Sportscene 22/23

**HarpOnHibee** · 23-04-2023 04:36 PM

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I get Match of the Day and Sportscene, what extra are English viewers getting? Do they even get Sportscene?

We also have the privilege of getting England national games. I don't think England get subjected to Sportscene. But if somebody in England really wanted to torture themselves, they could simply open up their BBC iPlayer app and change their geographic location to Scotland.

**Scotty Leither** · 23-04-2023 04:41 PM

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It’s not the job of the BBC to subsidise Scottish Football. It’s Scottish Footballs job to maximise its TV revenue, something I can only assume they feel they have done by going with Sky for league football and ViaPlay for Internationals.

Nor is it “viewers in Scotland “ (copyright BBC) job to “subsidise”Match of the Day by that rationale?

We pay the same license fee; unless you can afford to pay for a subscription channel, you cannot watch your national team live on terrestrial TV. On that same terrestrial channel (and ITV) you can watch all of England’s matches (I.e. NOT) your own country.

“Tough ****” seems to be the prevailing response to that from certain posters on here.

**archie** · 23-04-2023 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

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We also have the privilege of getting England national games. I don't think England get subjected to Sportscene. But if somebody in England really wanted to torture themselves, they could simply open up their BBC iPlayer app and change their geographic location to Scotland.

England games aren't on BBC.

**archie** · 23-04-2023 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Scotty Leither

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Nor is it “viewers in Scotland “ (copyright BBC) job to “subsidise”Match of the Day by that rationale?

We pay the same license fee; unless you can afford to pay for a subscription channel, you cannot watch your national team live on terrestrial TV. On that same terrestrial channel (and ITV) you can watch all of England’s matches (I.e. NOT) your own country.

“Tough ****” seems to be the prevailing response to that from certain posters on here.

Commercial channels wanted England games. SFA went with Viaplay. I like watching Match of thr Day. What's the problem? Why can't I have that choice?

***bringbackbenny*** · 23-04-2023 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Scotty Leither

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Nor is it “viewers in Scotland “ (copyright BBC) job to “subsidise”Match of the Day by that rationale?

We pay the same license fee; unless you can afford to pay for a subscription channel, you cannot watch your national team live on terrestrial TV. On that same terrestrial channel (and ITV) you can watch all of England’s matches (I.e. NOT) your own country.

“Tough ****” seems to be the prevailing response to that from certain posters on here.

Bang on. We should meekly accept national team games not being free to air plus a highlights package that's beyond amateurish. Got to know our place in the hierarchy 😒

***grunt*** · 23-04-2023 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by archie

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Commercial channels wanted England games. SFA went with Viaplay. I like watching Match of thr Day. What's the problem? Why can't I have that choice?

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

***greenlex*** · 23-04-2023 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by archie

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OK. What you want is for a public body (the BBC) to pay over the odds to a private body (the SPFL)? If viaplay bid more would you be happy with that?

No I want a publicly funded body to treat its public on an equal basis no matter where they are. We get well presented programmes on English football including the FA Cup and England internationals (AFAIK) with well paid presenters aimed at English viewers whilst as Scot’s we get absolute tripe aimed at us.
It’s not difficult to understand if you get your union specs off. You can surely see Scots in this case are not equally catered for by a publicly funded body. Or can you?

***marinello59*** · 23-04-2023 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by bringbackbenny

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Bang on. We should meekly accept national team games not being free to air plus a highlights package that's beyond amateurish. Got to know our place in the hierarchy 😒

You want to be asking the SFA why that is, not the BBC.

***marinello59*** · 23-04-2023 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by greenlex

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No I want a publicly funded body to treat its public on an equal basis no matter where they are. We get well presented programmes on English football including the FA Cup and England internationals (AFAIK) with well paid presenters aimed at English viewers whilst as Scot’s we get absolute tripe aimed at us.
It’s not difficult to understand if you get your union specs off. You can surely see Scots in this case are not equally catered for by a publicly funded body. Or can you?

I actually like Sportscene. Keeping it real.

**hibsbollah** · 23-04-2023 05:08 PM

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No I want a publicly funded body to treat its public on an equal basis no matter where they are. We get well presented programmes on English football including the FA Cup and England internationals (AFAIK) with well paid presenters aimed at English viewers whilst as Scot’s we get absolute tripe aimed at us.
It’s not difficult to understand if you get your union specs off. You can surely see Scots in this case are not equally catered for by a publicly funded body. Or can you?

Correct.

***greenlex*** · 23-04-2023 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by marinello59

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I actually like Sportscene. Keeping it real.

**Scotty Leither** · 23-04-2023 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by archie

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Commercial channels wanted England games. SFA went with Viaplay. I like watching Match of thr Day. What's the problem? Why can't I have that choice?

You can have that “choice” as long as you can afford it. Meanwhile “viewers in Scotland” (copyright the BBC, along with “news where you are”), don’t get that choice unless you fork out for it, over and above the broadcasting equivalent of the poll tax, aka the licence fee.

**Glory Lurker** · 23-04-2023 05:53 PM

I totally get the inappropriate subsidy argument and instinctively agree with it. It depends on being able to compare what you put in to what you get out though. Is there reliable stats for what the Beeb's English football budget brings in? We need that first, surely, to know if the coverage of English football isn't a subsidy.

Also, and again I don't know without stats, what is the budget for the arts, and what does that recover?

**archie** · 23-04-2023 06:26 PM

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I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

This quote courtesy of the BBC!

**archie** · 23-04-2023 06:32 PM

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No I want a publicly funded body to treat its public on an equal basis no matter where they are. We get well presented programmes on English football including the FA Cup and England internationals (AFAIK) with well paid presenters aimed at English viewers whilst as Scot’s we get absolute tripe aimed at us.
It’s not difficult to understand if you get your union specs off. You can surely see Scots in this case are not equally catered for by a publicly funded body. Or can you?

I know you see everything through the prism of the constitution, but this is just silly. The BBC isn't showing England internationals. I'm pleased that EPL highlights and SPL highlights are still free to air. The issue appears to be that the BBC should pay more for the coverage in Scotland. Taking off the grievance specs, why? And the idea that people in Scotland don't want to see the EPL is daft. Would I like the Scottish programme to be better? Yes. So rather than trying to make a constitution issue out of it, why don't you say how you would like it to be better?

**archie** · 23-04-2023 06:34 PM

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You can have that “choice” as long as you can afford it. Meanwhile “viewers in Scotland” (copyright the BBC, along with “news where you are”), don’t get that choice unless you fork out for it, over and above the broadcasting equivalent of the poll tax, aka the licence fee.

The SFA chose to go with the UEFA deal.

**Glory Lurker** · 23-04-2023 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by archie

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I know you see everything through the prism of the constitution, but this is just silly. The BBC isn't showing England internationals. I'm pleased that EPL highlights and SPL highlights are still free to air. The issue appears to be that the BBC should pay more for the coverage in Scotland. Taking off the grievance specs, why? And the idea that people in Scotland don't want to see the EPL is daft. Would I like the Scottish programme to be better? Yes. So rather than trying to make a constitution issue out of it, why don't you say how you would like it to be better?

Is BBC coverage of English football a subsidy though?

**archie** · 23-04-2023 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by greenlex

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No I want a publicly funded body to treat its public on an equal basis no matter where they are. We get well presented programmes on English football including the FA Cup and England internationals (AFAIK) with well paid presenters aimed at English viewers whilst as Scot’s we get absolute tripe aimed at us.
It’s not difficult to understand if you get your union specs off. You can surely see Scots in this case are not equally catered for by a publicly funded body. Or can you?

So what would that mean in practice? The BBC volunteers to pay the same for the rights to Scottish football as they do in England. Or why not match Sky?

**Scotty Leither** · 23-04-2023 06:38 PM

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The SFA chose to go with the UEFA deal.

Which closes off large swathes of the population that can’t afford a subscription channel.

Were we to have our own broadcaster we might get a better deal than we’re getting at the moment.

**archie** · 23-04-2023 06:40 PM

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Is BBC coverage of English football a subsidy though?

A subsidy of what? It's a commercial bid.

**archie** · 23-04-2023 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Scotty Leither

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Which closes off large swathes of the population that can’t afford a subscription channel.

Were we to have our own broadcaster we might get a better deal than we’re getting at the moment.

I agree on the viaplay deal. I think it's much better if the national team is on free to air.

**Clarence** · 23-04-2023 06:45 PM

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No I want a publicly funded body to treat its public on an equal basis no matter where they are. We get well presented programmes on English football including the FA Cup and England internationals (AFAIK) with well paid presenters aimed at English viewers whilst as Scot’s we get absolute tripe aimed at us.
It’s not difficult to understand if you get your union specs off. You can surely see Scots in this case are not equally catered for by a publicly funded body. Or can you?

I agree with you that Scottish football is a bit underserved by the BBC but by your rationale, would we then also have to cater for Welsh and Northern Irish football equally?

**Scotty Leither** · 23-04-2023 06:49 PM

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I agree with you that Scottish football is a bit underserved by the BBC but by your rationale, would we then also have to cater for Welsh and Northern Irish football equally?

Yes, and why shouldn’t an organisation that styles itself as “the national broadcaster” cater for all countries equally?

**Steven79** · 23-04-2023 06:49 PM

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Yes, and why shouldn’t an organisation that styles itself as “the national broadcaster” cater for all countries equally?

Because the only country that matters is England...

**archie** · 23-04-2023 06:53 PM

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Yes, and why shouldn’t an organisation that styles itself as “the national broadcaster” cater for all countries equally?

What does that mean in practice?

**Glory Lurker** · 23-04-2023 06:53 PM

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A subsidy of what? It's a commercial bid.

By a publicly funded broadcaster. What is the business case to justify it to the licence fee payer?

***Eyrie*** · 23-04-2023 06:55 PM

Leaving aside the politically based BBC bashing, surely Sportscene could do a better job with its current budget?

Proper tactical analysis, giving each game a sensible allocation of air time, fewer jobs for the boys and less sticking up for their mates.

**Scotty Leither** · 23-04-2023 06:58 PM

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What does that mean in practice?

By devolving broadcasting for a start…

**Glory Lurker** · 23-04-2023 07:01 PM

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Leaving aside the politically based BBC bashing, surely Sportscene could do a better job with its current budget?

Proper tactical analysis, giving each game a sensible allocation of air time, fewer jobs for the boys and less sticking up for their mates.

There's that as well, but it's not as much fun :-)