SNP are lying b******s as well !

[marinello59]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The money wasn't there all along. It will be getting pulling from somewhere else in the immediate term. The SNP are likely anticipating an increase in the block grant not too long from now.

So if it’s being pulled from somewhere else the money is there.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

So if it’s being pulled from somewhere else the money is there.

It's there, but not where it once was. The joys of running a volatile economy on a fixed budget.

[He's here!]

Sturgeon sure left a mess behind her when it came to her more recent 'crusading' gender reform and environmental policies. Re the bottle deposit scheme, what happened to that old-fashioned thing called due diligence?

I note Forbes has pledged to scrap the scheme, along with the gender reform bill.

[He's here!]

[archie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It's there, but not where it once was. The joys of running a volatile economy on a fixed budget.

Scotland doesn't have a fixed budget.

[Smartie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Mind that time there was a smoking gun during the Salmond fiasco?

I've long since given up on "no smoke without fire".

[TrumpIsAPeado]

"Fraud cops"

They're already setting up their next narrative if the investigation turns up empty handed.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Scotland doesn't have a fixed budget.

Ok, a largely fixed budget if you want to be pedantic.

[archie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Ok, a largely fixed budget if you want to be pedantic.

It's not being pedantic to call out things that aren't true.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It's not being pedantic to call out things that aren't true.

You're tinkering around the edges of what is true. Clearly it's enough of a fixed budget to require annual under spends each and every year, which has been the case since the devolution of parliament in 1997. If you want to go down the devolved taxation route, that's fine. But we both know the impact this has on the overall spending budget is fractional.

[archie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

You're tinkering around the edges of what is true. Clearly it's enough of a fixed budget to require annual under spends each and every year, which has been the case since the devolution of parliament in 1997. If you want to go down the devolved taxation route, that's fine. But we both know the impact this has on the overall spending budget is fractional.

It is is true or it isn't. The Scottish Government does not have a fixed budget. By all means argue for wider tax raising powers, but you don't help your case by leading with things that aren't true.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It is is true or it isn't. The Scottish Government does not have a fixed budget. By all means argue for wider tax raising powers, but you don't help your case by leading with things that aren't true.

https://theferret.scot/claim-scottis...xed-half-true/

[archie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

https://theferret.scot/claim-scottis...xed-half-true/

From the article you cite:

However, the budget in Scotland can be altered each year by devolved and partially-devolved taxation, such as council tax and the Scottish rate of income tax. The Scottish Government has limited borrowing powers.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

From the article you cite:

However, the budget in Scotland can be altered each year by devolved and partially-devolved taxation, such as council tax and the Scottish rate of income tax. The Scottish Government has limited borrowing powers.

You said it was either true or not true. It's neither one extreme or the other.

Also from the article (just above the part you selectively quoted):

The largest part of Scotland’s budget – the block grant – is effectively fixed. The block grant is affected by changes to UK Government spending in England, which then filters through to the Scottish Government.

[archie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

You said it was either true or not true. It's neither one extreme or the other.

Also from the article (just above the part you selectively quoted):

The largest part of Scotland’s budget – the block grant – is effectively fixed. The block grant is affected by changes to UK Government spending in England, which then filters through to the Scottish Government.

I accept the scope for nuance, but you said it was fixed. Then you said it was pedantic to say it wasn't fixed. You then cite an article that says the claim the budget is fixed is only half true. And then complain when I highlight the bit of the article that demonstrates tax varying powers. Even the part you have highlighted qualifies the fixed statement by prefacing it with 'effectively '. I rest my case.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I accept the scope for nuance, but you said it was fixed. Then you said it was pedantic to say it wasn't fixed. You then cite an article that says the claim the budget is fixed is only half true. And then complain when I highlight the bit of the article that demonstrates tax varying powers. Even the part you have highlighted qualifies the fixed statement by prefacing it with 'effectively '. I rest my case.

You haven't though. You're simply saying it's untrue, which is in itself untrue.

The Barnett Formula provides Scotland with a fixed sum. What Scotland can reasonably raise through devolved taxation has it's limits and what Scotland can borrow on an annual basis is also limited by a fixed sum.

So yes, there's some minor leeway when it comes to devolved taxation, but there's ultimately a very limited ceiling when it comes to Scotland's annual budget. Compare that to Westminster itself which doesn't really have any ceiling at all. They can borrow on a need by basis without having to worry about hitting some imposed limit.

[archie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

You haven't though. You're simply saying it's untrue, which is in itself untrue.

The Barnett Formula provides Scotland with a fixed sum. What Scotland can reasonably raise through devolved taxation has it's limits and what Scotland can borrow on an annual basis is also limited by a fixed sum.

So yes, there's some minor leeway when it comes to devolved taxation, but there's ultimately a very limited ceiling when it comes to Scotland's annual budget. Compare that to Westminster itself which doesn't really have any ceiling at all. They can borrow on a need by basis without having to worry about hitting some imposed limit.

So not fixed.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

So not fixed.

Refer back to post #3998. We're not doing this again.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...scheme-4042378

Westminster to block deposit return scheme.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Berwickhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...scheme-4042378

Westminster to block deposit return scheme.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

To be fair, although the majority support recycling, however this ill thought out system is an absolute farce adding extra cost to the public at initial purchase during a credit crisis. The return to a centre which could be many miles away could be difficult for many, plus the added stupidity of things like if the can/tin is bashed or crushed it won’t be accepted. This needs to looked at again.

[WhileTheChief..]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

"Fraud cops"

They're already setting up their next narrative if the investigation turns up empty handed.

Aren't they just describing the cops that are looking into it? As in, they're cops that investigate frauds.

Fraud Squad used to be a regularly used term, would that be better?!!

I really don't see the issue here. I'd have thought the talking point would be the fact that there is an investigation and that the cops are involved, not the Daily Record's headline about it.

Maybe it will get discussed more in the coming days as we find out more.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

To be fair, although the majority support recycling, however this ill thought out system is an absolute farce adding extra cost to the public at initial purchase during a credit crisis. The return to a centre which could be many miles away could be difficult for many, plus the added stupidity of things like if the can/tin is bashed or crushed it won’t be accepted. This needs to looked at again.

It’s not a credit crisis.
And that’s not the point. The fact is that Westminster are once again blocking the Scottish parliament.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Berwickhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It’s not a credit crisis.
And that’s not the point. The fact is that Westminster are once again blocking the Scottish parliament.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Rather that than another useless piece of legislation that will effect many

[Stairway 2 7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It’s not a credit crisis.
And that’s not the point. The fact is that Westminster are once again blocking the Scottish parliament.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I didn't realise it wouldn't be currently legal due to the internal market act and they knew that. It's like they are choosing things they know aren't legal so they can be refused and score points.

We should be able to do it, but that's not the same. We should control our corporation tax but that's not devolved so if we change it we know it will be refused

[grunt]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I didn't realise it wouldn't be currently legal due to the internal market act and they knew that. It's like they are choosing things they know aren't legal so they can be refused and score points.

The Infernal Markets Act is a blatant attack on devolution and IMO the Scottish Government should breach it daily until we can have a judicial review and hopefully, have the damned thing repealed. Or just have independence.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I didn't realise it wouldn't be currently legal due to the internal market act and they knew that. It's like they are choosing things they know aren't legal so they can be refused and score points.

We should be able to do it, but that's not the same. We should control our corporation tax but that's not devolved so if we change it we know it will be refused

Wasn’t the deposit return scheme planned before the internal market act?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Santa Cruz]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Wasn’t the deposit return scheme planned before the internal market act?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No idea. Have the 3 candidates for FM not all stated they would pause this legislation anyway?

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

No idea. Have the 3 candidates for FM not all stated they would pause this legislation anyway?

Only for small business. It needs to happen though eventually. I guess we will just need to wait until England decides it wants to do it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Santa Cruz]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Only for small business. It needs to happen though eventually. I guess we will just need to wait until England decides it wants to do it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks, I'm trying to just pay attention to how it impacts consumers (me). Seems sensible to me to make it a UK wide roll out. Hopefully by that time inflation will have came down which would make this new policy more affordable and successful in achieving its aims.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...BCScotlandNews


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk