SNP are lying b******s as well !

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After what's happened I'm actually surprised the SNP are still trying to big the numbers thing up. Who's going to believe anything they say now?

Straight out the Trump/Putin playbook.

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Maybe that £80k related to another vehicle or vehicles?

I don't think so as that would mean the motorhome hasn't been put in the books. Does seem utterly bizarre he didn't know about it

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Stand by with your tin hat on…. Incoming defence and denial of the founders will be along shortly

No tin hat required. The SNP were involved in some questionable activities before and during WW2 hardline supporters can't really defend or deny this they are much more likely to say er....er....er.... I look forward not back.

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Maybe that £80k related to another vehicle or vehicles?

Obviously the one that Nicola is learning to drive in. If only the journos could run this to ground. 🚙

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That's up to you, but I know that history is on my side.

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/resear...0of%20Scotland.


Roses also have a long history as an emblem and are regularly seen in heraldry. For example the white rose is the plant badge of the Clan Keith which dates back to the time Malcolm II (died 1034) and the Battle of Barrie in 1010. David I (c.1080-1153) granted the family lands in Lothian in 1150. Later Robert the Bruce (1274-1329) granted the hereditary Marischal Earldom to Sir Robert Keith after the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314.

https://www.fairfaxhouse.co.uk/artic...f%20legitimacy.

The White Rose is perhaps the most evocative and powerful of Jacobite symbols, a significance it retains even today. Wearing the White Rose or displaying it on personal possessions signified complete dedication to the Stuart cause, even unto death. For Catholic followers of Jacobitism the rose also possessed an intense religious importance as an emblem of the Virgin Mary. As a symbol associated with royalty the rose has a long history in both England and Scotland, where it is recorded as a Stuart royal symbol from the fifteenth century. White, meanwhile, is the colour of purity and, importantly for the Jacobites, of legitimacy.


It appears that only opponents of independence are seeing anything to do with fascism in the wearing of the white rose.

OK. I don't think the SNP has adopted the White Rose as a fascist emblem. That's just daft. But it is clearly linked, by the SNP, to Hugh Macdairmid. And he has written some questionable stuff along with the poem. That's the issue for some people.

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The national is hardly an opponent of independence, Carol Monaghan snp mp either.

Do either of them link the scotch white rose to fascism? I must have missed it!

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Do either of them link the scotch white rose to fascism? I must have missed it!

Eh she makes it clear she wore it due to a fascist. I believe its a poor move they should ignore him he was decades ago, certainly not tweet his name. I on the other hand believe SNP of today should be in anyway blamed or connected to him. Its like praising Trumps Republicans for Abraham Lincoln

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Eh she makes it clear she wore it due to a fascist. I believe its a poor move they should ignore him he was decades ago, certainly not tweet his name. I on the other hand believe SNP of today should be in anyway blamed or connected to him. Its like praising Trumps Republicans for Abraham Lincoln

I think you know that she used his name because of the poem and not his background.

Runrig has the monument to him on the cover of the album 'Amazing Things', should we decry Runrig as supporters of fascism??

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I think you know that she used his name because of the poem and not his background.

Runrig has the monument to him on the cover of the album 'Amazing Things', should we decry Runrig as supporters of fascism??

Of course she used his name because of his early work for snp and not for his fascism, I believe that is poor and the same with runrig. Most SNP supporters and myself were saying Starmer shouldn't have quoted Margaret Thatcher, not due to the quote but due to her other opinions.

Would you have a poem by Mussolini on your wall or a painting from Adolf, I think not regardless of their quality

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This is like saying Labour are anti-Semitic just because they are in the middle of a civil war over the issue. Nobody really believes they are but it’s used by their opponents. It’s a bit boring to be honest.


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This is like saying Labour are anti-Semitic just because they are in the middle of a civil war over the issue. Nobody really believes they are but it’s used by their opponents. It’s a bit boring to be honest.


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Has everyone not said the SNP or the MPs aren't fascist in any way though, so not the same.

SNP today are obviously nothing to do with the party of almost a century ago. That said I wouldn't highlight a bigot from the past if I were any of them

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I'm sure that's true. But the author also wrote 'A plea for a Scottish Fascism' and 'A programme for a Scottish Fascism'. He also speculated that it would be better if the Germans won WW2. Now I think he was all over the place and could overlook a young man blowing with the political wind. Others are less forgiving. I guess the question is how comfortable are you with his early writings?

It's always funny when you unionists claim the SNP are historically fascist, conveniently forgetting that there were many Nazi sympathisers and admirers in the British establishment. The Royal family had them, the Labour Party had them and one particular Tory went on to establish the British Fascist Party.

As always the unionists want the SNP to be examined under the microscope forgetting what skeletons they have in their own cupboards.

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How could they buy a motor home without him the treasurer knowing about it. There is 80k for vehicle assets in the accounts he signed off.

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The SNP’s former Treasurer Colin Beattie has told journalists that he “didn’t know” about the SNP’s motorhome. He was asked: “Did you know about the motorhome purchase and did you sign it off?” He replied: “No, I didn’t know about it.” Mr Beattie then walked away from the group

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Mind-boggling, not least the fact he seems so utterly ill-briefed to deal with such questions.

As you say, if the motor vehicles referred to in the report don't include the motor home, why hasn't it been put through the books?! Or is Beattie simply incompetent?

I note that further down this story the stand-off between Blackford and Flynn about who knew what and when about the auditors continues apace:

Former SNP treasurer 'didn't know' about motorhome - BBC News

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Obviously the one that Nicola is learning to drive in. If only the journos could run this to ground. ��

Talking of whom, will she be following the beleaguered Beattie in showing face back at Holyrood any time soon?

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It's always funny when you unionists claim the SNP are historically fascist, conveniently forgetting that there were many Nazi sympathisers and admirers in the British establishment. The Royal family had them, the Labour Party had them and one particular Tory went on to establish the British Fascist Party.

As always the unionists want the SNP to be examined under the microscope forgetting what skeletons they have in their own cupboards.

There was also more than one Tory who "liked" Hitler - also members of the aristocracy, press barons, members of the Royal Family.

All of those had way more sway than a bunch of jocks getting pished and writing poetry.

There was also a Tory/Aristocratic "Friends of Germany" group which was prominent. Rings a more recent treacherous bell.

Prince Charles Edward, Queen Vic's grandson joined the Nazi Party and the Brownshirts. His town of Coburg, the ancestral seat of the Hannoverian/Saxe Coburg/Windsor dynasty, became the first municipality in Germany with a Nazi mayor.

He also wore a stormtroopers uniform to Dode V's funeral.

Hitler made head of the German Red Cross which implemented the T4 programme murdering 200,000 disabled people in the name of eugenics.

A white rose pales a bit really.

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Talking of whom, will she be following the beleaguered Beattie in showing face back at Holyrood any time soon?

Doubt she’ll ever be back in Holyrood. A couple more weeks of staying out of reach of any questions and then she’ll stand down as an MSP.

I also doubt we’ll see her give any interviews or speeches anytime soon either.

She told everyone in the media / the country when she resigned as FM, that there was nothing in it, and there was no story to be found. That’s about as far from the truth as possible.

How can she possibly face the same media again?

No idea what the future holds for her, but it will be one completely outside of Scottish politics.

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I don't think so as that would mean the motorhome hasn't been put in the books. Does seem utterly bizarre he didn't know about it

Maybe he wasn't the treasurer at the time, the one who resigned said he wasn't given access to the accounts. This is not my theory, I put my hands up to having read it in the comments section of the herald.

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Maybe he wasn't the treasurer at the time, the one who resigned said he wasn't given access to the accounts. This is not my theory, I put my hands up to having read it in the comments section of the herald.

I'm not sure but he did sign off the 2021 accounts where the 80k of vehicles were in the accounts, so he certainly should have known about it. He might clarify later

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Doubt she’ll ever be back in Holyrood. A couple more weeks of staying out of reach of any questions and then she’ll stand down as an MSP.

I also doubt we’ll see her give any interviews or speeches anytime soon either.

She told everyone in the media / the country when she resigned as FM, that there was nothing in it, and there was no story to be found. That’s about as far from the truth as possible.

How can she possibly face the same media again?

No idea what the future holds for her, but it will be one completely outside of Scottish politics.

A lot of the above will depend on exactly what "the story" turns out to be.

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She told everyone in the media / the country when she resigned as FM, that there was nothing in it, and there was no story to be found. That’s about as far from the truth as possible.

I wish you would tell me what the truth is here, as I don't have a Scooby about what's going on.

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I'm not sure but he did sign off the 2021 accounts where the 80k of vehicles were in the accounts, so he certainly should have known about it. He might clarify later

Do the accounts say that the £80k relates to the motor home?

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Talking of whom, will she be following the beleaguered Beattie in showing face back at Holyrood any time soon?

Your guess is as good as mine, actually no, you're guess is better than mine, you've practiced it more. 😉

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Do the accounts say that the £80k relates to the motor home?

No motor vehicles.

[archie]

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It's always funny when you unionists claim the SNP are historically fascist, conveniently forgetting that there were many Nazi sympathisers and admirers in the British establishment. The Royal family had them, the Labour Party had them and one particular Tory went on to establish the British Fascist Party.

As always the unionists want the SNP to be examined under the microscope forgetting what skeletons they have in their own cupboards.

If you had followed the thread I said he was complex. The issue isn't the pre-war period but the highlighting of him now by the SNP. As to the establishment sympathies for the Nazis in the pre war period, I defy you to find anything that I have ever posted that has in any way tried to defend that.

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There was also more than one Tory who "liked" Hitler - also members of the aristocracy, press barons, members of the Royal Family.

All of those had way more sway than a bunch of jocks getting pished and writing poetry.

There was also a Tory/Aristocratic "Friends of Germany" group which was prominent. Rings a more recent treacherous bell.

Prince Charles Edward, Queen Vic's grandson joined the Nazi Party and the Brownshirts. His town of Coburg, the ancestral seat of the Hannoverian/Saxe Coburg/Windsor dynasty, became the first municipality in Germany with a Nazi mayor.

He also wore a stormtroopers uniform to Dode V's funeral.

Hitler made head of the German Red Cross which implemented the T4 programme murdering 200,000 disabled people in the name of eugenics.

A white rose pales a bit really.

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Sure. But you don't find the current royal family bigging up one of Victoria's 22 grandchildren.

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Do the accounts say that the £80k relates to the motor home?

Another theory from a pretty adamant poster in the herald comments section is the motorhome is showing as a leased vehicle in the accounts. I don't understand accounting, I toil to sometimes understand my own finances, so no idea what this means really.

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No motor vehicles.

Yeah but that's just the standard wording. Purchase of a motor home would probably go into that category. I'm just pointing out that people are assuming the motor home is the vehicle that's in the accounts but it might not be. As with lots of other things, we just don't know.

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Another theory from a pretty adamant poster in the herald comments section is the motorhome is showing as a leased vehicle in the accounts. I don't understand accounting, I toil to sometimes understand my own finances, so no idea what this means really.

There are no "leased vehicles" separately identified in the accounts. Either this poster has inside knowledge or they're guessing.

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Talking of whom, will she be following the beleaguered Beattie in showing face back at Holyrood any time soon?

She is in parliament today?


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I note that further down this story the stand-off between Blackford and Flynn about who knew what and when about the auditors continues apace:

Former SNP treasurer 'didn't know' about motorhome - BBC News

This one is a lovely wee subplot. At least one of them is lying. It seems like years ago rather than months ago when news of a challenge to Blackford as Westminster leader was being dismissed as wishful thinking.