SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Where do the labour admin in Wales get away with it, they are getting slated. The one caveat is they get totally bumped by barnett in wales, Scotland gets thousands of pounds per person per year to spend more than the rest of the UK. It would take some effort to be worse with that extra money.

Think Wales have the highest % of elderly patients per capita in the UK and they didn't use the private sector as much to clear waiting lists but that might have changed.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...iness-64746726

Ferguson Marine set to cease trading? Hard to believe the ferries fiasco could get any worse.

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It badly needs changed due to old population figures but no one wants to touch it. The last year given there England got 9,296 to spend per head on public services Scotland 11,242 wales 10,656

So I see. It's discussed further down the page. At high school, they said it was due to population density, which would seem fair, and I bought it. However, there appears to be no mention of that. Those terrible pre-internet times when you had to listen to school teachers.

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So looking round the UK, it looks like the SNP run the best health service. We’ll done Humza.


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the man is making an absolute arse of it…. As much as it pains to say NS wiped the floor with him when she was Health Secretary

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So I see. It's discussed further down the page. At high school, they said it was due to population density, which would seem fair, and I bought it. However, there appears to be no mention of that. Those terrible pre-internet times when you had to listen to school teachers.

It's due to population changing at different rates from when the calculations were made. No one wants to touch it politically thankfully

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the man is making an absolute arse of it…. As much as it pains to say NS wiped the floor with him when she was Health Secretary

No, Nicola Sturgeon simply had it easier as health secretary as the UK hadn't yet shot itself in the foot. Hence why NHS services are now an utter disgrace across the whole of the UK.

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It's due to population changing at different rates from when the calculations were made. No one wants to touch it politically thankfully

So I see. The point I was making refers to the lies that school teachers tell you. Believe it or not, I had never actually read about how it is calculated, though the UK's fiscal arrangements are rarely on my mind.

What is interesting on the Wiki page is the part about withheld spending. Although it lacks citations, due probably to the difficulty in finding accurate data, there is some dubiety in the argument that it really benefits the whole of the UK and so the public expenditure per person may not be so different. If I really cared, I suppose some simple arithmetic would give me an answer.

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No, Nicola Sturgeon simply had it easier as health secretary as the UK hadn't yet shot itself in the foot. Hence why NHS services are now an utter disgrace across the whole of the UK.

Think you will find that Holyrood was in charge of Scotland’s NHS …but let’s blame the UK for the Scottish Government’s incompetence

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Think you will find that Holyrood was in charge of Scotland’s NHS …but let’s blame the UK for the Scottish Government’s incompetence

Think you will find that you've missed the point.

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Think you will find that Holyrood was in charge of Scotland’s NHS …but let’s blame the UK for the Scottish Government’s incompetence

They may be in charge of the NHS in Scotland. But that doesn't put them in charge of every factor that negatively impacts it. As i'm sure you full well know.

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Last I checked, my minimum wage was the same as anybodies minimum wage across the UK. My National Insurance is the same. My electricity, gas and food bills certainly aren't any cheaper and the minor variations in things like income tax and council tax ultimately balance themselves out. I don't claim any prescriptions and I'm not a college student.

Unless i'm receiving an envelope in the post each year containing thousands of pounds with "union dividend" printed on it, it evidently doesn't apply to me and the vast majority of people living in Scotland.

Scientific that ha. I don't get free education or childcare so it doesn't count brilliant

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Scientific that ha. I don't get free education or childcare so it doesn't count brilliant

So where do you think my union dividend is coming from then? Where is this stealth money that's making my life any easier than somebody in England, Wales or Northern Ireland?

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So where do you think my union dividend is coming from then? Where is this stealth money that's making my life any easier than somebody in England, Wales or Northern Ireland?

This is unreal stuff 😆, You think the snp work their budget around you personally. My bairn gets childcare she wouldn't get in England and its brilliant. Props go to the SNP for great choices with the budget to be fair, like the free tuition

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This is unreal stuff 😆, You think the snp work their budget around you personally. My bairn gets childcare she wouldn't get in England and its brilliant. Props go to the SNP for great choices with the budget to be fair, like the free tuition

Kind of destroys the "per person" argument don't you think?

I'm really happy for you, but it doesn't benefit me in any meaningful way.

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So where do you think my union dividend is coming from then? Where is this stealth money that's making my life any easier than somebody in England, Wales or Northern Ireland?

There sounds like you are saying that for you there is no such thing as society.

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Kind of destroys the "per person" argument don't you think?

I'm really happy for you, but it doesn't benefit me in any meaningful way.

Yep you not getting anything knackers the statistical average for Scotland

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Yep you not getting anything knackers the statistical average for Scotland

So why do they say "per person" rather than on average?

The next time somebody tells me I should be grateful for my extra 2k or whatever it is, i'll be expecting it in the post.

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Kind of destroys the "per person" argument don't you think?

I'm really happy for you, but it doesn't benefit me in any meaningful way.

Your free prescriptions, your free tuition if you want it, free expanded childcare if you use it, free laptops for your kids, free eye tests and so on.

Devolution is working!

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Your free prescriptions, your free tuition if you want it, free expanded childcare if you use it, free laptops for your kids, free eye tests and so on.

Devolution is working!

I don't claim any prescriptions and never had any issues with my sight. I could never afford to drop my work and go to college even with free tuition and I don't have any children.

So perhaps we can finally put to bed the falsified claim that "every person" in Scotland is thousands of pounds better off. Because that's clearly not how things work.

By the way, I'm not complaining about not getting anything out of it. It's the false statement itself that annoys me.

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It badly needs changed due to old population figures but no one wants to touch it. The last year given there England got 9,296 to spend per head on public services Scotland 11,242 wales 10,656

It uses the latest mid year population estimate from the ONS as part of the model, in England and Wales these are based on 2021 census data. So, I'm not sure that aged population data is that accurate.

Population share is only one of the measures they use, the other factor is then comparability index of each of areas where governance is devolved. The budget is calculated as a factor of population X comparability %

Wales gets exactly the same comparability % as Scotland, 99.5% of English value.

Where Wales get truly shafted is in transport, they only get 36.6% to our 91.7%, that said more of their transport may not be devolved.





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Where Wales get truly shafted is in transport, they only get 36.6% to our 91.7%, that said more of their transport may not be devolved.

Transport is indeed only partially devolved in Wales, while being fully devolved in Scotland.

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That's because transport is only partially devolved in Wales, while being fully devolved in Scotland.

See, my edit that I had forgot to put in.

If health is fully devolved then how come the figure is 99.5%, normally wouldn't argue over a half percent but I bet it's quite a chunky number

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See, my edit that I had forgot to put in.

If health is fully devolved then how come the figure is 99.5%, normally wouldn't argue over a half percent but I bet it's quite a chunky number

See my edit to your edit.

Health Services in Wales are described as being "almost fully devolved". So there must be some minor aspects that are not.

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See my edit to your edit.

Health Services in Wales are described as being "almost fully devolved". So there must be some minor aspects that are not.

This guide is pretty good

https://researchbriefings.files.parl...6/CBP-7386.pdf

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Transport is indeed only partially devolved in Wales, while being fully devolved in Scotland.

As I'm now a specialist on the topic, the Welsh say they get 0% of HS2, so it's possible to conclude they're screwed over on that.

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As I'm now a specialist on the topic, the Welsh say they get 0% of HS2, so it's possible to conclude they're screwed over on that.

Yes, but we say that as well. Although it's not strictly true. We have received a share of HS2 spending. However the share that we have received hasn't kept up with the growing costs of the project.

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As I'm now a specialist on the topic, the Welsh say they get 0% of HS2, so it's possible to conclude they're screwed over on that.

Definitely we get £10 billion to spend on what we want, they get nothing as it's shockingly seen as an England and Wales project, we got a huge amount for crossrail too.

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Last I checked, my minimum wage was the same as anybodies minimum wage across the UK. My National Insurance is the same. My electricity, gas and food bills certainly aren't any cheaper and the minor variations in things like income tax and council tax ultimately balance themselves out. I don't claim any prescriptions and I'm not a college student.

Unless i'm receiving an envelope in the post each year containing thousands of pounds with "union dividend" printed on it, it evidently doesn't apply to me and the vast majority of people living in Scotland.

none of that is what was said.

Saying you don’t claim prescriptions doesn’t mean anything, you probably will at some point. Presumably you do avail yourself of the nhs on occasion? At least part of the reason the nhs in Scotland is “better” than other uk nations is becuase of the additional funding you claim you don’t see any benefit from

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Definitely we get £10 billion to spend on what we want, they get nothing as it's shockingly seen as an England and Wales project, we got a huge amount for crossrail too.

It's a little more complicated than that. As was mentioned a few posts back, transport isn't fully devolved in Wales and this includes the National Rail Service which is reserved to Westminster, meaning no direct Barnett Consequential's to Wales as a result. Wales has however received increased funding indirectly as a result of the project towards the Department for Transport budget.

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none of that is what was said.

Saying you don’t claim prescriptions doesn’t mean anything, you probably will at some point. Presumably you do avail yourself of the nhs on occasion? At least part of the reason the nhs in Scotland is “better” than other uk nations is becuase of the additional funding you claim you don’t see any benefit from

"Per person" is what was said and continues to be said, despite being misleading at best. Scotland also has more of an ageing population which is due in part to migration towards Scotland by residents across other parts of the UK who choose Scotland as their retirement location, which inevitably puts more pressure on the Scottish NHS, requiring a higher level of funding overall for our population share.