SNP are lying b******s as well !

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We’ll done to the SG and councils. And we’ll done to the teachers in winning a good deal.


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The SG emerge with next to no credit. Somerville was beyond hopeless throughout. Little surprise when you appoint somebody whose continued presence at Holyrood owes considerably more to good fortune than ability. And that's not just me bashing the SNP. I've learned from experience within my own profession how hapless she is. I'll be amazed if she retains a ministerial post once a new leader is appointed. Yousef, I guess, might maintain an old pals act but really, no leader concerned with the good of education in Scotland should even consider her.

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The SG emerge with next to no credit. Somerville was beyond hopeless throughout. Little surprise when you appoint somebody whose continued presence at Holyrood owes considerably more to good fortune than ability. And that's not just me bashing the SNP. I've learned from experience within my own profession how hapless she is. I'll be amazed if she retains a ministerial post once a new leader is appointed. Yousef, I guess, might maintain an old pals act but really, no leader concerned with the good of education in Scotland should even consider her.

Am I right in saying the Transport Sec used to be a Teacher?

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The SG emerge with next to no credit. Somerville was beyond hopeless throughout. Little surprise when you appoint somebody whose continued presence at Holyrood owes considerably more to good fortune than ability. And that's not just me bashing the SNP. I've learned from experience within my own profession how hapless she is. I'll be amazed if she retains a ministerial post once a new leader is appointed. Yousef, I guess, might maintain an old pals act but really, no leader concerned with the good of education in Scotland should even consider her.

The SG have got a deal though and the teachers are back at school. That’s good.
Have the UK got a deal down south yet?


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The SG have got a deal though and the teachers are back at school. That’s good.
Have the UK got a deal down south yet?


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Remember Ozy, we're not supposed to compare Scotland with other countries.

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The SG have got a deal though and the teachers are back at school. That’s good.
Have the UK got a deal down south yet?


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oh some will be angry/disappointed a deal was reached, doesn't suit their anti-SNP agenda but, but, but

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The SG emerge with next to no credit. Somerville was beyond hopeless throughout. Little surprise when you appoint somebody whose continued presence at Holyrood owes considerably more to good fortune than ability. And that's not just me bashing the SNP. I've learned from experience within my own profession how hapless she is. I'll be amazed if she retains a ministerial post once a new leader is appointed. Yousef, I guess, might maintain an old pals act but really, no leader concerned with the good of education in Scotland should even consider her.

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It looks improbable that they already are in power but how does the SNP losing a councillor to the Lib Dems weaken whatever hold on power Labour does have?

The 3rd biggest party working to the budget of the 2nd biggest party and continuing to rely on their votes doesn't seem sustainable to me

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Am I right in saying the Transport Sec used to be a Teacher?

Yes I believe so. It might help, but it needn't be a pre-requisite for the role. Basic competence should be the starting point.

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oh some will be angry/disappointed a deal was reached, doesn't suit their anti-SNP agenda but, but, but

Glad a deal has been reached. Been too many days lost already (try re-adjusting the routine of a kid with severe ASN to a three-day school week...not the most fun). Just pointing out that the education secretary was exposed as clueless throughout the negotiations.

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Am I right in saying the Transport Sec used to be a Teacher?

Michael Matheson was an OT.

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Glad a deal has been reached. Been too many days lost already (try re-adjusting the routine of a kid with severe ASN to a three-day school week...not the most fun). Just pointing out that the education secretary was exposed as clueless throughout the negotiations.

I asked a while back what you thought the SG should do. Is this settlement what your answer would be?

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Michael Matheson was an OT.

I'll have a stab at it, guessing an Occupational Therapist??

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I'll have a stab at it, guessing an Occupational Therapist??

Sorry .

Yes, occupational therapist.

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EIS agree to accept pay award. 90% of members voted to accept.

Well done to the Teachers who stuck to their guns after the employers forced them out on strike when the money was there all along.
Join a Union.

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I asked a while back what you thought the SG should do. Is this settlement what your answer would be?

They should have abandoned their delaying tactics long ago. The unions were always prepared to compromise (although I see the NASUWT are still digging their heels in) but were rightly scornful of the pitiful offer made before industrial action became the only option - as well as the subsequent 'offers' dressed up as an improvement. Coming up with an acceptable offer should never have taken this long and Somerville's ineptitude has badly damaged relations between the SG and teaching unions. You won't find teachers celebrating the fact they've had to disrupt schooling for so long, which makes Somerville hailing this as a 'historic agreement' stick in the craw.

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They should have abandoned their delaying tactics long ago. The unions were always prepared to compromise (although I see the NASUWT are still digging their heels in) but were rightly scornful of the pitiful offer made before industrial action became the only option - as well as the subsequent 'offers' dressed up as an improvement. Coming up with an acceptable offer should never have taken this long and Somerville's ineptitude has badly damaged relations between the SG and teaching unions. You won't find teachers celebrating the fact they've had to disrupt schooling for so long, which makes Somerville hailing this as a 'historic agreement' stick in the craw.

The only reason Somerville and Robison are Ministers at all is due to their proximity to Sturgeon. Pretty much universally thought of as deeply useless throughout their departments and client groups.

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The only reason Somerville and Robison are Ministers at all is due to their proximity to Sturgeon. Pretty much universally thought of as deeply useless throughout their departments and client groups.

Robison...jeez, another who will be flying the flag for Yousef. Mind-boggling that she got back into government after her disastrous tenure as health secretary.

Somerville managed to retain high-profile roles at Holyrood for around 10 years despite failing (in humiliating fashion) to be elected as an MSP. She was appointed to the post of 'deputy chief executive', a post which never existed before and has not existed since - and you can only assume this came about because, as you say, of who she knew.

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Robison...jeez, another who will be flying the flag for Yousef. Mind-boggling that she got back into government after her disastrous tenure as health secretary.

Somerville managed to retain high-profile roles at Holyrood for around 10 years despite failing (in humiliating fashion) to be elected as an MSP. She was appointed to the post of 'deputy chief executive', a post which never existed before and has not existed since - and you can only assume this came about because, as you say, of who she knew.

Somerville stood in my constituency (Leith) in what must have been 2011. She was a bit unlucky in that she stood against a popular and competent local politician in Malcolm Chisholm and in truth there was no shame in losing to someone like him. The SNP were rising in popularity and success at that time and I remember speaking to folk within the party - they acknowledged that it was an odd situation that she didn't hold office considering many people they considered to be less able did.

She then worked on the 2014 referendum, once standing but coming second in a Labour stronghold (something that was once a thing pre-2014) before winning a seat at a time when we were into chimpanzee/ yellow rosette territory.


Could you please expand on her humiliating failure to be elected as an MSP? On what occasion was this, and what was particularly humiliating about it?

Do you find it all that unusual that someone might be employed in a role by the SNP during a referendum holding decade, with that role not being needed at other times?

Has there ever really been a "deputy chief executive" of the SNP? I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

Is there any factual basis for any of the opinions you state in your post?

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Robison...jeez, another who will be flying the flag for Yousef. Mind-boggling that she got back into government after her disastrous tenure as health secretary.

Somerville managed to retain high-profile roles at Holyrood for around 10 years despite failing (in humiliating fashion) to be elected as an MSP. She was appointed to the post of 'deputy chief executive', a post which never existed before and has not existed since - and you can only assume this came about because, as you say, of who she knew.

You seem annoyed a deal was reached

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You seem annoyed a deal was reached

I'm irritated that Somerville is claiming any credit for it for reasons I've explained above.

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Somerville stood in my constituency (Leith) in what must have been 2011. She was a bit unlucky in that she stood against a popular and competent local politician in Malcolm Chisholm and in truth there was no shame in losing to someone like him. The SNP were rising in popularity and success at that time and I remember speaking to folk within the party - they acknowledged that it was an odd situation that she didn't hold office considering many people they considered to be less able did.

She then worked on the 2014 referendum, once standing but coming second in a Labour stronghold (something that was once a thing pre-2014) before winning a seat at a time when we were into chimpanzee/ yellow rosette territory.


Could you please expand on her humiliating failure to be elected as an MSP? On what occasion was this, and what was particularly humiliating about it?

Do you find it all that unusual that someone might be employed in a role by the SNP during a referendum holding decade, with that role not being needed at other times?

Has there ever really been a "deputy chief executive" of the SNP? I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

Is there any factual basis for any of the opinions you state in your post?

I work within the City of Edinburgh Council's education department so let's just say opinions of her largely tally with what One Day Soon has to say about her in his post above.

As for her career path, this article saves me typing out its chronology:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/soapbo...visible-woman/

I know the source is notoriously anti-SNP these days but with a couple of exceptions, most of what's in there tallies with what's common knowledge within Scottish education.

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I work within the City of Edinburgh Council's education department so let's just say opinions of her largely tally with what One Day Soon has to say about her in his post above.

As for her career path, this article saves me typing out its chronology:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/soapbo...visible-woman/

I know the source is notoriously anti-SNP these days but with a couple of exceptions, most of what's in there tallies with what's common knowledge within Scottish education.

And yet there she is, the only education Secretary in the UK who has managed to get a deal to get teachers back to work. Amazing.


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And yet there she is, the only education Secretary in the UK who has managed to get a deal to get teachers back to work. Amazing.


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I really don’t get why the employer is being praised here. It’s the workers who deserve all the plaudits, they forced the employer in to giving them what they should have been offered in the first place.
Join a Union.

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I really don’t get why the employer is being praised here. It’s the workers who deserve all the plaudits, they forced the employer in to giving them what they should have been offered in the first place.
Join a Union.

Probably something to do with wanting more money or better working conditions being a lot easier than running a country.

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I really don’t get why the employer is being praised here. It’s the workers who deserve all the plaudits, they forced the employer in to giving them what they should have been offered in the first place.
Join a Union.

It's nothing more than bartering, if the government had tabled the offer that was excepted at the beginning then that would more than likely have been rejected. Both sides now seem happy with the deal and there's been movement on both sides, that's how successful negotiations work.

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Why not praise both unions and employers?

The only point of concern I might have is a very low increase next year has already been agreed.

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It's nothing more than bartering, if the government had tabled the offer that was excepted at the beginning then that would more than likely have been rejected. Both sides now seem happy with the deal and there's been movement on both sides, that's how successful negotiations work.

Very, very slow negotiations which further disrupted kids learning and resulted in workers taking a substancial financial hit with loss of earning on strike days in the midst of a cost of living crisis, a workforce that is critical to economic recovery.

Even the imposed pay deals appear to have been unsuccesful. Afaik civil servants in the SG will walk out next week in support of colleagues working in other departments right across the UK - happy to be corrected if this has changed.

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Very, very slow negotiations which further disrupted kids learning and resulted in workers taking a substancial financial hit with loss of earning on strike days in the midst of a cost of living crisis, a workforce that is critical to economic recovery.

Even the imposed pay deals appear to have been unsuccesful. Afaik civil servants in the SG will walk out next week in support of colleagues working in other departments right across the UK - happy to be corrected if this has changed.

Having conducted negotiations on behalf of a union, I would not describe these negotiations as particularly slow.

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Having conducted negotiations on behalf of a union, I would not describe these negotiations as particularly slow.

Having a daughter in her last year of school, weeks away from exams, having already missed a fair chunk of education along with hundreds of thousands of others, I would.

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It's nothing more than bartering, if the government had tabled the offer that was excepted at the beginning then that would more than likely have been rejected. Both sides now seem happy with the deal and there's been movement on both sides, that's how successful negotiations work.

Thanks for explaining how negotiation works, that a real eye opener.