Tories are still lying *******s

***Ozyhibby*** · 23-03-2023 04:12 PM

The reason why Sunak constantly going on about these people crossing the channel.

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***Mibbes Aye*** · 23-03-2023 04:22 PM

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It was Gordon Brown who reduced CGT rates to 18%. Prior to him, Nigel Lawson had them at the same as marginal IT rates.

Bloody socialists

Bit harsh on GB (and I don’t mean calling him a socialist

).

It was 1998 wasn’t it? I think there were at least two factors at play. Firstly, Blair and Brown had replaced the fear of not getting elected because of their economic record, with being afraid of being one-term only, because of their economic policy. As far as I can recall, there was also the pre-election commitment to not deviate from their opponent’s fiscal policy, either for the first two years or all of a first term. What I can’t remember is whether Major and Clark had committed to reducing it post-GE, which would explain it in itself.

Perhaps more fundamentally, GB was a Chancellor of his time. Apart from the fear of losing in 97 and then in 01, he was also very much alive to the economic outlook for when he felt he would rightfully assume the office of PM. Add to that, the only other Labour government in his adult life had crashed and burned on IMF loans, currency runs and rampant inflation - I think he sought stability and security. Certainly the changes to CGT were seen as promoting long-term investment over short-termism. When you consider that his first few months as shadow Chancellor saw Black Wednesday it’s no surprise he would use fiscal levers to restrict speculative activity.

None of that is to say he was right, 100%. I suspect he didn’t intend the knock-on effect of buy-to-lets restricting entry into the housing market for new buyers. But it gives some context.

***Kato*** · 23-03-2023 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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The reason why Sunak constantly going on about these people crossing the channel.

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...or the result of him constantly going on about them...

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***Ozyhibby*** · 23-03-2023 04:44 PM

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...or the result of him constantly going on about them...

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The advantage of incumbency. You can shape the nations talking points.

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***grunt*** · 23-03-2023 04:46 PM

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The advantage of incumbency. You can shape the nations talking points.

Specially if you own the press and the media.

***Mibbes Aye*** · 23-03-2023 04:51 PM

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I'm not really seeing the issue, despite how social media is spinning it.

1. his overall Income Tax rate is just under 40%, which seems reasonable.

2. his overall Capital Gains Tax rate is just under 20%, which seems reasonable.

And that’s why accountants aren’t bishops

(I assume) he hasn’t broken any laws, he would be out his job for starters if so.

But it raises massive flags about morality and probity in public life, given he has failed to provide disclosure for the period prior to 19-20, when he was an MP and a government minister. It also raises questions more widely about the ethics of wealth and its structural inequalities.

**JeMeSouviens** · 23-03-2023 06:41 PM

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And that’s why accountants aren’t bishops

(I assume) he hasn’t broken any laws, he would be out his job for starters if so.

But it raises massive flags about morality and probity in public life, given he has failed to provide disclosure for the period prior to 19-20, when he was an MP and a government minister. It also raises questions more widely about the ethics of wealth and its structural inequalities.

What a quaint notion.

***Kato*** · 23-03-2023 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

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And that’s why accountants aren’t bishops

(I assume) he hasn’t broken any laws, he would be out his job for starters if so.

But it raises massive flags about morality and probity in public life, given he has failed to provide disclosure for the period prior to 19-20, when he was an MP and a government minister. It also raises questions more widely about the ethics of wealth and its structural inequalities.

He more than likely hasn't broken any laws. No need. The laws favouring his ilk were arranged and set-up a few decades back.

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***Mibbes Aye*** · 23-03-2023 06:55 PM

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What a quaint notion.

Ah, come on now Ted. A prime minister who broke the law. Who would believe that?

**archie** · 23-03-2023 06:57 PM

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Ah, come on now Ted. A prime minister who broke the law. Who would believe that?

That would be an ecumenical matter...

**JeMeSouviens** · 23-03-2023 06:59 PM

These taxes are small, those ones are far away ...

**archie** · 23-03-2023 07:01 PM

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These taxes are small, those ones are far away ...

And the prize for today goes to...

***Mibbes Aye*** · 23-03-2023 07:05 PM

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He more than likely hasn't broken any laws. No need. The laws favouring his ilk were arranged and set-up a few decades back.

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Found it hard not to read that final sentence in a Clouseau accent

”His ilk”
”You mean his elk?”
”Yes, that’s what I said, his ilk”

**archie** · 23-03-2023 07:07 PM

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Found it hard not to read that final sentence in a Clouseau accent

”His ilk”
”You mean his elk?”
”Yes, that’s what I said, his ilk”

The committee appearance dropped a benumb. A beumb. No a etc. Etc.

***grunt*** · 23-03-2023 07:25 PM

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But it raises massive flags about morality and probity in public life, given he has failed to provide disclosure for the period prior to 19-20, when he was an MP and a government minister.

Why? There's no requirement on UK politicians to publish their tax returns.

***Ozyhibby*** · 23-03-2023 07:28 PM

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Why? There's no requirement on UK politicians to publish their tax returns.

To be fair, that’s not what they have done anyway. They have just published a summary each. Sturgeon published her return.

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***Mibbes Aye*** · 23-03-2023 08:58 PM

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Why? There's no requirement on UK politicians to publish their tax returns.

Given the lack of probity around your party’s financial affairs, I realise this may be uncharted territory for you

My personal belief is that if an MP, especially a minister, is paying taxes to a foreign government then it becomes a public interest matter.

***Kato*** · 23-03-2023 10:57 PM

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Given the lack of probity around your party’s financial affairs, I realise this may be uncharted territory for you

My personal belief is that if an MP, especially a minister, is paying taxes to a foreign government then it becomes a public interest matter.

Receiving money from a foreign govt, via proxy migrants, hasn't been a problem to anyone so far. Makes me think no one actually cares. If it involves £££millions it just flies right past people's eyes with hardly a shrug.

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***Ozyhibby*** · 24-03-2023 07:01 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cy-briefs-2017

Tories coining it in now.

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***Andy Bee*** · 24-03-2023 08:11 AM

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cy-briefs-2017

Tories coining it in now.

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They don't even try to hide it. Back in the Summer I passed a new bright red Rolls Royce convertible on the motorway, reg number "Javid" and it was the man himself with family cruising away, not a care in the world. I don't begrudge anyone doing well but have a wee bit humility please when you're in public office. That kind of decadence on show just screams look at me paupers.

***Hibbyradge*** · 24-03-2023 09:21 AM

https://twitter.com/Zero_4/status/16...6I8O8ZfLQ&s=19

***grunt*** · 24-03-2023 09:36 AM

**hibsbollah** · 24-03-2023 09:40 AM

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Sometimes satire works better than simple explanation

**JeMeSouviens** · 24-03-2023 10:01 AM

Liked this one too.

***Stairway 2 7*** · 24-03-2023 11:34 AM

A sobering thread on the increase of poverty since the tories got in power, 600,000 more kids in poverty than in 2012. If you vote tory not only are you a clown you are also complicit to the hunger and pain of those children

https://mobile.twitter.com/isabe1_ta...69642398937094

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Today’s poverty official statistics show that between April 2021 and March 2022, 14.4 million people were living in poverty in the UK. That figure includes 4.2 million children. These huge numbers were recorded even before the worst of the cost of living crisis hit

***Ozyhibby*** · 24-03-2023 11:44 AM

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A sobering thread on the increase of poverty since the tories got in power, 600,000 more kids in poverty than in 2012. If you vote tory not only are you a clown you are also complicit to the hunger and pain of those children

https://mobile.twitter.com/isabe1_ta...69642398937094

isabe1_tay1or
Today’s poverty official statistics show that between April 2021 and March 2022, 14.4 million people were living in poverty in the UK. That figure includes 4.2 million children. These huge numbers were recorded even before the worst of the cost of living crisis hit

NS was getting criticised yesterday for keeping those same figures steady in Scotland.

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***Kato*** · 24-03-2023 09:06 PM

Truss's disaster capitalist pals rewarded with peerages. An absolute gang.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/li...erages-2232637

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***cabbageandribs1875*** · 25-03-2023 11:44 AM

Scottish Tories left red-faced as media BANNED from Tory spring forum | The National

A SENIOR Scottish Tory who called the media ban at SNP hustings “disgraceful” has been left humiliated as the Conservatives block journalists from their own spring conference.

Craig Hoy, who serves as the Scottish Conservatives’ deputy chairman and sits in Holyrood as an MSP, slammed the SNP’s initial media ban from hustings last month as “cowardly”.

Now reporters have been banned from attending the Conservatives’ annual spring conference – with the party billing the event as being focused on “internal training”