SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Yeh, the FM salary is 140.5k.

What Murrell has been paid is less clear as his salary was stated in the party accounts up until 2013 then not listed for the next eight years. When it reappeared last year it was listed as circa 80k.

Before or after the secret-salary-top-up?!!

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Before or after the secret-salary-top-up?!!

Good point, MPs and MSPs should not be allowed second jobs.

https://news.sky.com/story/westminst...15-4m-12758768

Westminster Accounts: MPs earn £17.1m on top of their salaries since the last election - with Tories taking £15.2m

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Be much more than that. I'm sure the First Minister's salary alone is about £140k.

Not sure what Murrell was paid as Chief Executive but they'll be over £200,000 between the two of them. They'll be pretty well off.

I think this was my point, a couple with no kids and wages they had will be able to spend on pricey pots etc.

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I think this was my point, a couple with no kids and wages they had will be able to spend on pricey pots etc.

Yes but it’s important to leave the impression they stole them.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-65373659

Why would it be proving so hard to find auditors willing to take this on? It's nearly eight months since the last ones closed the account.

And why would Blackford claim to have fully briefed Flynn in December when it turns out he knew nothing about the auditors quitting until February?

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https://twitter.com/connorgillies/st...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

SNP membership on the rise.


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https://twitter.com/connorgillies/st...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

SNP membership on the rise.


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Who's going to believe that? Particularly if Blackford's got anything to do with it...

The SNP's civil war erupts in Westminster | The Spectator

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Who's going to believe that? Particularly if Blackford's got anything to do with it...

The SNP's civil war erupts in Westminster | The Spectator

Is it any more contentious than some of the stuff you post from The Express/Sunday Mail/Daily Mail?

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Who's going to believe that? Particularly if Blackford's got anything to do with it...

The SNP's civil war erupts in Westminster | The Spectator

I believe it.


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I believe it.

You're an SNP fanboy. You'll believe anything they put out.

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Is it any more contentious than some of the stuff you post from The Express/Sunday Mail/Daily Mail?

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Exactly.

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You're an SNP fanboy. You'll believe anything they put out.

How's "better together" coming along? How much better off are we compared to 9 years ago?

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How's "better together" coming along? How much better off are we compared to 9 years ago?

We aren't getting an answer to that anytime soon...

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How's "better together" coming along? How much better off are we compared to 9 years ago?

The better together and brexit crew don’t really care about that. It’s all union flags and Rule Britannia.


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How's "better together" coming along? How much better off are we compared to 9 years ago?

You're new here, aren't you?

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https://twitter.com/connorgillies/st...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

SNP membership on the rise.


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There was some chat on Newsnight or Sky about the membership numbers since 2014.

Part of the discussion was that a lot of the newer members were the ones that were responsible for the shift more towards the green agenda and identity politics stuff.

It was never front and central under Salmond, and whilst I appreciate the world has moved on since then, do you think there is any merit in the above view?

Is there maybe a group of SNP members that are the similar to how Momemtun influenced Labour re Corbyn? Yousaf would do well to avoid that path as best as possible.

Listening to Salmond and McKaskill's recent interviews, Alba seem to be talking a lot of sense.

I used they think they were the radical ones but I'm now wondering if there's is the more sensible approach than the SNPs.

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Who's going to believe that? Particularly if Blackford's got anything to do with it...

The SNP's civil war erupts in Westminster | The Spectator

Don't you think there's a possibility that recent events - tent in the Murrells' garden, spurious headlines in the papers for weeks and a few arrests - but with no charges brought - might lead to a bunker mentality and a defensive bounce amongst those who aren't inclined to believe all they read?

Or that some folk have actually been quietly disillusioned with the old guard, and a fresh start under a new leader might bring about a bounce in membership, even if he is perceived to be the continuity candidate?


I certainly found it easy to accept that membership numbers would have dropped off as Sturgeon and co started to pursue largely unpopular policies such as the gender bill.


Shooting Blackford the messenger may be your action of choice but an increase wouldn't be much of a surprise to me tbh. I've been trying to keep an open mind on it all but I can't pretend there isn't a bit of me that wants to fight their corner with them a part of me that had been getting pretty disillusioned.

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Don't you think there's a possibility that recent events - tent in the Murrells' garden, spurious headlines in the papers for weeks and a few arrests - but with no charges brought - might lead to a bunker mentality and a defensive bounce amongst those who aren't inclined to believe all they read?

Or that some folk have actually been quietly disillusioned with the old guard, and a fresh start under a new leader might bring about a bounce in membership, even if he is perceived to be the continuity candidate?


I certainly found it easy to accept that membership numbers would have dropped off as Sturgeon and co started to pursue largely unpopular policies such as the gender bill.


Shooting Blackford the messenger may be your action of choice but an increase wouldn't be much of a surprise to me tbh. I've been trying to keep an open mind on it all but I can't pretend there isn't a bit of me that wants to fight their corner with them a part of me that had been getting pretty disillusioned.

If the polls keep plummeting for the snp then I'd say no

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If the polls keep plummeting for the snp then I'd say no

Polls and memberships are different things though and might go in different directions.

Polls might be affected by the more whimsical deciding to take their vote elsewhere, not unreasonable.

I don't think it's unthinkable though that you might see a hardening of those already sympathetic under what could possibly be perceived to be an attack.

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Polls and memberships are different things though and might go in different directions.

Polls might be affected by the more whimsical deciding to take their vote elsewhere, not unreasonable.

I don't think it's unthinkable though that you might see a hardening of those already sympathetic under what could possibly be perceived to be an attack.

I hope so but I think 40% either side are hard yes or no, independence will happen or not on the 10%. SNP should put most of their energy into this group and I think they definitely haven't.

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Don't you think there's a possibility that recent events - tent in the Murrells' garden, spurious headlines in the papers for weeks and a few arrests - but with no charges brought - might lead to a bunker mentality and a defensive bounce amongst those who aren't inclined to believe all they read?

Or that some folk have actually been quietly disillusioned with the old guard, and a fresh start under a new leader might bring about a bounce in membership, even if he is perceived to be the continuity candidate?


I certainly found it easy to accept that membership numbers would have dropped off as Sturgeon and co started to pursue largely unpopular policies such as the gender bill.


Shooting Blackford the messenger may be your action of choice but an increase wouldn't be much of a surprise to me tbh. I've been trying to keep an open mind on it all but I can't pretend there isn't a bit of me that wants to fight their corner with them a part of me that had been getting pretty disillusioned.

If you read the links I posted you'll see that Blackford has nothing to do with the membership update. I'm just pointing out he's been called out as a liar by Flynn.

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I hope so but I think 40% either side are hard yes or no, independence will happen or not on the 10%.

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Class maths whilst the bairn jumps over me. I was going to say 45% but then I thought have the polls not been further either way. I'm not sure, but it is probably 45% that won't change

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Who's going to believe that? Particularly if Blackford's got anything to do with it...

The SNP's civil war erupts in Westminster | The Spectator

It looks like the appetite for party numbers to be produced will continue for a while. Do you have any idea what the other political party numbers are in Scotland?

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Class maths whilst the bairn jumps over me. I was going to say 45% but then I thought have the polls not been further either way. I'm not sure, but it is probably 45% that won't change

Think you're right here. Task for SNP is not only to target the 10% undecideds, but also to hold onto the 45% Yes voters they already have. This is what the current media / BT onslaught is about, IMO.

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It looks like the appetite for party numbers to be produced will continue for a while. Do you have any idea what the other political party numbers are in Scotland?

I wonder if the Scottish Lib Dem’s even have as many members as the SNP has added in last couple of weeks?


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It looks like the appetite for party numbers to be produced will continue for a while. Do you have any idea what the other political party numbers are in Scotland?

Yesterday - Scottish Conservative chairman Craig Hoy claimed the SNP "is addicted to secrecy".

Today - The Scottish Conservatives told STV News it does not publish its membership figures.

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/snp-mem...der-party-says

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It looks like the appetite for party numbers to be produced will continue for a while. Do you have any idea what the other political party numbers are in Scotland?

Well not the tories, they're refusing to release theirs.

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There was some chat on Newsnight or Sky about the membership numbers since 2014.

Part of the discussion was that a lot of the newer members were the ones that were responsible for the shift more towards the green agenda and identity politics stuff.

It was never front and central under Salmond, and whilst I appreciate the world has moved on since then, do you think there is any merit in the above view?

Is there maybe a group of SNP members that are the similar to how Momemtun influenced Labour re Corbyn? Yousaf would do well to avoid that path as best as possible.

Listening to Salmond and McKaskill's recent interviews, Alba seem to be talking a lot of sense.

I used they think they were the radical ones but I'm now wondering if there's is the more sensible approach than the SNPs.

I think there has been some members noisier than other in recent years pushing the party. That’s all very well but they are doing it as a form of short cut without taking the general public with them. There is only so far you can stretch that elastic band before it snaps back to the middle. I think we’ll see that over next couple of years. The party will be firmly back in the centre for the Scottish elections.

This happens in all parties imo.


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I wonder if the Scottish Lib Dem’s even have as many members as the SNP has added in last couple of weeks?


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The Tories, whilst asking for full transparency of others, have refused to publish their numbers.

Any Labour peeps know what the Scottish numbers are?

The greens have 7646