Sportscene 22/23

[greenlex]

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Right - now we are what this is about.

In your head.

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Just switched over great to see Alan ‘Mad ‘ McGregor getting lobbed and falling on his erchie

Not a lot he could do about it but pleasing anyway

Worth the Licence Fee alone

[archie]

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Leaving aside the politically based BBC bashing, surely Sportscene could do a better job with its current budget?

Proper tactical analysis, giving each game a sensible allocation of air time, fewer jobs for the boys and less sticking up for their mates.

I agree. I think the highlights are short, but that might be contractual? I'd have a news round up and maybe newspaper gossip. And maybe some features, like the half time ones on Alba. Updates on Scottish players playing abroad. A set piece interview with a former player from time to time. I think Stephen Thompson has zero charisma, but keeps it moving.

[archie]

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In your head.

Except if you read the comments you would get that impression.

[Victor]

What I would like to know is how much do the BBC pay the EPL for their highlights package and how much they pay the SPL for theirs. If there is a massive discrepancy then it would be appropriate to complain considering we are paying the same licence fee as people in England, who get a much classier show.


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[marinello59]

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By a publicly funded broadcaster. What is the business case to justify it to the licence fee payer?

Maybe the same business case made to cover the production costs of Line of Duty etc.?

[archie]

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What I would like to know is how much do the BBC pay the EPL for their highlights package and how much they pay the SPL for theirs. If there is a massive discrepancy then it would be appropriate to complain considering we are paying the same licence fee as people in England, who get a much classier show.


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I read £211m but I don't know how many years that covers. Likely to be intense bidding for the next round apparently.

[Tyler Durden]

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What I would like to know is how much do the BBC pay the EPL for their highlights package and how much they pay the SPL for theirs. If there is a massive discrepancy then it would be appropriate to complain considering we are paying the same licence fee as people in England, who get a much classier show.


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Why would that be appropriate?

Should River City have the same budget as Eastenders?

[Baader]

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What I would like to know is how much do the BBC pay the EPL for their highlights package and how much they pay the SPL for theirs. If there is a massive discrepancy then it would be appropriate to complain considering we are paying the same licence fee as people in England, who get a much classier show.


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But you get to watch both? It's not like Motd is unavailable in Scotland.

[007]

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What I would like to know is how much do the BBC pay the EPL for their highlights package and how much they pay the SPL for theirs. If there is a massive discrepancy then it would be appropriate to complain considering we are paying the same licence fee as people in England, who get a much classier show.


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Scotland gets Match of the Day and Sportscene, England only gets Match of the Day. Maybe folk in England should complain.

[Irish_Steve]

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Scotland gets Match of the Day and Sportscene, England only gets Match of the Day. Maybe folk in England should complain.

Maybe folk in England should thank their lucky stars........

[archie]

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Scotland gets Match of the Day and Sportscene, England only gets Match of the Day. Maybe folk in England should complain.

The way people go on here like it's a national affront that MOTD is shown here.

[archie]

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By a publicly funded broadcaster. What is the business case to justify it to the licence fee payer?

It's not just a business case. Because of the licence fee the BBC has a duty to cover a range of subjects. Surely Scottish and English football being free to air is a good thing?

[CentreLine]

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Commercial channels wanted England games. SFA went with Viaplay. I like watching Match of thr Day. What's the problem? Why can't I have that choice?

But you do have the choice. If you want English tv you simply tune in to English tv.
I don’t want to watch English women’s football or FA cup games. My choice very often seems to be to turn off or look for something on a pay per view channel. It tells me the bbc put a disproportionate amount of my licence fee in to English football.
When the Scottish League Cup final was on, bbc and itv were showing us the above live and not even a nod towards a national cup final taking place in part of the uk by any terrestrial channel. It may even have been bbc one and two rather than itv. One way or another two of the principal terrestrial channels were dominated by English football and regularly are.

[HarpOnHibee]

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Scotland gets Match of the Day and Sportscene, England only gets Match of the Day. Maybe folk in England should complain.

About as much people in Scotland care about English football as people in England care about Scottish football. People in Scotland will watch MOTD because it's on, not because they have a major vested interest in it. People in England can watch Sportscene on BBC iPlayer simply by changing their geographical setting to Scotland. But they don't, because they don't give a jobby.

[archie]

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But you do have the choice. If you want English tv you simply tune in to English tv.
I don’t want to watch English women’s football or FA cup games. My choice very often seems to be to turn off or look for something on a pay per view channel. It tells me the bbc put a disproportionate amount of my licence fee in to English football.
When the Scottish League Cup final was on, bbc and itv were showing us the above live and not even a nod towards a national cup final taking place in part of the uk by any terrestrial channel.

English TV?

[CentreLine]

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English TV?

Yes. The bbc is regionalised to the four nations. It’s why we have a bbc one Scotland and a bbc Scotland, a bbc wales and bbc N Ireland.

[archie]

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Yes. The bbc is regionalised to the four nations. It’s why we have a bbc one Scotland and a bbc Scotland, a bbc walkers and bbc N Ireland.

BBC1 is a UK channel that has opt out across the whole country. MOTD isn't on BBC England.

[CentreLine]

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BBC1 is a UK channel that has opt out across the whole country. MOTD isn't on BBC England.

Pedantic but true. But, to be fair, we are talking about football broadcasting here and ENGLISH football dominating the screens of terrestrial tv, to the detriment of the game here.

[archie]

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Pedantic but true. But, to be fair, we are talking about football broadcasting here and ENGLISH football dominating the screens of terrestrial tv, to the detriment of the game here.

As someone who loves Scottish football, I don't love Sportscene. I posted some thoughts above about how it might be improved. I don't think coverage of the EPL hurts us because it is just such a different thing

[Victor]

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Why would that be appropriate?

Should River City have the same budget as Eastenders?

I think you are missing the point. If, as someone suggested, the BBC are paying £211 million pound for EPL highlights, that is a massive waste of OUR licence fee. I don’t think the public should be paying that sort of money to an already wealthy organisation. When you put production costs (i.e. presenters salaries) on top of the initial fee then it is even more obscene. Particularly when you consider that not everyone likes football. Maybe Sportscene, with its cheap production costs and minuscule fee paid to the SPL is good value for money after all!


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[007]

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About as much people in Scotland care about English football as people in England care about Scottish football. People in Scotland will watch MOTD because it's on, not because they have a major vested interested in it. People in England can watch Sportscene on BBC iPlayer simply by changing their geographical setting to Scotland. But they don't, because they don't give a jobby.

I agree that not many in England are bothered about Scottish football but cannot agree the reverse is true or the implication that the people in Scotland watching MotD are doing so just because it is on. Some will be but only a small proportion I'd say.

[HarpOnHibee]

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I agree that not many in England are bothered about Scottish football but cannot agree the reverse is true or the implication that the people in Scotland watching MotD are doing so just because it is on. Some will be but only a small proportion I'd say.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. All I can say is that just about anybody that I know (who isn't originally from England) will watch MOTD simply because it's on, not because they take English football seriously or have any real following of any of the clubs down there.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. All I can say is that just about anybody that I know (who isn't originally from England) will watch MOTD simply because it's on, not because they take English football seriously or have any real following of any of the clubs down there.

I watch MOTD because I’m a Man Utd “fan”, I say that in quotation marks because my fandom of United goes as far as buying a shirt every few years and going down once every five or so years for a game. It doesn’t contend with my support for hibs or Scotland, not even close. But I’ll watch MOTD every week to watch the highlights even if I’ve watched the game live on TV. You’re probably right that a similar amount of people here care about English fitba as what people down south care about ours, but they have 10x the population. Their clubs are a much more attractive prospect for potential supporters than ours unfortunately.


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[Baader]

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About as much people in Scotland care about English football as people in England care about Scottish football. People in Scotland will watch MOTD because it's on, not because they have a major vested interest in it. People in England can watch Sportscene on BBC iPlayer simply by changing their geographical setting to Scotland. But they don't, because they don't give a jobby.

Don't think that's true at all about Scots not bothering for English football. Just go to any pub on Wednesday night to see how many want to watch Man City v Arsenal. Like it or not, a lot of Scots will want to see that.

[007]

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Don't think that's true at all about Scots not bothering for English football. Just go to any pub on Wednesday night to see how many want to watch Man City v Arsenal. Like it or not, a lot of Scots will want to see that.

Or an awful lot of people just happen to be in the pubs when the matches come on the TV. 🤔

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

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Or an awful lot of people just happen to be in the pubs when the matches come on the TV.

On a Wednesday? Pubs are usually empty on a Wednesday night unless Man Utd/Liverpool/Der Hun/Shellick are playing in Europe that night


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[Scotty Leither]

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Right - now we are what this is about.

One poster higher up this thread says: “England is a different country “.

To which you replied “Don’t be silly”.

So now I get what all this is about.

[007]

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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. All I can say is that just about anybody that I know (who isn't originally from England) will watch MOTD simply because it's on, not because they take English football seriously or have any real following of any of the clubs down there.

Your experience is a lot different to mine. A large number of Scottish football fans I've ever come across have a preferred English team or at the very least teams they like more than others and teams they dislike.

[He's here!]

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About as much people in Scotland care about English football as people in England care about Scottish football. People in Scotland will watch MOTD because it's on, not because they have a major vested interest in it. People in England can watch Sportscene on BBC iPlayer simply by changing their geographical setting to Scotland. But they don't, because they don't give a jobby.

Like it or not, the Premier League is a massive global attraction. I can't really be ersed with it these days, but a great many Scottish football fans also follow English teams. Personally I used to travel to watch Everton when time and money allowed and I knew plenty of folk back then who did similar, the majority to watch Man United or Liverpool, although some had family/geographical connections to less glamorous teams and I've had some cracking trips with friends to watch the likes of Palace, QPR, Oldham and even York City. The cost of doing so these days is prohibitive (which perhaps accounts for the numbers at Scottish games holding up quite well), but you will still see stacks of kids in Scotland wearing English team kits when playing football in the park. It's simply not true to say Scottish fans view English football in the way the majority English fans view Scottish football. It's very popular up here full stop, as it is around the world.

I would say, however, it's wrong to lump all English football fans into the 'couldn't give a **** about Scottish football' camp. I've come across fans from all over England who have a respectful and knowledgeable awareness of the Scottish game and I've even met fans down the years for whom Hibs are their second team, often travelling north to watch us.