A "shock" infers a one off affect. Brexit wasn't a shock, its having an ongoing effect which in the midst of it is hard to quantify but its nor over yet.

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Well the shocks to the economy were Brexit, COVID and Ukraine. The oil price shock of the early 70s had a long lasting impact.

[Kato]

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Well the shocks to the economy were Brexit, COVID and Ukraine. The oil price shock of the early 70s had a long lasting impact.

Ok. I implied your inference was erroneous, but I was.

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[archie]

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Is Ireland more boom and bust than the UK?


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I would say so, but sometimes it is for understandable reasons. This is an interesting (but quite lengthy) analysis of the last 100 years! https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/shar...1111/ehr.13106

[Ozyhibby]

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I would say so, but sometimes it is for understandable reasons. This is an interesting (but quite lengthy) analysis of the last 100 years! https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/shar...1111/ehr.13106

I would say 100 years ago the UK was way richer. It made it so. I’m more interested in the last 30 years?


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[archie]

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I would say 100 years ago the UK was way richer. It made it so. I’m more interested in the last 30 years?


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Well it uses the period up to the 80s to frame what happened then.

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US news report https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/08/iris...ill-looms.html

A more historical left perspective

https://www.socialeurope.eu/irelands...bubble-to-bust
https://www.socialeurope.eu/irelands...ancy-to-brexit

[Kato]

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I would say 100 years ago the UK was way richer. It made it so. I’m more interested in the last 30 years?


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Ireland was rich but the UK exploited it.

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Ireland was rich but the UK exploited it.

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Do you want to say more about what you mean?

[Kato]

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Do you want to say more about what you mean?

What I mean? When Ireland gained independence it was in chaos. Before then GB treated it as a breadbasket. You have heard of the Irish Potato Famine? The potato famine didnt cause starvation, it only had an affect on the potato crop. The export from Ireland of perfectly good produce to GB dinner tables, which continued well after the 1840's.

Colonial exploitation doesn't come in a more obvious story.

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[archie]

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What I mean? When Ireland gained independence it was in chaos. Before then GB treated it as a breadbasket. You have heard of the Irish Potato Famine? The potato famine didnt cause starvation, it only had an affect on the potato crop. The export from Ireland of perfectly good produce to GB dinner tables, which continued well after the 1840's.

Colonial exploitation doesn't come in a more obvious story.

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I was more trying to tease out what you mean by 'rich'. I am, of course' aware of the potato famine. I'm trying to work out how Ireland would fit in the traditional colonial model - exploitation for primary products and tethered market for manufactured goods. None of this suggests I approve of what was done in Ireland.

[Kato]

Rich in agrictiral produce and workers.
Rich in industrial workers and know how.

It was also rich in aristocratic landowners and exploitative industrialists who carted the riches into their own pockets but, it was still rich.


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[grunt]

Microsoft, on setting up a business in the UK:

[Glory Lurker]

As the Microsoft deal is potentially going to be challenged in the US and the EU is going slow on it, I don't think the Microsoft man's targeting is fair.

[One Day Soon]

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As the Microsoft deal is potentially going to be challenged in the US and the EU is going slow on it, I don't think the Microsoft man's targeting is fair.

Microsoft. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of sharks.

[cabbageandribs1875]

great speech from John Nicolson

https://www.facebook.com/TheLondonEc...01461643857907



#BrexitReality

[grunt]

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/guy...-frankly-nuts/

“What Brexit was largely about was people at the top being able to employ the rest of the country for a lot less and pay a lot less tax,” he says

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Turkeys & Christmas

[Jones28]

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Turkeys & Christmas

The 6-day, 60 hour week beckons.

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The 6-day, 60 hour week beckons.

It's what we voted for.

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I hope the Brexiters rot in hell for what they've done to this country.

[Stairway 2 7]

Stop thread. I've found a brexit benefit the right to have more arsenic in our baby food. No red tape for us take that remoaners

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/sta...94937017090050

[BroxburnHibee]

Is invoking the Iraq war lies always a legitimate way to counter anything Alistair Campbell says?

Personally I loved him taking a pop at the BBC in this.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5S0...ZgR9pbRkgPqygJ

[Bristolhibby]

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Is invoking the Iraq war lies always a legitimate way to counter anything Alistair Campbell says?

Personally I loved him taking a pop at the BBC in this.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5S0...ZgR9pbRkgPqygJ

Ignoring the point that ALL but two Tories voted with the Government on the vote to Invade Iraq. That was 2 out of 166 Tories.

Out of 410 Labour MPs 84 voted against the war. A much higher proportion.

An absolute nonsense (and well dated) attack line.

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[Kato]

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Is invoking the Iraq war lies always a legitimate way to counter anything Alistair Campbell says?

Personally I loved him taking a pop at the BBC in this.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5S0...ZgR9pbRkgPqygJ

Always good to reveal these people for the grifters they are.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...2E_bVQapA&s=19


Caught lying about lying and tries to intimidate the person doing the catching.




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[grunt]

Something nobody wanted which provides no additional value but was argued about for years is no longer going to happen.
Brexit in a nutshell.

What a momentously stupid waste of time and money.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Something nobody wanted which provides no additional value but was argued about for years is no longer going to happen.
Brexit in a nutshell.

What a momentously stupid waste of time and money.

I sell in 50g and 100g, but for Americans who are a decent percentage of my customers I include imperial measures

[grunt]

Brexit: so much winning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295\

One of the world's biggest carmakers has called on the government to renegotiate part of the Brexit deal or risk losing parts of its car industry. Stellantis, which makes Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat had committed to making electric vehicles in the UK.

But it has now said it is no longer able to meet Brexit trade rules on where parts are sourced.

[JimBHibees]

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Turkeys & Christmas

Change would not compromise workers rights

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ion-than-ever/

This will upset a good proportion of Brexit voters.


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