Hibs Women

[Glory Lurker]

Mon the Spartans and the Hibs

[Brightside]

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The top league is turning like the men’s set up..all about money.

Rangers / Celtic and Glasgow City title challengers.

Hearts and Hibs pay more hence 4th and 5th.

The rest are all pretty average and obviously Glasgow Women struggling.

Aberdeen should be doing better. Plus the SWPL
Only has 1 relegation shop so basically closed shop (yeah teams below aren’t ready for move up yet ).

The top teams don’t need help it’s the other clubs that do or you will just get the exact same issues as men’s game - teams moaning their isn’t any competition.

Even at younger ages teams are hoovering up young talent then moaning there is no competition ! You would think the coaches at clubs like Hearts would actually want to do some coaching. Hearts are linked to Oriam like I said before and it’s where the SFA offices are so it’s all a little cozy with several Hearts players in national youth teams - with some national coaches with close links to Hearts set up - basically conflict of interest.

Aberdeens investment is minimal. They get some good youth as they have a big catchment. Once you get past heart and hibs the investment is next to nothing and survives on sponsorships and donations.

On the hearts side I don’t see any indication of them getting more players into the national setup. Their 16s team is probably the best in the country but that mainly due to keeping the girls into their age group rather than pushing up a year like most do. The 3 Glasgow teams have the best 18s teams. But the overall performance level at 18s has gone backwards in the last few years. For me that’s due to their being far too many teams which dilutes the talent. There should be no more than 6 18s Performance teams in Scotland. That still requires 120 top players at that age group. The idea that we can have 16 teams at that level is madness.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Aberdeens investment is minimal. They get some good youth as they have a big catchment. Once you get past heart and hibs the investment is next to nothing and survives on sponsorships and donations.

On the hearts side I don’t see any indication of them getting more players into the national setup. Their 16s team is probably the best in the country but that mainly due to keeping the girls into their age group rather than pushing up a year like most do. The 3 Glasgow teams have the best 18s teams. But the overall performance level at 18s has gone backwards in the last few years. For me that’s due to their being far too many teams which dilutes the talent. There should be no more than 6 18s Performance teams in Scotland. That still requires 120 top players at that age group. The idea that we can have 16 teams at that level is madness.

Down the age groups is getting heavy with teams too - Hutchie and Motherwell get pumped most weeks and Spartans and Boroughmuir are also creating performance teams for the upcoming season with rumours Musselburgh are too. Far too many - there’s just not enough talent for that and why teams are taking heavy beatings regularly.

Hibs have been keeping players at their age group (14s) and they’re strolling to the league, however I’m not convinced on the development that gives the girls.

[GreenCastle]

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Aberdeens investment is minimal. They get some good youth as they have a big catchment. Once you get past heart and hibs the investment is next to nothing and survives on sponsorships and donations.

On the hearts side I don’t see any indication of them getting more players into the national setup. Their 16s team is probably the best in the country but that mainly due to keeping the girls into their age group rather than pushing up a year like most do. The 3 Glasgow teams have the best 18s teams. But the overall performance level at 18s has gone backwards in the last few years. For me that’s due to their being far too many teams which dilutes the talent. There should be no more than 6 18s Performance teams in Scotland. That still requires 120 top players at that age group. The idea that we can have 16 teams at that level is madness.

A 6 team league ?? Does Scotland not need to improve the lower teams? Becoming elitist focusing on a few clubs will do nothing for long term development.

Hibs wouldn’t get into the top 6 in 18s or 16s just now. So where would they go?

Clubs like Hutchie Vale probably should be in the league but don’t think it’s right to write off some other clubs who seem to coach and develop players.

To many clubs seem to want to recruit players and have far too many players. Spartans are really bad for this at youth girls level - promise players game time and just ruin their development. Think parents are starting to see through this.

[hibby rae]

With the derby next week Smally being stretchered off is a massive pisser

[Brightside]

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A 6 team league ?? Does Scotland not need to improve the lower teams? Becoming elitist focusing on a few clubs will do nothing for long term development.

Hibs wouldn’t get into the top 6 in 18s or 16s just now. So where would they go?

Clubs like Hutchie Vale probably should be in the league but don’t think it’s right to write off some other clubs who seem to coach and develop players.

To many clubs seem to want to recruit players and have far too many players. Spartans are really bad for this at youth girls level - promise players game time and just ruin their development. Think parents are starting to see through this.

There is a need to ignore the club structure at youth level in order to develop elite players. It doesn’t matter which club is the elite one at 18s as the best players will then move to a senior club that matches their ability. Clubs are just creating elite teams for the sake of it. (And to try and bring some cash in).

Plenty recent example of the pathway working at Spartans but again it’s probably less now as the 16s and 18s aren’t as good. Far too many players in all the teams just aren’t good enough for elite football. But greed and FOMO gets in the way of elite development.

[Brightside]

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With the derby next week Smally being stretchered off is a massive pisser

0-0 after 20 mins is a shocker.

[hibby rae]

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0-0 after 20 mins is a shocker.

Aye this should have been put to bed by now.

[GreenCastle]

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There is a need to ignore the club structure at youth level in order to develop elite players. It doesn’t matter which club is the elite one at 18s as the best players will then move to a senior club that matches their ability. Clubs are just creating elite teams for the sake of it. (And to try and bring some cash in).

Plenty recent example of the pathway working at Spartans but again it’s probably less now as the 16s and 18s aren’t as good. Far too many players in all the teams just aren’t good enough for elite football. But greed and FOMO gets in the way of elite development.

Thing is though even the Rangers youth aren’t exactly elite - Scotland u17s couldn’t even beat Greece over 2 games during the week.

Putting Hibs u18s and u16s into regional just isn’t the way forward.

It’s embarrassing how Hibs u18 girls are bottom of the league. How can there be such a gap to the 1st team?!!

I’m not sure the Spartans pathway is good - all the 1st team players are usually players released from other clubs. They rarely develop a player who loves up and plays as it’s too big a jump.

[PHeffernan]

Losing Rachael Boyle could be very costly to our season.

A great effort by East Fife to hold out until the 45th minute.

[Brightside]

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Thing is though even the Rangers youth aren’t exactly elite - Scotland u17s couldn’t even beat Greece over 2 games during the week.

Putting Hibs u18s and u16s into regional just isn’t the way forward.

It’s embarrassing how Hibs u18 girls are bottom of the league. How can there be such a gap to the 1st team?!!

I’m not sure the Spartans pathway is good - all the 1st team players are usually players released from other clubs. They rarely develop a player who loves up and plays as it’s too big a jump.

The good Rangers youth are already in the first team or released and playing for Spartans and others. Watson, McLeary, McLean are 3 of the best players in the country and are all under 18. They all moved up early as the 18s level is so poor. So yes all 18s should be regional/development until they are actually good enough to play at an elite level…..that is what is stunting their development right. They play against poor teams most weeks. Forget about a league. Get 6 regional teams playing each other. At any point that can go and sign for a senior team, but in theory they get 2 years of top class games.

3 or 4 18s at Spartans get moved up every year. Unfortunately they are deemed not good enough and move on to other teams lower down the leagues. But at least 6 of the current team are long term players from youth level. It’s the same issue at all the teams now. Not enough players coming though that are good enough for the top level.

[GreenCastle]

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The good Rangers youth are already in the first team or released and playing for Spartans and others. Watson, McLeary, McLean are 3 of the best players in the country and are all under 18. They all moved up early as the 18s level is so poor. So yes all 18s should be regional/development until they are actually good enough to play at an elite level…..that is what is stunting their development right. They play against poor teams most weeks. Forget about a league. Get 6 regional teams playing each other. At any point that can go and sign for a senior team, but in theory they get 2 years of top class games.

3 or 4 18s at Spartans get moved up every year. Unfortunately they are deemed not good enough and move on to other teams lower down the leagues. But at least 6 of the current team are long term players from youth level. It’s the same issue at all the teams now. Not enough players coming though that are good enough for the top level.

I just looked on Twitter at the last Spartans line up - which are the youth players you talk about ? Lots of Spartans players are ex Hibs!

The 3 Rangers players you mention are decent but surely Rangers u18s should be better ? My point is these top clubs are improving 1st team but not doing much for youth development / coaching and improving players and that includes Hibs. Hearts supposedly beat Hibs u18 today - 17-0 ?! Surely not ?

[Danderhall Hibs]

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I just looked on Twitter at the last Spartans line up - which are the youth players you talk about ? Lots of Spartans players are ex Hibs!

The 3 Rangers players you mention are decent but surely Rangers u18s should be better ? My point is these top clubs are improving 1st team but not doing much for youth development / coaching and improving players and that includes Hibs. Hearts supposedly beat Hibs u18 today - 17-0 ?! Surely not ?

Recorded as 9-0 on twitter?

[Brightside]

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I just looked on Twitter at the last Spartans line up - which are the youth players you talk about ? Lots of Spartans players are ex Hibs!

The 3 Rangers players you mention are decent but surely Rangers u18s should be better ? My point is these top clubs are improving 1st team but not doing much for youth development / coaching and improving players and that includes Hibs. Hearts supposedly beat Hibs u18 today - 17-0 ?! Surely not ?

Sounds like we are in agreement tbh. Why do Hibs even have a group in that league as they simply don’t have the players at the age group. There aren’t enough players in Scotland to have so many teams. But every team is desperate to have a “Performance” squad. It need to be stopped or you just end up with loads of bang average team and nobody improving.

[blackpoolhibs]

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I just looked on Twitter at the last Spartans line up - which are the youth players you talk about ? Lots of Spartans players are ex Hibs!

The 3 Rangers players you mention are decent but surely Rangers u18s should be better ? My point is these top clubs are improving 1st team but not doing much for youth development / coaching and improving players and that includes Hibs. Hearts supposedly beat Hibs u18 today - 17-0 ?! Surely not ?

FFS What is the point?

[GreenCastle]

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Recorded as 9-0 on twitter?

They put 9-0 when the score is over 9-0 not to embarrass the club.

Check Hutchie Vale results often 9-0 but many have been about 20-0.

[GreenCastle]

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Sounds like we are in agreement tbh. Why do Hibs even have a group in that league as they simply don’t have the players at the age group. There aren’t enough players in Scotland to have so many teams. But every team is desperate to have a “Performance” squad. It need to be stopped or you just end up with loads of bang average team and nobody improving.

I do agree - some teams like Hutchy Vale would get beat off regional teams.

I think ambitious clubs should be rewarded or some sort of criteria put in place to improve standards - this may already be the case ?

Like the men’s game - too many clubs - not enough solid clubs. Womens game just seems to be about increasing numbers but really should be about building solid foundations at clubs.

[Brightside]

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I do agree - some teams like Hutchy Vale would get beat off regional teams.

I think ambitious clubs should be rewarded or some sort of criteria put in place to improve standards - this may already be the case ?

Like the men’s game - too many clubs - not enough solid clubs. Womens game just seems to be about increasing numbers but really should be about building solid foundations at clubs.

Performance teams are supposed to have a B level coach. Which is madness tbh as it doesn’t change the fact that there aren’t enough players to go round.

[wallpaperman]

My understanding is that the Hibs under 18 NAP team has been decimated by a number of long term injuries in the last year, and players leaving.

They now have a lot of players playing up from where they should be age wise, it may stand the really talented ones in good stead long term, but it must be a bit soul destroying at the moment. For example the girl playing in goals for the under 18’s could be playing down two levels, she is a real prospect and an excellent keeper, hope she keeps her head up.

The under 16’s NAP are middle of the pack (possibly as they have players playing at under 18), yet the under 14’s are fantastic, unbeaten and clear at the top of the table.

[LewysGot2]

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The good Rangers youth are already in the first team or released and playing for Spartans and others. Watson, McLeary, McLean are 3 of the best players in the country and are all under 18. They all moved up early as the 18s level is so poor. So yes all 18s should be regional/development until they are actually good enough to play at an elite level…..that is what is stunting their development right. They play against poor teams most weeks. Forget about a league. Get 6 regional teams playing each other. At any point that can go and sign for a senior team, but in theory they get 2 years of top class games.

3 or 4 18s at Spartans get moved up every year. Unfortunately they are deemed not good enough and move on to other teams lower down the leagues. But at least 6 of the current team are long term players from youth level. It’s the same issue at all the teams now. Not enough players coming though that are good enough for the top level.

Emma Watson got a full time professional contract aged 16 at Rangers. Left Keith Wrights SFA Academy school where she’d trained alongside the likes of McIntyre brothers and Harry Wright, Rudi Molotnikov iirc. Sad for the Edinburgh set ups that an Edinburgh kid already scooped up by the Uglies and won’t look back. She’s going to go far…possibly Kim Little far.

[Brightside]

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Emma Watson got a full time professional contract aged 16 at Rangers. Left Keith Wrights SFA Academy school where she’d trained alongside the likes of McIntyre brothers and Harry Wright, Rudi Molotnikov iirc. Sad for the Edinburgh set ups that an Edinburgh kid already scooped up by the Uglies and won’t look back. She’s going to go far…possibly Kim Little far.

I know her well and coached her for a few years at Lochend. She’s still at school. She’s been at Rangers for a long time now. Maclean for me is the best young prospect in the country but both will probably move down south in the next few years.

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I know her well and coached her for a few years at Lochend. She’s still at school. She’s been at Rangers for a long time now. Maclean for me is the best young prospect in the country but both will probably move down south in the next few years.

Out of interest, what’s your opinion of the performance schools?

My daughter is moving into S1 after the summer, is a fairly talented keeper, and we have applied for Broughton. I think they are (quite rightly) having to open it up to more girls, there are perhaps more opportunities.

Chances of getting in are slim of course, but our daughter is quite interested to see what the standard is with regards to trials etc.

They had a zoom call last week to give parents information, quite impressive presentation, I didn’t realise our old player Joe McBride heads up the Glasgow school.

[LewysGot2]

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I know her well and coached her for a few years at Lochend. She’s still at school. She’s been at Rangers for a long time now. Maclean for me is the best young prospect in the country but both will probably move down south in the next few years.

She signed a full time contract at Ibrox in the summer and left Broughton? Was made public at the time, including an article in press. Has she gone back to school? How does that work around a full time contract?

[Danderhall Hibs]

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They put 9-0 when the score is over 9-0 not to embarrass the club.

Check Hutchie Vale results often 9-0 but many have been about 20-0.

Ahh - didn’t realise that. I thought the guy on Twitter took the scores from the app (eg usqor or teamer) and reported as they are - Hibs 14s beat Hutchie 14-0 the other week and it was posted as that.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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FFS What is the point?

Demoralising for the team on the end of it and pointless for the team winning.

[LewysGot2]

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Demoralising for the team on the end of it and pointless for the team winning.

No different to boys club football up to a certain age

[Danderhall Hibs]

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No different to boys club football up to a certain age

Yeah - I agree.

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She signed a full time contract at Ibrox in the summer and left Broughton? Was made public at the time, including an article in press. Has she gone back to school? How does that work around a full time contract?

She does distance learning most days and attends some days. Unless she’s changed that in the last few months. Shes no longer part of the performance school as that stops at 4th year. Shes got her final year of school and is bright so I’d be surprised if she’s chucked the final year. Scratch that - she is actually doing it all distance learning. They learn on site at Rangers.

[Brightside]

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Out of interest, what’s your opinion of the performance schools?

My daughter is moving into S1 after the summer, is a fairly talented keeper, and we have applied for Broughton. I think they are (quite rightly) having to open it up to more girls, there are perhaps more opportunities.

Chances of getting in are slim of course, but our daughter is quite interested to see what the standard is with regards to trials etc.

They had a zoom call last week to give parents information, quite impressive presentation, I didn’t realise our old player Joe McBride heads up the Glasgow school.

If you can get her in you should. It’s more hours of training. And quite simply the more they train the better they will get.

[GreenCastle]

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My understanding is that the Hibs under 18 NAP team has been decimated by a number of long term injuries in the last year, and players leaving.

They now have a lot of players playing up from where they should be age wise, it may stand the really talented ones in good stead long term, but it must be a bit soul destroying at the moment. For example the girl playing in goals for the under 18’s could be playing down two levels, she is a real prospect and an excellent keeper, hope she keeps her head up.

The under 16’s NAP are middle of the pack (possibly as they have players playing at under 18), yet the under 14’s are fantastic, unbeaten and clear at the top of the table.

Thanks for the info. Seems a lack of care from those in charge of the girls academy last few years means the teams are suffering just now.

I don’t see a pathway for many of the Hibs girls or keepers sadly unless they are exceptional - but if they are exceptional they will be scouted by other bigger clubs pretty quickly. Last few seasons it seems Hibs like others will keep bringing players in from England or elsewhere as they don’t have time like they used to wait for young players to improve and develop. Hibs missed the boat few years back to be where Glasgow City are, should be no excuses from the club as City aren’t even linked to a men’s set up.

It makes me laugh when people talk about the league tables in NAP. It’s a development league and it’s when clubs don’t give fair minutes to all players to win games at all costs, they are actually part of the problem stopping players get minutes to develop. The u14 league scores aren’t even meant to be posted online supposedly.