SNP are lying b******s as well !

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In order to earn your favour now what should these people have done to not take advantage of those conditions when it was working in their favour?

I don't have a problem with people taking advantage of economic conditions when they're in their favour, just don't expect me to have any sympathy for them when they're not.

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It's easy to criticise without giving a better solution. But if council tax is staying, what would you do as a council if you are facing massive cuts and the only way to get money is council tax increases.

It just looks like a casual disregard of the issue, hence my response.

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It just looks like a casual disregard of the issue, hence my response.

But if there is no better ideas put forward then what?

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But if there is no better ideas put forward then what?

Well firstly, you have to define 'better'. My preference is a local income tax, but that would partly return us to the issues of the poll tax. I just don't see any other system that is genuinely progressive. But it would be hugely controversial, which is why all politicians have dodged it. We haven't even had a revaluation because it's so toxic.

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Well firstly, you have to define 'better'. My preference is a local income tax, but that would partly return us to the issues of the poll tax. I just don't see any other system that is genuinely progressive. But it would be hugely controversial, which is why all politicians have dodged it. We haven't even had a revaluation because it's so toxic.

Indeed but as a council what would you do now. Council tax isn't being scrapped and your budget is decimated, its inevitable council tax has to rise, but how is the question

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Indeed but as a council what would you do now. Council tax isn't being scrapped and your budget is decimated, its inevitable council tax has to rise, but how is the question

TBH I think the flat percentage that does generate higher cash increases for higher band tax payers is probably the least bad option

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Ok boomer

I've never owned my own home to have the opportunity of managing it. I must not be working hard enough in my minimum wage jobs. I'm sure if I just work harder my generous employers who aren't looking at the profit margins will happily hike up my wages.

Oh wait, no. It's not the 60s.

I'm slightly younger than you and I had to buy a tiny, depressing flat in Inverkeithing (no slight on any IVK based readers...) just to get on the ladder. It was a 5k deposit on the help to buy scheme which I think is still running.

I'm not aware of your personal circumstances so not sure if 5k is achievable but it can still be done.

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Well firstly, you have to define 'better'. My preference is a local income tax, but that would partly return us to the issues of the poll tax. I just don't see any other system that is genuinely progressive. But it would be hugely controversial, which is why all politicians have dodged it. We haven't even had a revaluation because it's so toxic.

The problem with a local income tax is that you then don’t have any property tax?


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The problem with a local income tax is that you then don’t have any property tax?


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In what way is that a problem?

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Deal with nurses in England in the offing. The Barnett consequentials might help us get a deal with the teachers.


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You're making out that I take issue with anybody who owns a home, which simply isn't the case. I just have no sympathy for people who are relatively high up on the housing ladder who are hard up for cash, while sitting on an asset more valuable than many people can ever dream of having.

They may have no control over the conditions, but they were happy to take advantage of those conditions when it was working in their favour.

just calling it as you’re presenting it

what about people who aren’t relatively high up on the housing ladder, working class people with low ish paying jobs who own their home? They don’t own anything more valuable than most can ever dream of having, where do they sit on your scale of no sympathy/tell them to sell up?

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It's easy to criticise without giving a better solution. But if council tax is staying, what would you do as a council if you are facing massive cuts and the only way to get money is council tax increases.

Maybe they shouldn’t have sold that half million quids worth of land to their Jambo pals for £1.

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just calling it as you’re presenting it

what about people who aren’t relatively high up on the housing ladder, working class people with low ish paying jobs who own their home? They don’t own anything more valuable than most can ever dream of having, where do they sit on your scale of no sympathy/tell them to sell up?

I'm not sure why you're taking this personally. It's just how I feel about it. I'm not telling anybody else how they should feel about it. I don't feel sympathy for people who have it better than I do and will still have it better, even if they have to downsize in some way. That's just the way I am.

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I'm not sure why you're taking this personally. It's just how I feel about it. I'm not telling anybody else how they should feel about it. I don't feel sympathy for people who have it better than I do and will still have it better, even if they have to downsize in some way. That's just the way I am.

I don't come from a wealthy family, I'm probably a typical Edinburgh born laddie who's family were working class, but not on or close to the breadline. We didn't drive fancy cars and couldn't afford to go on holiday every year, but we got by absolutely fine and lived reasonably comfortable.

I saved for years and then bought a home with my ex wife, which now that we are seperated,allowed me to purchase my own flat in Edinburgh.

I don't consider myself well off at all, society is setup for couples to flourish financially except the solo home owner who is very well off.

I've not taken advantage of anything and worked hard to own my, relatively small, flat.

I accept that as a single person it's very hard to get on the ladder in Edinburgh. For a lot of people, getting into a relationship and then splitting the costs of mortgage, bills ect is the most cost effective solution, but of course that doesn't suit everyone.

I've no idea what the solution is, but one thing I'm fairly certain of is that it isn't getting any better for a long time.

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6th in a row for no. Perhaps Thankfully won't be a question to answer any time soon


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I don't come from a wealthy family, I'm probably a typical Edinburgh born laddie who's family were working class, but not on or close to the breadline. We didn't drive fancy cars and couldn't afford to go on holiday every year, but we got by absolutely fine and lived reasonably comfortable.

I saved for years and then bought a home with my ex wife, which now that we are seperated,allowed me to purchase my own flat in Edinburgh.

I don't consider myself well off at all, society is setup for couples to flourish financially except the solo home owner who is very well off.

I've not taken advantage of anything and worked hard to own my, relatively small, flat.

I accept that as a single person it's very hard to get on the ladder in Edinburgh. For a lot of people, getting into a relationship and then splitting the costs of mortgage, bills ect is the most cost effective solution, but of course that doesn't suit everyone.

I've no idea what the solution is, but one thing I'm fairly certain of is that it isn't getting any better for a long time.

Some very good points made here. I was lucky in that when I was a lad I got a 100% staff mortgage and bought my own place when I had no savings. My future wife had done similar and when we got together this helped us to get a bigger place.

Now I look at my children. One has a flat bought with a partner and they had significant savings to make that possible. One is single and earns/saves good money but will be many years before they have enough money to make a purchase possible. Unless they find a partner and are ready for a commitment.

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I'm not sure why you're taking this personally. It's just how I feel about it. I'm not telling anybody else how they should feel about it. I don't feel sympathy for people who have it better than I do and will still have it better, even if they have to downsize in some way. That's just the way I am.

that’s fair enough. One could wonder why you appear to be taking it personally, which is what comes across, particularly in your earlier posts on this topic. You’ve said you hoped to buy a home until the financial crash of 2008 made you feel that was unattainable, you now appear to be angry at anyone who has been able to purchase a home.

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I don't come from a wealthy family, I'm probably a typical Edinburgh born laddie who's family were working class, but not on or close to the breadline. We didn't drive fancy cars and couldn't afford to go on holiday every year, but we got by absolutely fine and lived reasonably comfortable.

I saved for years and then bought a home with my ex wife, which now that we are seperated,allowed me to purchase my own flat in Edinburgh.

I don't consider myself well off at all, society is setup for couples to flourish financially except the solo home owner who is very well off.

I've not taken advantage of anything and worked hard to own my, relatively small, flat.

I accept that as a single person it's very hard to get on the ladder in Edinburgh. For a lot of people, getting into a relationship and then splitting the costs of mortgage, bills ect is the most cost effective solution, but of course that doesn't suit everyone.

I've no idea what the solution is, but one thing I'm fairly certain of is that it isn't getting any better for a long time.

exactly, and a very similar story for most of the home owners across the city and the country. Not someone who has a property worth millions, or sitting on a huge pension.

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that’s fair enough. One could wonder why you appear to be taking it personally, which is what comes across, particularly in your earlier posts on this topic. You’ve said you hoped to buy a home until the financial crash of 2008 made you feel that was unattainable, you now appear to be angry at anyone who has been able to purchase a home.

2008 would make the poster around 16/17/18 when the financial crash happened.

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2008 would make the poster around 16/17/18 when the financial crash happened.

I'm aware. They said they had a dream/hope/desire to own a home but felt that after the financial crash in 2008 that was no longer attainable

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What a mess Yousaf is making of the NHS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64742924


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What a mess Yousaf is making of the NHS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64742924


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It's interesting how Labour in Wales get's away with blaming the tories at Westminster for the horrendous performance of the NHS in Wales (worst in the UK), but in Scotland, it's all that Yousaf's fault for overseeing the least worst out of the lot.

I don't think he should be anywhere near the SNP leadership role. But the blame he's taken for the impact of things that were clearly well out of his own hands is beyond ridiculous at times.

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It's interesting how Labour in Wales get's away with blaming the tories at Westminster for the horrendous performance of the NHS in Wales (worst in the UK), but in Scotland, it's all that Yousaf's fault for overseeing the least worst out of the lot.

I don't think he should be anywhere near the SNP leadership role. But the blame he's taken for the impact of things that were clearly well out of his own hands is beyond ridiculous at times.

Where do the labour admin in Wales get away with it, they are getting slated. The one caveat is they get totally bumped by barnett in wales, Scotland gets thousands of pounds per person per year to spend more than the rest of the UK. It would take some effort to be worse with that extra money.

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Where do the labour admin in Wales get away with it, they are getting slated. The one caveat is they get totally bumped by barnett in wales, Scotland gets thousands of pounds per person per year to spend more than the rest of the UK. It would take some effort to be worse with that extra money.

I may be using incorrect information, but Barnett seems to be applied equally to Scotland and Wales when discussing health spending:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula

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Scotland gets thousands of pounds per person per year to spend more than the rest of the UK.

That's not quite how it works. But it makes a nice pro-union headline for sure.

I'm not thousands of pounds better off than my class counterparts in England, Wales or Northern Ireland.

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So looking round the UK, it looks like the SNP run the best health service. We’ll done Humza.


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I may be using incorrect information, but Barnett seems to be applied equally to Scotland and Wales when discussing health spending:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula

It badly needs changed due to old population figures but no one wants to touch it. The last year given there England got 9,296 to spend per head on public services Scotland 11,242 wales 10,656

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That's not quite how it works. But it makes a nice pro-union headline for sure.

I'm not thousands of pounds better off than my class counterparts in England, Wales or Northern Ireland.

It does. I'm pro independence and reluctantly vote snp as a means, probably will even if the public school nitwit gets the job, but I also don't feverishly defend our neolib establishment party at Holyrood

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Where do the labour admin in Wales get away with it, they are getting slated. The one caveat is they get totally bumped by barnett in wales, Scotland gets thousands of pounds per person per year to spend more than the rest of the UK. It would take some effort to be worse with that extra money.

Why does Scotland get thousands of pounds per person per year to spend more than the rest of the UK?

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It does. I'm pro independence and reluctantly vote snp as a means, probably will even if the public school nitwit gets the job, but I also don't feverishly defend our neolib establishment party at Holyrood

Last I checked, my minimum wage was the same as anybodies minimum wage across the UK. My National Insurance is the same. My electricity, gas and food bills certainly aren't any cheaper and the minor variations in things like income tax and council tax ultimately balance themselves out. I don't claim any prescriptions and I'm not a college student.

Unless i'm receiving an envelope in the post each year containing thousands of pounds with "union dividend" printed on it, it evidently doesn't apply to me and the vast majority of people living in Scotland.

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Why does Scotland get thousands of pounds per person per year to spend more than the rest of the UK?

It doesn’t. It gets a few hundred more than Wales and a few hundred less than the north of Ireland.
It get more than England because the population of England has grown massively over the last thirty years and everyone is too afraid to change the calculation.


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